don't know about other areas, at least, in DMV kds are well known for their attitude and performance (except dirty talk/moans)
one of the DMV top 5 asked me if i could hook her up w/ a couple of top popular local kds when I go see them, all the expense on her since she'd like to watch & learn, and even join for a threesome. she is very curious how kds do differently than she does since she constantly heard about kds' great performance from other clients & found many top performance reviews about kds.about this top5 friend, from my book, she already has kds energy and attitude, and her performance has been par or even slightly topped kds sometimes. recent visit even to find out her improved bj skills, quite different than past few visits, more tongue swirling & dt. asked her about the improvement, she mentioned she went to a series of sessions at intimacy clinic/sex therapy to polish her skills so far i wasn't able to convince any kd yet, i did talk to 3 closed friend kds but all too shy to have a third person watching the action.
what you think and found about the difference in performance and attitude between our beloved kds and other girls?
First of all, what is kds? (I'm in the northeast. K Delite Service?)
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If the KMP girls are shy to be WATCHED with you (MK) by your friend (F.......MK), ask they will consider being the observer / teacher. You and friend (FM) and K-girl coach observer (FM......K). Would they be open to that? It might start out FM......K and ever progress to FMK or F.......MK.
don't know about other areas, at least, in DMV kds are well known for their attitude and performance (except dirty talk/moans)
one of the DMV top 5 asked me if i could hook her up w/ a couple of top popular local kds when I go see them, all the expense on her since she'd like to watch & learn, and even join for a threesome. she is very curious how kds do differently than she does since she constantly heard about kds' great performance from other clients & found many top performance reviews about kds.
about this top5 friend, from my book, she already has kds energy and attitude, and her performance has been par or even slightly topped kds sometimes. recent visit even to find out her improved bj skills, quite different than past few visits, more tongue swirling & dt. asked her about the improvement, she mentioned she went to a series of sessions at intimacy clinic/sex therapy to polish her skills
so far i wasn't able to convince any kd yet, i did talk to 3 closed friend kds but all too shy to have a third person watching the action.
what you think and found about the difference in performance and attitude between our beloved kds and other girls?
But I'll try to tackle it.
Many kgirls get training from the most experienced girl in their org. Orgs known for rimming, for example, usually have the top rimmer train other girls. They might even have an owner who's a retired kgirl renowned in tossing salad.
Hence why they keep being known for rimming.
If you're a very vip or as useyrhead would say, "insider" monger, you can be invited to a training session where you will be a training dummy. Here it's not about the number of visits but your closeness to orgs and doing errands for them and so on, ie them trusting you. But to me it sounds pretty bad experience... imagine inexperienced girl working you with the legend teaching. Might take many takes. But some are into that.
I may be wrong, but non-asian girls usually don't have such individual training.
Now, to the main part, which may sound crude. But Asian girls, and Koreans in particular, are troopers. They can handle volume and exceptional service above and beyond. And I'm no talking of select few girls, whichever race, who truly enjoy what they do fully. Those will have fun nonetheless.
But kdolls are able to troop through presentation of IOP moreso than other girls who aren't really into you or this work,imo.
This is why kgirls service, on the whole, blows any other group here in the US out of the water. Their dedication, resilience and discipline, as well as their ability to learn from the best, is truly remarkable.
Now, I and probably some others would argue that Angeles City and Pattaya girls can be as good, but thats an unfair and an uneven comparison. Some of those girls work to survive.
My post does have some generalizations that might offend some people, so I do say that I did l not mean to offend anyone here. Just the way I see things.
I been? I thought I was pretty knowledgeable about how Kgirls get their training, but I never heard half of this stuff. This is unbelievable.
Consider the source 🤓
Well, the sources were actually
1) "vip" or near vip mongers who were invited to such samplings... like useyrhead said sometimes just with the girl, sometimes with both student and teacher
2) such girls who themselves got trained by legend trainers. Yuna is such a legend trainer in her org and well known to me... as well as were most girls she's trained. My ATF is a Yuna disciple.
Now, it might have been all bs fed to me and I've been fooled, which certainly can be the case. In that case, I will stand corrected. But I thought it wasnt that uncommon.
just my personal experience from years ago...
was seeing this out of town blonde for years before she started her own agency, during one of the visit she asked if i was interested in a double with her and a newbie/ another blonde next time before they started offering double.
due to lack of experience, they'd like to hear feedback and suggestion after the session, it's offered to me w/o charge or whatever I'd pay.
