I just saw Lovely at AG and was interested in seeing if she had any/many reviews. I have noticed a decline in the level or reviewing getting done. Well, was happy to see that she has about 8 reviews for her time in the area. However, if one searches on her name and Tyson's as the location you will not find the reviews.

 
Hopefully that has not lead any to forgo seeing here -- smart enough to find the reviews anyhow -- but if anyone has hesitated just search on the name or use the link on the agency site. For those that use review searches to find potential sessions you are missing out in my opinion but read the reviews and draw you're own conclusions. I did report to TER but not sure if this is a reviewer submitting issue or a failure/weakness in the TER structures. When looking at the main search page it shows Charlotte as the current city for the last review (hours ago). When you open the link to the profile Charlotte is the main city listed, Seattle the other city. When you look at the latest review Location is Fairfax.

 
Not sure it this is something new with TER as I never noticed it before but then I'm not really been using reviews myself (or writing them) for 5 years now. Seems a bit effed though.

Maybe all year, I can’t remember.  I find myself doing a lot more digging now than before, and half the time the girl has undergone multiple name changes (seems most prevalent with Chinese-managed agencies) which.  On occasion, I’ve asked the booker if the girl has reviews when they don’t list a TER ID on their ad or say “new arrival”, and they gave them to me. But, I also found out that multiple agency sites in NYC are banned from TER. I tried to review a girl who left my area in a hurry and then I found her on a NYC website, but it was not accepted by TER.

As you sort of mentioned, this is likely preventing clients from doing business and girls from getting business.

That’s the only way I know to make sure that your review shows up in local searches.

Been so long that I've forgotten just what is available for update in a new review and what isn't. A good reminder for everyone to try to keep in mind when writing their reviews.

 
Wonder if it would make a good suggestion to have TER make this a required field and not one that auto-populates when reviewing off an existing provider profile?

Aside from location, profiles just aren't merged anymore. This means each rebrand spawns another name and people are clueless about the new girl even though she might have 100+ reviews to the old name.

 
I stopped trying to do anything as it's clear TER doesn't care about it. I've literally submitted my texts messages to TER - which was extremely risky by me - all to prove an agency has double listed the same girl and I've seen her twice under both names. And yet they still didn't merge profiles. After that I just gave the fuck up. I spent so much time and risked so much just to help out others and it didn't really result in anything helpful to customers who still would get swindled by the double listing. I achieved more going to a local forum and writing in every thread related to the girl that she was double listed as different name. Reviews are supposed to help others.  

 
Look at one of the most popular girls in the LA/bay - Maia aka Mochi aka Rose. This is the girl I've repeated the most with this year I think...and yet all those profiles are separate. Unless you're in the know or have back channels an average Joe can't keep up with this nonsense.  

 
You have Nali in socal who people say is gatekept. And yet she has 100+ reviews in nor cal under Joah. Probably would be less gatekeeping if her profiles were merged.  

 
Add in the fact that even reputable agencies are caught lying nowadays saying "new to US" when the girl had been a rebrand..and the environment for reviews couldn't be any worse imo. And that's with all the fucking shills too who are only interested in promoting and making the girls money.

Kgirls going independent and working with multiple bookers is that most bookers want to portray the illusion that they have some girls that are not available through any other booker.  Sometimes, it's a simple name change, and other times, each booker uses a different set of ad photos, which are often shopped in a way to make her look like a completely different girl than the other bookers she uses are representing.  You don't find out until you show up for the session.  This has happened to me several times, but it's part of the game, so you fuck them (since it's actually a repeat the service is usually great), and you move on.  

I’ve been able to get some merges through using the “Contact Us” tab. That said, they’ve tightened up. Your best bet is to be able reference a review that acknowledges the rebrand, i.e. “I had seen Suk Mi previously when she went under the name Won Too Fuk”. I haven’t had a merge turned down that had that kind of evidence.

Also see my previous posts on Merging Profiles:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girls-113/re-a-kgirl-named-yoko-18532
Re: A kgirl named Yoko
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http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girls-113/re-yokos-are-like-mimis-or-cocos-there-have-to-be-a-hundred-of-them-18492
Re: Yoko's are like Mimi's or Coco's there have to be a hundred of them
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When I would review the K-girls on the east coast, I would try to be helpful and begin, 'This is a review of Coco TER ID# who is the same as Coco TER ID# but who is NOT Coco TER ID#, Coco TER ID#, or Coco TER ID#. ..."  
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When an erroneous Problem Report would MISTAKENLY lead to the merging of the Profiles of two or more not-the-same Coco's, there was no getting back to the correctly separated Cocos because the Reviews were all mixed up, like a shuffled deck of cards. There was (still is?) no "undo" button.

