thanks for your post. i've had a couple sti scares in the last year.
honestly, i miss the old days when cfs was the standard. i had a much better time hobbying when the community was that much safer. for me, here's a list of what's changed: 1. constant worry that i'll catch something (the psychological toll weighs on me)2. refrain from daty with girls who have been known to pse
3. increased prices/upcharges even when i don't partake in pse
4. decreased number of gfe girls on market who feel put at risk by their pse competitors
5. decreased performance by girls who pse and can usually get someone to finish in a flash for me, pse has ruined the kgirl scene so much more than the pandemic, immigration issues, price increases, etc. op, i'm really sorry you're going through this. i really wish more of ya'll would talk more openly about the shitty parts of the hobby. this post has definitely made me feel a little less alone in feeling the stress.
recently took a 10 panel and tested positive for clap. also positive for hpv which isn't part of the 10 panel. hpv was diagnosed based on warts that i didn't even know i had. doctor found them.
passed hpv to wife but luckily its not the cancer causing strain. also, i can time down the clap infection because wife tested negative for clap. i haven't had sex with wife for months (counting my blessings on this one). she just gave birth 3 months ago.
my doc saw the HPV first (facial warts) and then had me take the 10 panel. I came home and told my wife about the HPV and she went to ob and took a pap with hpv test. luckily negative on the cervical cancer. then the 10 panel results came back positive for me at which point i shit my pants and almost collapsed. wife took 10 panel also and she came back negative and i was thanking god on my knees. Never told her about the clap and i'm so glad i didn't.
i must have contracted the clap within the past 5 or 6 months or so. since during the thick of covid lockdown i didn't monger and i impregnated my wife about 16 months ago and she's negative. So i must have been negative 16 months ago. i have been in the hobby for about 8 years. the last 3 years or so have been strictly kgirl.
in that time frame i have only seen kgirls, and the possible field is about 15 kgirls.
also, i started BBFS recently. prior to covid lockdown, I never BBFS'ed. This does not mean it must have been a bbfs girl. this is not a anti bbfs rant. although..........
i am using an alias for my privacy. if doing so creates some type of doubt in your mind, thats your problem. i just felt that i needed to write this to clear my conscience.
sorry, counted based on 1 year not 9 months of pregnancy. that detail is inconsequential. but you can keep trying to poke holes if you want.
You seemed keen on putting a bunch of details in that, honestly, have little to do with getting something off your chest and clearing you conscience. Getting something like the length of human pregnancy seems pretty bad for a new father.
However, putting all the details into your post comes across as wanting to make some other point as they are ALL inconsequential to your confession and clearing your conscience. Perhaps just rambling.
But hope it worked for you and that after posting you can now look yourself in the mirror again.
Nowhere in my post did I say my wife was pregnant for 13 months. As I said in my previous response to you I was just counting backwards and making estimates. Once I determined this happened within the past 5 or 6 months, the time period further back from that didn’t matter.
Oh and by the way sorry some details, by your account, have nothing to do with the purpose of the post. I must have mistaken this for a message board where that type of thing happens now and again. I shouldn’t have thrown in a “Dodgers suck” rant in the middle of my post. Oh wait, I didn’t. So what the fuck are you talking about again?
Maybe you’re the one trying to make a point?
was okay with you seeing Kgirls while she was pregnant, or did she find out you were fucking around when you gave it to her? That seems like the worst way for a wife to find out. Is she going to keep you now that you have a child together?
this is all happening as we speak. since all she knows about is the hpv, she can't say for certain i was fucking around. although, she is definitely giving me the cold shoulder and is obviously upset. we have been researching hpv together and it seems that it is an extremely contagious infection. but the big concern is that hpv is an infection on the skin and she is trying to breast feed. so we have to now figure out what the fuck and how the fuck to do this since warts can be transmitted from our skin to the babys mouth. by the way, these warts are hard to see. you can definitely have these things and not know. i know when you google warts, you see these gross images, but there are warts that are skin colored and smooth and barely visible.
i'm sure i will have to answer some tough questions here real soon. but now the focus is on the baby. i am thanking god that she is negative on the 10 panel.
if you want to know about which girls i have seen, its too wide of a field. i have seen most of the highly rated girls but i have been seeking mainly bbfs lately due to problems nutting in the cover. if anyone wants to pm me and run a name by me i can give you a yes or a no if i have seen her or not.
in the spring of 2018 right after TER went dark in the US and SoCal agencies started openly advertising BBFS girls. I have not knowingly seen ANY girl that advertises BBFS on her menu, and if a couple slipped through on tour without my prior knowledge that there were offering BBFS indiscriminately, then I still went for the cover.