I did take the offer and met w/ the blondes for the training session. quite a fun experience & memory!
so, inviting clients to join training session does exist!
Free of charge is crazy. Most of those training kgirl sessions are not free of charge, you get a discount of one girl fee (if it's training doubles you're expected to pay double fee) at very best, even if you run errands for the org. Or so I've heard.
understood, so i did pay the blondes their regular fee each, and followed up w/ individual appointments the next few days.
Well if THAT doesn't seal the deal.
I apologize for ever doubting you. rofl
Above you said VIP mongers were "invited" to be a training dummy. Now, out of the other side of your mouth, you are saying they have to pay. When you pay, you don't have to be invited, and it doesn't make you a VIP, you just text the booker and book the appointment. If you had stated it this way in the beginning, I would not have said that I find it unbelievable. Getting a discount for a training session has been around forever, but you made it sound like you had to be a VIP and be INVITED in order to get in on it. In fact, that's the terminology you used. That's never been the case with Kgirls. The only "freebies" I have ever heard of were "make-up" session which the org paid for when something happened that caused the customer to not get their full appointment (such as a plumber showing up who is working on the adjacent apartment and wants access through the adjoining wall), or a girl who is comping a customer or her RL boyfriend by waiving the fee. (I went to an escrow closing with a Kgirl buying a condo one time to read the documents before she signed, and she gave me two free sessions for helping her and even paid the house fee herself as a thank you after the fact.)
Ten years ago, when LA legend Pepsi started recruiting Kgirls with little or no experience, she offered doubles sessions at a 30% discount off the doubles rate in order to train the girls on the job. Anybody could book, you didn't need to be a VIP or someone special. She didn't advertise it as such, only as a discounted doubles session, but those that partook quickly realized what the real deal was. She eventually stopped marketing this way because she was getting a reputation for hiring girls that were not as qualified as what other agencies had.
Let me clarify.
If you're vip, you usually get invited or yes, you can yourself try to book a training session yourself (at least that's my info) BEFORE the general public (regular Joe's) can book her. That's the main difference. The start date on the website is for gen pop.
you saying you have heard from someone else. In a legal context, that's called "hearsay" and is not considered reliable evidence of the Facts unless it fits one of the few exceptions. I would much rather hear about your own personal experiences in regard to this. We know you, so if you are sharing personal anecdotes from YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE, it will carry a little more weight than you sharing something you "heard" from someone we don't know, who may have heard it yet from someone else that YOU don't know either. There's all kind of bullshit floating around Kgirl boards, but you can't fake personal experience. If you've been there, done that, tell us about it.
Anyone that would fall for being called a VIP if they see a "training" girl is the same guy who gets his haircut at a barber school for half price and buys his clothes at Goodwill. Someone's giving you a snowjob and you're waiting there with your shovel. How bad do you want to be a "VIP?" Lol
I'm not a vip monger nor have I ever wanted to be one. So, no, I havent been to a training session nor do I want to be during one. I don't like green service girls.
IMP is always making arguments that start off with "I have no personal experience, BUT it would appear to me" IOW He doesn't have a fucking clue and is just guessing.
Quoting third hand information isn't a lot more convincing to me.
This info was reiterated to me yesterday by two mongers I trust as much as I trust myself.
Here, you don't believe it happens in the bay? Why not ask some bay area folks? Useyrhead is quiet in this thread, and usually he gets on my case all the time. Certainly he knows of people getting invited for such training, before gen pop gets a crack at the girl.
Hell, theres a good chance he himself got invited. He wasn't a nobody.
Useyrhead already stated that some valued customers get a heads up to try new girls who just arrived at the org. THAT is not a training session, that is for feedback to the booker so he can quote your feedback to other mongers who are considering seeing the new girl with no reviews. And they are not invited for free, they pay the going rate. When you talk about "training" you have been implying its free. Its not. I agreed with him because I have been on "new girl" lists. This was not training, just checking out a new girl by getting to see her on the first day she is here. Its often not a good deal if they are new girls FOTB from Korea. They often have jet-lag from the time change for about five days. You'll get them at their best if you wait a week.
Agreed.
And this is the reason I state that all the VIP stuff is crap. The only guys I know who thought they were being offered VIP, turned out to be getting something else entirely, as I’ve already mentioned.
