Some moronic Hobbyist snuck a video of a Kgirl, put it on the web and gave her name out too!
It's been pulled, so no need for a link.
If you've heard about this, what are your thoughts about how it might affect us?
some of the ladies I saw were nicely folding my clothes, along with any other belongings (e.g., sunglasses) I brought, and stacked them neatly on a chair or dresser top and then covered them with a towel they had.
Perhaps not surprisingly, I suspect this type of action is more likely to increase the costs to other guys (both in pecuniary fees and general access hoops) than any "over payment" by a few. I might also start creating even more a inside-outside situation where those hoping to get in will have a much greater challenge that those that are already "in the system" as it were.
BTW, when you say "gave her name out too" are you talking about her working name?
Thanks for the post, Jensen.
Yes, it's the only name I know her by.
In his post he said, here's a sample of the video I took of so & so.
I always make a show of leaving my phone with my other stuff in the entryway. When we enter the bedroom, the only thing I have on me is my clothes.
One of my regulars caught a customer with his cell phone video in-progress. She made him delete it and she ended the session. The booker no longer accepts his texts. This subject came up when I told her to be careful after reading an incident in a forum.
I had heard of another incident with one of my regulars. I didn't asked if it was true but at one of our session she asked me to put my cell phone away. So her request may have confirm the incident.
I think kgirls who provide outcall service are at a higher risk.
Thanks for the post.
I agree about outcall.
I told a couple of the girls I repeat with to be careful too.
However, I doubt he said anything to her about putting the vid up for everyone to see in a monger forum and also naming her. So that's fucked up.
I don't think there will be much of an impact because the girl consented to the video. You can't screen for someone being into filming either. About the only thing I can see is less girls agreeing to be filmed.
Ironically, I hear that the girl is getting more biz than ever because of this exposure. Good for her.
and had permission.
But that came after all the blowback started, iirc!
Even if he did have an ok, I'm pretty sure he didn't say it was going on the internet!
I also don't recall that he paid for the privilege to film, did he?
And, if he didn't pay, I doubt she would let him film.
Plus, the angles were all fucked up!
IMO, it was done sub rosa/on the sly!
Glad she's busy, but she is popular on her own!
I would be very surprised any K-Girl would be willing to allow filming, paid or not, unless it was really someone she trusted. Given all the headaches you hear about from Korea related to this type shit even outside this activity, and the difficulties it creates for the woman, I don't think any will be that trusting.
There is definitely a certain contingent of filming mongers who do ask girls for film opps for upcharge.
However, my understanding is that the girls usually ask for videos to be for private use only (obviously and understandably so) and they might even review it to see that it doesn't expose their identity.
I am not condoning what this guy did, but if he - - instead of naming the girl on a kaamp monger forum and posting the video for clout - - just chucked that video onto a video site anonymously, I bet nothing would happen.
The girls face isn't clearly visible on the vid, her body lacks any distinction and monger himself is blurred out for most part. Unless one was ever in the room and knows the girl, at least from this vid, it's near impossible to make any connection otherwise imo.
Plus the video itself is kinda wack.
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Who’s going to believe his claim that he had permission?
Certainly not someone who never believes mongers.
You’re going to believe a guy who posts a private (in your opinion consensual) video onto the internet?
Yeah, I am.
1) I saw the video
2) I saw that no one tried to dispute the consent. If there was no consent, someone from the girl/booker camp would likely protest and write so.
So yes, I'm inclined to believe the guy more than not.
On another forum people mention the booker asking around about the video to try to help take it down. Maybe he got consent to record but not to post it
Well, I think it's pretty obvious he didn't have consent to post it publicly.
Neither of those two reasons are a good basis for believing anything other than the video was actually made.
This is why I find you so annoying. In cases where truth is ambiguous you always want to assign a truth value even when not justified. The fact that no one has publicly complained is no more proof that consent was given than the fact that the video was pulled proves it was not given.
The question that was asked and I answered, was whether I would believe someone who posted a video in public.
Note that you didn't take offense to the poster who actually made that claim, even though the fact that someone posted a video publicly has nothing to do with anyone trusting that person. A person who breaches a kgirls trust, can be trusted by mongers. Those aren't mutually exclusive in any way, shape or form. I know many a monger who lie to providers, and that doesn't affect my trust in them in any way, shape or form.
So clearly you thought this logically weak argument made sense. Of course nonsense makes sense to you when it benefits the girls/org side, always very convenient.
What you did take offense to is the reasoning why I trust the person's claims.
Lets go over those claims again.
1. I saw the video. I have seen many videos of hidden filming. The video does not appear to be filmed via a hidden camera. The lightning is intact, and camera is unobstructed. The girl even tries to glance back at the camera at one point.
2. Likewise, I have seen instances when girl is filmed without consent. All hell breaks loose in public and private groups after and that person is proverbial l_ynched. No one even tried to argue the consent part in any forum or group. What they were upset about - understandably - was the public posting of the video that was supposed to be private.