Which girls might be involved is your business, but I'm firmly against PUBLIC speculation on a subject like this that can ruin a girl's livelihood, and it seems you are using good judgment about not naming anyone until such time as you know, if ever. If you know for sure its a specific girl, then I think its okay to release her name by PM to those in our area where you have been hobbying, but only if you know FOR SURE. Going to 15 girls and telling them all they should get tested is likewise a bad idea, unless you want the health department knocking on your door. Lol
This is just one of the risks we assume when we take up this hobby. You have my sympathies because of your domestic situation. I'm single, so its different for me. Hope things work out for you.
I am a rather skeptical SOB, I admit. And the OP has absolutely no responsibility to prove anything about his post.
I completely understand the risks all of us take whether we use covers or not. I believe almost all of us do. But you never know. And you can get gonorrhea from a BBBJ which I believe most of us get in a kgirl session.
Over the years I’ve seen many posts just like this one. Most have turned out to be obviously phony (easily at least checked on many other forums simply by checking for reviews - though even that is not conclusive). But some few have appeared quite legit. Still, as has been discussed many times, it is rare to be able to prove anything you read on a monger forum.
If it’s legit, I hope the OP feels better for talking about something he can’t talk about almost any other place. If it’s just another anti-monger or like one of our more prolific trolls here, “just” anti-kgirl, post, no big deal. It’s not the first and it won’t be the last.
Honestly, it never hurts to review the risks we take. So, here’s another opportunity to do so. I do it every day. But thanks to the OP for the reminder.
I wish more of us thought about the legal, financial and safety risks a bit more often. Risks that we take and those we impose on others. Risks to ourselves and each other here in the forums and in the field, as well as to our families and the girls we see.
So, let’s all observe a moment of silence to review those risks and thank the OP, legit or not, for the opportunity.
I knew my post would be met with skepticism and backlash. it's a whore enthusiast board and a sti post is throwing cold water on things. i'm on a gambling forum and i hate it when i post about a good vegas trip with winnings and some asshole chimes in "better report your winnings to irs or else".
but due to unique circumstances where i was in a strict kgirl or abstinence bubble for about a year with the wife testing negative, it was a mathematical certainty.
the feeling i had when i found out i was positive for sti was beyond terrible. i was sure my wife had it too. so for the period of about a week while we were waiting for my wife's test result, i was in agony. then her result came back negative and i was in shock but i wasn't relieved, it was a different feeling. the guilt was still there.
in my original post i wrote that this was to clear my conscience. i'm not sure that was the best way to put that. i may be suffering from ptsd from this... but again, this isn't a anti escort rant. i will monger again. my friends and i have an annual vegas superbowl party and we are planning that out as we speak. football is the least of our priorities for the trip.
in your OP but has perhaps been semi-resolved in the thread.
You're post offered nothing of value whatsoever to anyone reading it.
1) Since you were concerned with privacy no one could look at your reviews to see if perhaps they had a session after you did but when you say you were perhaps contagious.
2) No mention of the area where you are. A bit less a matter as a lot of girls tour so pretty much everyone has some interest in knowing who you think might have been infected by you.
3) No mention of having passed the bad news on to the agency or provider.
4) Not at all clear if your post was about helping anyone here, or at least a slight mea culpa in that you may have also passed this on to other guys, or just a bit of venting and hoping for sympathy for your situation with the disease and your wife.
You're post offered nothing of value whatsoever to anyone reading it.