A few (paid) sessions with new girls before they go in rotation accompanied by the “opportunity” to do airport pickup and other things the org wants to avoid doing to minimize their exposure, time and expenses is not VIP.
I have known a couple of guys, primarily just one, who was what I would call an org insider. And I knew the senior girls that knew him. If you know about Korean culture, you know that being a senior (sunbae) is not a trivial thing to them. They keep track of everything that is going on with the juniors (hoobae).
For the one insider I had sufficient info about, I know he was able to trade favors (lots of them) for occasional sessions. He bartered for sessions this way and actually received them about once a year, according to the girls who took pity on him. They did a Korean version of drawing straws to see who would do it (I can’t remember the game they played to choose the loser). I believe we’ve already heard from Gagambler and CDL about guys who do that. This is not uncommon either.
But I can tell you the guy who loved being an insider so much talked incessantly about those bartered sessions and how awesome they were. Sheesh.
If being an insider was so awesome he wouldn’t have had to go around to the girls who liked me claiming to be my friend and asking for extra services based on that relationship. Once I found out he was doing that I went to each girl I saw and let them know the guy was not any friend of mine. He lost more than a little face over that one. And even us non-Koreans know what that means.
And that is a part of why I don’t talk much about my regulars or write a lot of reviews anymore.
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When you talk about "training" you have been implying its free.
If you think the word "invite" means "free", sounds like you're the one who has issues. Sorry, cdl.
way too slowly to keep me interested. You've already admitted you have no personal experience doing any of this stuff you're talking about, so where are we going now? I'm not going to start debating what each word means. We can just rely on common usage in the Kgirl scene. If you want it to mean something else, you should say something like, "When I say VIP, I'm referring to the dumb shits that co-sign leases for orgs", then we'll all be on the same page.
I literally used the term "insiders", which is what useyrhead was crying we should use instead of "VIP" mongers.
I'm not walking back anything. What I said is what I said.
You claimed I said something about this being free. I never said anything about this being free. Nice lying there.
Training sessions before anyone out of general public sees the girl, are fairly common here.
OK, enough of the little rocket boy’s nonsense and covering up. I try to avoid arguing with him, or even substantively responding to him, because his response is always a chase down a rabbit hole where he twists statements, takes statements out of context, and makes disingenuous excuses whenever he’s been exposed as either a fraud or an idiot. But in this case I can’t help myself.
Let’s look at the FACTS. Here’s what he said to begin this discussion:
“If you’re a VERY VIP or as useyrhead would say, ‘INSIDER’ MONGER, you can be INVITED to a training session where you will be a TRAINING DUMMY. Here it’s not about the number of visits but your closeness to orgs and doing errands for them and so on, ie them trusting you. But to me it sounds pretty bad experience . . . imagine inexperienced girl working you with the legend teaching. Might take many takes. But some are into that.” (I've added the CAPS for emphasis)
If you look closely at the original quote, nowhere does the little rocket bitch say anything about paying for the training sessions. Rather, he says directly that you’re INVITED because of “your closeness to orgs and doing errands for them and so on.” This clearly implies to any reasonable person (not to include the little rocket boy) that the TRAINING DUMMY training sessions are free on the house in exchange for the VIP’s closeness to and doing errands for the Org. Put another way, why would a VIP or INSIDER pay for what the little rocket fella acknowledges would be a "pretty bad experience" at the TRAINING SESSION?
After multiple posts by cdl, GaG, and others calling him out, he disingenuously tries to modify what he said, or what he wants us to believe he really meant to say [while admitting that he only knows what he has heard from others (i.e., hearsay, and in many instances multiple levels of hearsay)]. He keeps digging his hole deeper. It appears now that he wants the quote above to be read by us to mean:
VERY VIPs and INSIDER MONGERS are INVITED by an Org where they are trusted TO PAY for the privilege of being a TRAINING DUMMY for new or inexperienced KGirls, and that these VIPs/INSIDERS might even be asked TO PAY FOR MANY TAKES until the new or inexperienced girl learns to do the particular sex act well.
This might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, and considering many of rocket boy’s prior posts that’s really, really dumb. Nowhere does he even remotely allude to these being paid sessions. Not even close. But when he is called out for confusing an Org asking VIPs for feedback after a paid session with actual KGirl training sessions, he insists that his original post was discussing paid sessions even though the word “pay”, or any derivative thereof, does not appear in the post. It’s disingenuous bordering on dishonest. I just wish when he was so clearly wrong he would say so and stop arguing and wasting our time. Please rocket boy, stop the nonsense.