Yet all those profiles remain unmerged.

 
And about double listing, I really didn't want to put it out publicly. But what they said is that a double listed girl can be a bait and switched girl. And all my evidence, including my text conversation with po (who neglected to tell me it's the same girl under different names) was for naught. I offered them to read reviews where you could infer the similarities, offered them links to another site which has several people state outright it's the same girl... All for naught.  

 
This means an org can have five different listings and profiles for the same girl under different names and there's no way to prove that it's actually one girl and not four girls with them bait and switching you to same girl.

It's really stupid and defeating when a seller can do this and there's nothing we can do to merge the profiles.

too a couple of times trying to merge profiles.
Another couple of times had to go back and forth a few times to finally get it done!
Makes me not want to try anymore!
When there are two profiles where the girl is using the same name is insane when they won't combine them!

than profiles that are essentially hidden from the area where the girl is working.

 
Even if you have 5 profiles for the same girl, if it's a B&S, fake photos or whatever some reviews will clearly make that known so someone can make a decisions on that basis. But if you cannot even see the reviews if you put a location criteria in for searching reviews the review is useless, be it a good or a bad review.

If one wants to do research, type the girl name, see results from all locations and go profile by profile, eventually you will stumble on the one with the same pics. The algorithm is simple and rudimentary. Kgirls travel all over us and they have many locations.  

 
And of course for YOU the merged profiles matter less. In fact you even said in the past you didn't see any problems with orgs double listing girls and POs not telling customers it's the same girl.

 
But as usual, it is only customers who lose when they get to see same girl who's double listed, maybe a girl they didn't want to see. So a priori it matters less to you. I get it.

I got 18 results total for last couple of years. Couple of those are doubles couple are indies and there's barely profiles left.

Yes, you won't see them while browsing by location, which is certainly inconvenient.

 
But to even suggest this is in the same ballpark when someone wants to find a review of a new girl who actually has 100+ reviews under another name, is kinda dishonest intellectually imo.

I won't speak for all mongers but most mongers I know operate in the following way - see a new girl ad  try to see if she's a rebrand. Search for her name or pics elsewhere.

 
Using such technique, a girl with same name but different location is easily found. If girls have different names, the task is a lot harder and not customer friendly.

[Note, just to address the subject line. NO shit I said you can find them when not using the location but the point was when you search USING location they are not going to be seen. It's really not that complicated nor something that needs to be argued about by creating a strawman.]

 
Please provide the link to where I said what you claim. I don't think I have ever said something like that in the sense you seem to want to make it. Given I don't actually use reviews much anymore (lots of reasons there) I can see me saying such double listing are not a problem for me -- given I'm not using the reviews -- but that is a far cry from claiming it's not a problem in a general sense.

 
Yes, we don't get the perfect world were all providers and agencies will place the interests of rocket or some other monger above their own. Wow, welcome to reality. Reality is often inconvenient. Like when the same name is used by multiple girls and the profiles get merged or sloppy reviewer pick the wrong profile to submit their review under and then guys need to figure that out during their research. So I'll stand by the view that having multiple profiles is not as big a deal as not finding the girls when searching for who is in some location as the few reviews under one profile for that area will likely be the current reviews and provide sufficient information for a reasonably informed choice. I suspect most people care more about current reviews and only feel a strong need for the historical reviews from other locations if they cannot find any, or a sufficient number (3? 5? 8?) of, current reviews for where they are.

 
But, you do thing the way they work for you, I'll do things the way i want and everyone can do the same. If you have no actual solutions for fixing any of this then all you're doing is whining about shit you cannot change. Learning to deal with the imperfect world is a much better solution in my view.

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TER doesnt give a shit about any of this stuff. I stopped submitting corrections after they did nothing regarding blatant double and triple profiles. They probably dont want to have to give you the free days of credit. And whats up with the dudes that create a whole new profile? Guys with a bunch of reviews do this too. Mind boggling

Huh? You literally said it in your post and now stating it again.

That you don't think multiple profiles with different names of the same girl (including multiple profiles of same girl under same name under same agency currently offering "both" of these girls) is a s big a problem as a touring girl who hasn't had her area changed.

Here's what you say  

"So I'll stand by the view that having multiple profiles is not as big a deal as not finding the girls when searching for who is in some location"  
 

Yes, this to me is intellectually dishonest.

You telling me that something that can easily be controlled by a client (like not putting a fucking location as a filter) is more problematic that something isn't controlled by a client at all?  

 
Such as same girl working under multiple names currently at one agency? Where po doesn't tell you that girl under one name is the same as girl with other name. And doesn't apologize when you press the po after seeing both girls and they end up the same girl?  

Again, intellectually dishonest to think that.  