-- are you the content police? i'm seriously asking. do you always speak for people you don't know?
1) Since you were concerned with privacy no one could look at your reviews to see if perhaps they had a session after you did but when you say you were perhaps contagious.
-- i said pm me and i'll respond with a yes or no on the provider. this is mainly because once i started mongering again after getting vaccinated i did go on a slight binge. too many to list and also , i don't remember a lot of them. i said 15 or so kgirls but it actually might be closer to 25 maybe even 30.
2) No mention of the area where you are. A bit less a matter as a lot of girls tour so pretty much everyone has some interest in knowing who you think might have been infected by you.
-- i realized after wrote my post that the "kgirl" discussion could include a large region. so i followed up with a response to my own OP on where my general location is.
3) No mention of having passed the bad news on to the agency or provider.
-- i thought about doing this. but again, too wide of a field. there isn't an agency that i know of, that i didn't hit except for 1 - formerly Islands (don't know what they are called now). i stopped going to them a few years ago after having terrible experiences too often.
4) Not at all clear if your post was about helping anyone here, or at least a slight mea culpa in that you may have also passed this on to other guys, or just a bit of venting and hoping for sympathy for your situation with the disease and your wife.
-- i do feel bad that i passed it on. which is why i took the time to write and keep up with the thread. however, i'm not naive enough to think i can stop the spread with my post. so call this a combination of venting, safety alert, boo hoo poor me, type thing.
a question for you. do you break down every post? or was mine a special target for you? if you targeted my post one off, can you explain why? i'm not that active on the ter message boards so if you ARE the post police, can you send me a template or guideline on how to write a post thats ok with you, you know, for future reference....
but your OP had nothing useful for others. Just read the thread and see where it went.
You did eventually add some information others could used, location, but that was after two people asked. I'm not saying that is what prompted your update but clearly that was consider rather important to them, as one noted, for his own risk assessments.
You also did offer to respond via PM (thought not everyone knows how to PM an alias) but that was also two or three levels in.
If you really think I was way off in the assessment fine but I think you're being overly defensive here and will to accept your OP was pretty bad given the subject matter and how it might matter to many here.
you still haven't answered my question but that's ok. it's pretty obvious where you're coming from and really, that's ok. by the way, I responded to my own post with my location before there were any replies (that I could see). but I can't prove that so...
it's just that i'm embarrassed for you, telling me i'm defensive AS YOU ATTACK my post. you look like a clown; i say that in the most respectful way. also, i'm going to go ahead and disagree with you on your assertion that NOBODY found my post useful; going out on a limb and saying at least 1 person did.
if someone can confirm or deny that 36jensen is the official voice of TER and can speak on behalf of everyone as he has been, i'd appreciate it. thank you.
Jensen tends to do this speaking for others stuff a bit too often on here. Don't sweat it. I didn't find your post useless and we had some more good posts as a result of replies. As long as it isn't blatant advertising or completely offtopic, I personally think most posts are generally "useful".
Also, I'm sure people know if you put down a lot mpee specifics your post would be in danger of being removed.
"Querty" get away from you? Typing with your feet again?
Yeah my phone autocorrect is a Cat that walks by himself. Got a mind of its own, replacing "ore" in the word "more" with "pee". Lol.
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Sorry, I did miss the question.
In one sense yes but in another no. In you case I didn't think the post really had much in it other than some rather unclear stream of consciousness related to your closing reason for posting -- clearing your conscience. But it was not clear if that was related to your wife or people here or the providers you might have passed the infection on to or what.
What did jump out in your OP was your bit about impregnating your wife 16 months ago and having the baby 3 months ago. Clearly wrong so I asked. From there you felt I was nit-picking but in reality it kind of questions you timing. The thread took a turn into BBFS side in a subthread that got a bit into what value the post/discussion was having. That's where I thought about what I might think is the most important information to give which was not present in your OP.
And yes, I did consider that you may have posted the follow-up on location before seeing the other two rather than responding as a many posts are moderated (lightly but that means delays). That was the reason I mentioned I was not suggesting you only added that after the other's asked. I was just noting that they did in fact ask so at least 2 people that that was pretty important to have been included.