And one last thing: if that’s really how the situation exists, that VIPs and INSIDERS actually pay to be used as TRAINING DUMMIES, then I’m glad that I’m just a regular, occasional Kgirl monger.
In my experience there is quite a mix on who asks the monger to try out a new girl. It could be the new girl’s senior. Or it might be the booker.
All this stuff is really based on relationships, not VIP status. It’s all who you know, whether they like and trust you and how much they like and trust you.
For the insider mongers that are deeply involved in the org operations those requests will be materially different from those to regular mongers like you and me. The insiders are essentially earning brownie points. Actual trust is a different thing altogether. They might get a shot at the new girl. And somebody might listen to what they have to say. But their feedback will be treated based on trust in their judgement, not their insider status.
If you think about it, this makes perfect sense. What are the insiders doing? Earning brownie points to get early access and various little perks like having the privilege to use their vehicle and time to run errands. Does this necessarily give them credibility as to whether a girl will have appeal to other mongers? Well, frankly it doesn’t.
So, more often than not somebody’s trusted monger(s) will be called on to provide useful feedback.
In other words, completely inverted from what some of the believers in the mythical VIP monger status claim. It’s not the all powerful org that controls all this. It’s usually determined by a particular monger’s relationships with bookers and girls.
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I agree with you useyrhead. But our idiot colleague wasn’t talking about previews or early access. He specifically referenced training sessions with the VIPs being used as training dummies (I’m sure these VIPs will enjoy being called dummies by rocketbitch), sometimes many times until the girl learns to do “it” right. That’s very different from what you, I, cdl, GaG, and others are talking about.
I don't know how many others would agree with this, but what you describe is what I would consider to be VIP status, i.e., a priviledged relationship with either booker or k-girl. I would think having such a relationship with the owner(s) of an agency would be so rare as to be neglible compared to the former.
When I use the term VIP, I'm referring to a relationship of mutual trust and respect with the booker. As a monger, you have proven yourself as a valued customer by the way you treat the girls, your loyalty and consistency in booking , and avoiding the 7 Kgirl sins. This status is earned over time, and not something you can "buy". As Useyrhead mentioned once, the quickest way to being treated as a VIP is to book 2 hour sessions, but this is not a practical path for everyone. Two or three of those in a row with the same booker and you will start to see a difference in how your are treated. Most veterans who know they are VIP customers will tell you that when you get there with a booker, you will know it. It can mean different things for each of us, so its not something that is one-size-fits-all. For me, getting booking priority is the only VIP "perk" I'm interested in. It also applies to Kgirls you are regular with. I have had bookers tell me that certain girls told them to always accept my booking request for them, even if the booker has to move someone else. This is the only "privilege" I care about, i.e., . . . . . not having to ever hear "sorry, she's not available at that time."
You are correct that very few guys have any kind of relationship with org owners. The bookers are the gatekeepers, and they are the ones you want to be on good terms with. Kgirls come and go, but you will be dealing with the booker for the duration of your Kgirl hobby career.
Thank you! Pretty much what I was saying.
One more time,
1. I never said these sessions were free. Nor have I ever implied this. I haven't said the word "paid" , sure, and I havent said the word "free" either.
2. They are paid sessions, but a discount is often offered. As well as the hidden perk of seeing the girl earlier than most other mongers. And many people do take this opportunity.
3. Most of these sessions are by INVITE. If you don't get the invite, you only see the girl when she actually starts working,just like everyonr else. Whether this is a good deal or not a good deal, is another question. This happens and happens a good amount. I believe multiple bay area posters on this board have received such invites before.
Certainly Maui has, certainly GoldDust has, and I'm pretty sure useyrhead and maybe even twoon has.
Some of them arent event insiders per se, but they still get invited.
4. Just because these sessions sound bad to me, doesn't make them bad to others. Some other mongers view it as a way to get even closer to orgs, to sample girls earlier when they have low mileage, and maybe score a discount of some sort.
Cheers
Rocket
1. Read D.C.'s analysis of your first post. Its spot on, and you are right, you didn't say paid and you didn't say free, but an "invite" is usually not paid.