Again I did not say it is the truth. I said, I'm inclined to believe the monger based on the above points. Now it's your and CKs turn to explain why we should not believe the monger. I hope you can come up with better reasons than "he posted the video publicly".
The presumption of innocence is a basic right of people in this country. And I will defend mongers rights. Always.
The difference between me and you, Jensen, is that I defend mongers and don't pretend like I defend providers. You defend providers and pretend you lre objective towards everyone.
It's kinda like, you keep asking people to name names of providers for bad sessions yet yourself could never do it even when I offered to never argue with you again if you named one.
And then have the nerve to say I don't live by the words I preach.
No, as very clearly stated that is NOT the reason I find you annoying. Deflect all you want you demonstrate the behavior daily. You have been very vocal about your bias towards your monger side of the world here. You pre commit to that bias so strongly you have no choice and so reject reasonable doubts that are raised.
I have never met a K-Girl that would be comfortable with filming. Doesn't mean none do but that it's rare. Have you had any conversations with K-Girls where they expressed any willingness to be filmed? Have you had any where they expressed a dislike/fear of it?
And yes, the fact that it was posted, apparently resulting in the booker taking actions to get the posting removed, and the general agreement that posting was some type of violation/really bad action on the guys part are reasons to step back and say "Is that a person who seems honest?"
No on here has said he absolutely did not get consent. What has been said is that assuming he did have prior consent is not justifiable given what is currently known. I would also add Badger's responses as additional argument for withholding the opinion consent was given at the time.
You have not provided any arguments as to why we should be inclined to not believe he had consent.
(Badger has, however. And it's a decent argument)
The logic of "he posted a private video publicly therefore he cannot be trusted elsewhere" is so poor, it might be the worst logic I've ever heard from you, and that's saying a lot. You would get laughed off any debate board for attempting to use this type of logic. Those things are completely independent of each other. You might as well use "he cheats on his wife so he can't be trusted". It's about the fucking same. Those things have nothing to do with each other, nothing. How many private videos are taken with consent and then put on publicly without? We even have laws for "revenge porn" made. Does this mean we can't believe none of those guys had consent m? Please, stop.
I gave you my reasons for why I believe he has had consent. They are based on my prior experiences an observations.
No, I haven't talked to kgirls about filming. If I spoke Korean, I probably would. As is, I don't want any misunderstanding to happen. A video souvenir to me isn't worth the potential headache. However, I've known many a filming aficionados over mongering days. Guys who were really into filming girls privately with and without consent. And I've seen hidden videos produced by those guys. None (and I mean NONE) of them looked as clear and unobstructed as this video. Some of these guys got caught, banned, unbanned sometimes, etc.
Just because you haven't met a kgirl who is ok with filming doesn't mean they don't exist. Iirc you said you haven't had a last minute cancellation in your mongering career. I've had 4 (FOUR) happen over last two months or so alone ( Maybe it's not me who isn't a high volume monger after all) . Sorry, not a good argument there.
As I've said, people have presumption of innocence. And we start with the supposition he is innocent, and the onus is on others to provide evidence.
I stand by my statements.
But thanks to badger who actually produced a coherent argument, I will address it there. I admit he has a point. You and CK didn't. Your argument was "monger bad".
You saw the video, right.
So, if you had permission to film would you film a video with those fucked up angles?
Wouldn't you look at it and shoot it with better angles after seeing it was as lousy as that one was?
And as I said before, I remember him saying he had the ok after people got on his case.
Maybe a day or so after it was put up, iirc.
Just my opinion and how I see it!
Badger,
Yes I saw the video. The one reupped right now is a short version and I have the "full" 13m one thanks to a monger who I'm good with. To be frank, they are hardly different. If anything, it's a boring ass video and some people over on another site start to think it was staged for girls biz (which, BTW I'm not inclined to believe - it's too clever for someone to execute imo), other girls apparently don't like the attention this girl got over the video.
You do raise a good point. The camera appears to be where clothes hanger on a door would be, it's a bit too high for a chair. However, it is well balanced.
But yes, I agree that if I were to film, I'd put the camera in a different position so as to showcase the girl and action more. While I haven't filmed an escort, I've made some home tapes with civvies and those included me holding the camera/phone so they're very different.
As you presented the argument well, I do concede that I have less inclination to believe him now. I still think it's possible that the location of camera might have been agreed upon, as I know when girls do agree many don't want face to be seen at all. But now I'm closer to 50/50 territory.
Jensen, take note how badger has done it. Were you to raise the same argument as he has, I'd have no qualms admitting you have a point.
I only saw the short clip and totally agree it's boring and, IMO, has no content to raise any sexual thoughts!
I think the short version is mostly off camera.
I thought it was a trip that some guys praised him and jacked off to it, but to each his own!
I don't think it was staged either, it would have been done better.
Yeah, I just took a couple of the points and made my opinion on if he had permission.
That's all you have to work with sometimes.
I did crack up when I put his handle and physical appearance together!
and have seen her a few times in the last few months.
I couldn't make out that it was the girl who he said was in the video.
But, that doesn't mean it's not her.