I kind of agree with Jensen, the whole post is about you and you feeling better about yourself! I just think the situation is you being selfish! I know I said that in an earlier post. Your needs come first, over your wife and child, the guys on the board and other Kgirls you might have seen!
You said where, L.A. & OC, so all you did was panic or at least worry the guys in that area, imo! I know you said PM you for info on who, but that would just be more speculation if the girl had anything! Also imo!
I'm guessing you didn't even try to narrow it down to at least a couple of girls and let them know!
Don't know who you helped, they would have to tell you, but not me and I'm guessing Jensen, by his post!
Badger, I'm not sure the post was meant to be a "helping" post per say. It was more of a "here is my story" post imo. Which is more than perfectly fine imo. Those in the area perhaps could pm him and possibly get more clues/info.
Imagine posting a "here's my story" post and in return getting "your post isn't helpful to anyone" response back.
It sounded like he and Jensen were into a non helpful & helpful post interaction and I felt I had something to say.
I could have gotten it wrong, so scratch the helping part and I still stand by my 2 cents on the other things I through in.
Thanks, Rocket.
most of the time, and I know you are like me in wanting to protect the business of the Kgirls we enjoy when we can, but I have to take exception with you saying he should reveal his review list so that others can see whether they visited ANY of the girls on his list. Have you considered that such a move is going to make lepers out of fifteen or more Kgirls when ONLY ONE is guilty of giving him the HPV? What if ONE of these girls is your ATF and she leaves town because her customers stopped coming merely because of SPECULATION that she might be the one? Would you be okay with her being on the list and potentially leaving town, and you never seeing her again? What happened to the American concept of "innocent until PROVEN guilty?"
As far as helping people, since the facts do not militate towards a complete resolution due to the high number of girls that are POTENTIALLY the guilty one, his post has still resulted in a spirited discussion about the inherent risks of this hobby. Information is power.
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Maybe I misread. But it didn't look to me as if Jensen was suggesting the OP should have revealed kgirl names. It seemed to me that he was just listing possibilities - as he often does.
Still, I’ll let him speak for himself.
I completely agree that identifying girls in this kind of situation makes no sense. The number of girls and the amount of time involved make any effort to reveal the kgirl zero completely futile. And, as you suggest, it would certainly result in more harm than good.
As I said earlier, I also think it is pointless to waste any effort trying to validate the OP’s facts. Let’s extract the only actual value available - awareness.
Whether or not the account is true, it is a fact that we all face risks when mongering.
Whether or not we are able to identify kgirl zero in any case, including this one, there will always be some number greater than zero of girls infected with something.
All we can do is consult our conscience and do our best to not be monger zero in another scenario. That means taking care of ourselves first. Just like the saying goes: when you try to point your finger at someone else you usually end up having more fingers pointing back at you.
Be safe out there.
Yes, I'm not saying anyone needs to A B and C.... Just some ways I think the original communication would have had much more relevant and valuable (actionable) information.
I am not out to protect the lady's business but I likewise am not out to hurt. I don't think this situation fully supports silence, but also am not suggesting post a list of names to the board. That said I do think that information should be made available and there are better and worse ways of doing that. I don't see "It could hurt someone's business" as a reason to keep the information buried. I DO think that HOW one makes the information available does matter given it could hurt innocent parties. But staying quite also hurts innocent parties and could also lead to significant damage to some innocent provider's business not to mention some "innocent" guy seeing some infected provider.
The value of knowing who was involved allows people to take informed actions to mitigate the increased risks they were exposed to. K-Girl 0 doesn't matter as we have Monger 0 who is known. We care about who he has been harming, or potentially harming, as well as the downstream impact to those women's customers. So doing some form of contract tracing type activities is beneficial to everyone. I think noting that such actions are a good thing, not a bad thing, might go a long way towards mitigating the guilt by association type of reaction a post like the OP can generate would also be good. It would also tend to reduce the negative impact to the lady's business.
i got the opposite from jensens responses to me. he thought he had a gotcha moment when he called out my pregnancy timeline. i'm sure he expected more people to back his "gotcha!" post and move against my OP. when that didn't happen, he then began to try and poke holes by saying my post was missing this, that, the other; basically throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks and lights some type of fire against me.
i don't think he's really interested in knowing the list of providers. in fact, had i done that, i'm sure he would have used IT against me.
he's got a different motive.
sorry jensen, this really happend. it's really happenING. i got a shot and taking a AB course (kicking my ass by the way). i'll be taking another test in 2 months to see if cleared up.