 
And your argument is that someone will say in reviews that it's the same girl. Lmao.  

 
The rest of your post is "rocket is whining again life is imperfect blah blah deal with it".  

Why don't you take your own advice then. Oh it must be so difficult for you to not search for girls using the location filter. Poor guy. But guys who go for a different girl and end up with the same girl because lying org lists same girl as two different girls, they are alright. No big problem there huh.  

 
Guess what Jensen. When I saw this girl...none of the reviews mentioned that it's the same girl as her other name. None.  

 
To even compare the "problem" of removing location from your fucking search to the problem  

 
But yeah, I get it. The problem that you claim actually hurts the  girls biz top. The problem I'm talking about hurts the customers only. Of course you think the former is more important even if all it takes is to remove the fucking filter from a location search.  

 
I was able to find lovelys old profile under a minute by doing a rudimentary search. I wasn't able to realize one girl is the same as the other girl from reviews and ended up seeing the same fucking girl at an org. Do you think po even apologized?  

 

Sorry, the "problem" that you state is on the user side. The problem I state is not on the user side. They are not the same.

"And whats up with the dudes that create a whole new profile? Guys with a bunch of reviews do this too. Mind boggling
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Jensens post should probably explain it.

My theory is - some of these guys don't want to wait until ter changes the location but they want the girl to get visibility (for whom?)  

So they probably knowingly create a new profile of the same girl. They dont value historical information for whatever reason.

Your claim: "In fact you even said in the past you didn't see any problems with orgs double listing girls and POs not telling customers it's the same girl. "

Your quote of me supporting your claim: "So I'll stand by the view that having multiple profiles is not as big a deal as not finding the girls when searching for who is in some location"  Which was actually in a post I made AFTER you made you claim I "didn't see any problems..."  

If you're "you literally said that in your post" is referencing my comment to badger I'll repost it here:
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I'm less concerned about merged profiles

than profiles that are essentially hidden from the area where the girl is working.

 
Even if you have 5 profiles for the same girl, if it's a B&S, fake photos or whatever some reviews will clearly make that known so someone can make a decisions on that basis. But if you cannot even see the reviews if you put a location criteria in for searching reviews the review is useless, be it a good or a bad review.
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So not even close to what you're claiming I said.

Sorry rocket but that is you reading what you want to read rather than what was actually written. Live in whatever fantasy world you want but please leave me out of it.

I agree. We are not really going to do anything about TER -- that's been true a long time.

 
People CAN do something about how they post a review. Not everyone will know that the girl worked under a different name somewhere but they should at least know if there is a profile for the current name and use it. Though I would say, in situations where the existing profile is just totally off -- still shows the girl as 21-25, slim, photos accurate and whatnot but the profile was created 12 years ago and the ad is using the same photos maybe it makes some sense and would address some of the problems TER doesn't want to do much about.  You could even put that in the review (though perhaps TER would reject it at that point).  

 
But as someone on another board mentioned, seems to be a trend in people just asking for recommendation and who to see and what they do (maybe) and don't seem to even read reviews any more.  Maybe you just cannot please any of the people any of the time on TER

I didnt realize you asked me to support THAT statement.  

I can just point you to this thread -  

 
https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girls-113/what-do-we-think-of-same-girl-marketed-as-two-same-org--18079?page=37

Back then you used the "it didn't happen to me" excuse to avoid any strict judgment. Like you always do when it comes to criticism and holding sellers accountable. You hold your tongue, at least publicly. I don't. I dont pull any punches publicly or privately.  

 

And yes, saying that something that can be solved with a monger removing ONE filter from search is less of a problem that multiple profiles  rebranding and double listing, is intellectually dishonest to me. Saying "oh but someone will say it in the reviews" is either extremely naive or intellectually dishonest.  

 
And hence me making the conclusion, that the reason you think it's a bigger problem must lie in the fact that the seller also gets bit by this "problem" but in case of multiple profiles, double listing only the customer gets shafted. I have no other explanation at all.  

I refuse to think that you - a man who has some rationality and understanding of how things work in general, math wise and  benefit wise, would say this.  

 
I don't live in any fantasy world. I live in a world where I expect accountability for actions and treating customers right. Sellers who lie in order to sell products and service should be flushed down the toilet pipe.  

 

But again. It's extremely telling that you consider a problem of a customer removing one filter (location) bigger than the problem of deliberately lying to the client in r order to artificially give more business to the same girl. Very telling.

It is you who lives in fantasy world where somehow what's best for the customer intersects with what's best for the seller. In real world that doenst happen. And we hold sellers accountable for tgeir greed, manipulation and review shilling.

In your fantasy world everyone is happy and sellers should never be held accountable. I have no clue why.

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