If you posted a list, your post would be gone as it's against the rules.
Now, I actually would agree a specific list is much better, because I believe in several false alarms being better than having lack of information, even if it means some girl will be unfairly blamed.
However, I don't make the rules, so clearly posting a list here would only be as good as the time this post would last here until moderated off. Most boards have such a rule,unfortunately. Pms and private group is only places you can get such info. It's a shame you have to be a private group member to know girl X gave dude clap so you can tested asap.
As far as Jensen, that's par for the course. This of course, doesn't happen if it's not a rant/complaining or a non-implicating story. I don't think I've seen him appeal to credentials, argue post usefulness, or say "this was discussed many times" if the post was positive. But if the post was negative or complain or rant or even a post like yours - oh boy.
Didn't your doc tell you that HPV can have a years-long gestation period, up to more that a decade? You don't say how long you've been married, but it may be you can say it was dormant from before you started sleeping with her.
It happened to me with a girlfriend. She got warts after I did. Neither of us knew when I had them what they were. I wasn't cheating on her, but she wouldn't believe me. Years later she called me to say "sorry," I think *I* gave you the warts after looking further into her history. She had mentioned cancer risk, but I don't remember that she was saying that was the strain she (I?) had. It's remarkable how uniformed we were, especially since her PhD was in medicine!
Anyway, the point is that you may have an out.
In my first response to CDL I say “since all she knows about is the hpv she can’t say if I was fucking around”. That’s what I meant by that. You’re right. Hpv can lay dormant in your system before manifesting externally as warts. Her ob told her that so that’s why she couldnt flat out accuse me of cheating.
Did your warts go away? Any treatment tips to pass along? I’m sitting here with duck tape on my face because that’s what google told me to do!!
any dermatologist can do that with a cryogenic spray.
Usually people pick up HPV almost as soon as they become sexually active. That's why kids of 14 are urged to get the new vaccine that early.
Mine were genital warts and they went away untreated. And it was more like one big (tall) wart, not a patch. I didn't even know what it was until later when my friend got vaginal warts and blamed me.
East or west coast? If west coast NorCal Or Socal? Not trying to out you, but rather for my own risk assessment.
Thanks for the post. Most guys are too pussyfoot or embarrassed to publicly discuss the issue.
Hopefully your example serves as a reminder to others that just because there have been no public reports of STI infections in markets where BBFS is openly advertised, doesn't mean that its prevalence is low.
Thanks for letting us know. OP. I hope everything works out. I’m negative and, to be quite frank, pretty happy I stay away from BBFS, and my hobbying has gone down since BBFS is being openly advertised these days.
I just got engaged, and I’m not trying to fuck things up.
Wishing everyone out here stays safe! Have fun all
thanks for your post. i've had a couple sti scares in the last year.
honestly, i miss the old days when cfs was the standard. i had a much better time hobbying when the community was that much safer. for me, here's a list of what's changed:
1. constant worry that i'll catch something (the psychological toll weighs on me)
2. refrain from daty with girls who have been known to pse
3. increased prices/upcharges even when i don't partake in pse
4. decreased number of gfe girls on market who feel put at risk by their pse competitors
5. decreased performance by girls who pse and can usually get someone to finish in a flash
for me, pse has ruined the kgirl scene so much more than the pandemic, immigration issues, price increases, etc.
op, i'm really sorry you're going through this. i really wish more of ya'll would talk more openly about the shitty parts of the hobby. this post has definitely made me feel a little less alone in feeling the stress.
Agreed for the most part. These forums are intended to share information enabling everyone else to make and informed decision while hobbying. At times it seems people use it as a platform to brag about paid encounters. Talking about the shittier side of the hobby only gives us more data points to process but many of us are not trying to hear that.
Tbh I couldn't imagine having to explain to a SO how I got an STD. And I couldn't imagine at all being her.
That's why I don't fuck on the side when I'm doing serious dating. Its cold turkey.
Bbfs... I used to be so antibbfs, but then I too succumbed a few times to the pleasures. At that point I'd be a hypocrite to keep harping on the antibbfs stuff and so I had to put an end to that, believe it or not lol. There are certain girls who I'd never go bbfs on (or at least if I'm fully sane and sober). It's a dangerous game. The first couple of times I did it I then went through some very nerve wrecking oraquik tests half a year later.
Sex addiction is a bitch and it can lead you to dark paths. This p4p game has led to many a broke families, bad health and so forth. It also led to a lot of stress being released that couldve otherwise ended up in a worse place. It's all relative. I'm glad I'm in the hobby and the camaraderie I have with bros, but sometimes it is scary to step back and look athr big picture. At least for me.
I agree! Never fucked around when I was either in a serious relationship or when I was married!
When there are others that depend on you, you can't be selfish about what you want over family, especially your wife &
kids!
Stress release is always good, but I believe the stress can increase 10 times and be way worse when things go wrong! STD's, getting arrested, that michen broad that boils the rabbit, too much money spent, robbed, robbed and beaten or blackmailed and I'm sure there are a few more to mention! I know these might be considered extreme by some, but they are possible in this risky business of P4P!
How do you know your wife wasn't hasn't been whoring around for years and gave you the hpv? I'd would definitely get a paternity test. You don't want to raise a kid that isn't related to you. If you divorce her you can seed Korean gals without a worry in the world.
Maury already told him it was his. Lol
In the very beginning he said he did not have sex with his wife for months and he got the clap and she was negative.
The hpv can be dormant for years and years. She could have been a street rat or just a party girl. You never know. He's being to hard on himself. Why didn't they have sex? Probably because she was getting it elsewhere.
He 's already made clear they both know that hpv can be dormant a long time. He was also pretty clear that the lack of sex was related to recently having a baby. Last, the point of his post to this board was about the clap, not hpv.
Even if you're goal is purely to point out he doesn't need to be blaming himself about the hpv you can do that without having to blame his wife or suggest anything about her fidelity. Kind of come across as having issues related to women.
Any man that has bareback sex with a Korean prostitute when he has a wife or a girlfriend is the one who doesn't respect women. I would never date a civilian if I was dating prostitutes. If you cheat on your wife and give her hpv, aids or herpes you should be locked up.
The saying, "What goes around comes around", comes to mind!
Johnnie Taylor sang it in 1969 "who's making love"!
I know there was a thread about the term love, so just roll with it and check the lyrics!
There are always those guys who are in sexless marriage.
Still, I agree that covered is always the most considerate and safe choice for anyone who has more than just one partner.
tbinsocal949 either you can't read, or you're an idiot or both. the hpv dormancy thing was all over the thread. you stated in other posts that you pay "extremely old grannies" for sex. you are single and you don't have enough game to get pussy from desperate geriatric for free? so you can't read and you're single and you pay 60 and 70 year olds for sex... please fight the urge to suicide, there is still hope for you.
reviewed your posting activity and you're the thread killer. whenever you post on a thread it officially shuts down. you did manage to get more replies on this thread than all your other posts combined so congrats on that.
well, the troll tbinsocal949 posted so thread is officially shut down.
i'll sign off with a few final things. i have finished the treatment course and my symptoms are gone. i'll be taking another test to confirm in a couple weeks. whether your into bbfs or covered, its just a good idea get tested every so often. it seems like most of these sti's are treatable. however, if you have a treatable sti and unknowingly take mild antibiotics for some other viral infection, you may make your sti harder to treat (per my dr. I AM NOT A DOCTOR). My dr. was also able to freeze off the more conspicuous warts from my face which was amazing. stay healthy mongers....