2. Why is seeing a girl a day before other mongers a perk? If she's inexperienced, its not a perk. A perk is a benefit. What is the benefit of seeing a girl before she gets into her groove?
3. D.C. covered this one, too. You keep saying "these sessions" but on this thread you have described two different kinds, i.e., training dummy sessions and feedback sessions. Which type are you referring to that you only get by an INVITE? If I'm following you correctly, guys are getting an INVITE to PAY for a substandard session and they are standing in line in the BA to get this opportunity? That makes no sense whatsoever.
4. This is where you have once again put your lack of actual knowledge and naivete on display. I can't believe anyone on this board would believe there is such a thing as a "low-mileage" Kgirl. These girls are not coming to your city from some convent. If they are coming from Korea , they have most likely worked 3-8 years in a Seoul Salon. THAT'S WHERE THESE GIRLS ARE RECRUITED FROM. If they are just coming from another US city and traveling while on their period, do you think when they hit your city that makes them "low-mileage?" So your premise is that when a touring girl hits the BA, guys want to see her on the first day because she is "still low-mileage", even though she probably saw 30 guys the week before in the last city she was in? Just how gullible are you guys, anyway? I'm embarrassed for you on this one. I don't know if there is any way to recover for you . . . . . "LOW-MILEAGE KGIRLS" . . . . Fucking hilarious. Bwahahahahaha
1.OK I'll make it more clear next time. I was getting invited to FetLife parties that had cover charges. But OK lol maybe next time I tell em since they invite me I shouldn't pay.
2. That's a great point, maybe someone like Maui can tell you. I genuinely don't know, but he likes to see. them before they start working publicly. He isn't the only one - there are some people who think they're getting a "cleaner" girl maybe. You know, like people who insist seeing a girl at the first slot of the morning.
3. Training dummy sessions are the same as feedback sessions (by your definiton)
If its one girl, and similar but slightly different when it's two girls (training doubles). The training doubles often segue into regular doubles being offered, with one of the girls the teacher and other the student.
4. I believe there are some girls who start at least the US tour in BA or LA or whatever. I don't claim to know what these girls do before they come here. I heard most worked salons as well, but the really young ones, once in early 20s, idk about that
Rocket
I've met about three girls, aged 22-23, on the EC, that I wonder whether bypassed the "room salon route". Maybe they first came here with the intention of learning English? They were fairly attractive, so I don't think that was an issue.
don't do DFK or BBBJ, so every so often you will see a girl come here who is very weak on these skills. It makes it seem like they are inexperienced even though they have been in salon work for a few years. I was a regular with girl who got a new salon-girl roommate FOTB as a 90-day wonder in WLA. My regular told me the girl cried every night after work because she hated giving BBBJ's. She went back to Korea after 6 days and never returned.
So while the vast majority of girls are recruited from salons, they can be at different levels of service. The recruiters are usually looking for a beautiful face and a smokin' body, and don't have sex with the girls before recruiting them. The fact that they are already sex workers is enough to hire them for the US market.
I, too, have thought I occasionally saw a new girl with no experience, but it usually turned out that she was a salon girl with a limited menu in Korea and did NOT go to the training academy where a lot of them learn the trade for Salon work. The fucking is usually good, but they are still learning how to french kiss and/or suck a dick properly. If they last 90 days, they will have seen enough dudes to improve their skills dramatically.
Lastly, you are correct about girls coming her on student visas who are recruited LOCALLY as Kgirls. Good of you to mention it. THESE are the girls with piss-poor skills (and they usually don't shave their quim until they have gotten a lot of negative feedback from customers. Many don't last long because they don't have the right mind-set for sex work, so the turn-over in this group is very high, comparatively speaking.
"I don't claim to know . . . . . (but) I heard . . . . ." that its called "speculation?"
..that he knows so many guys who have been blacklisted (or claims to, anyway).
They are probably mongers who foolishly took his advice and had it backfire on them somehow.
rut roh Astro, looks like the little rocket boy must still be spreading more lies, speculation and BS. DOH!
Speculation is usually not based on anything concrete and just hypothetical scenarios and guesswork.
When someone you fully trust - for example, friends and relatives - tell you something they've experienced, you can use it as incredibly useful info.
Depending on what kind of info you're getting, the degree of trust can vary.
For example, hearing about a rebrand is time-sensitive as soon she touches down a new touring place, so yes, I will use perhaps less-than-fully-trusted sources there, with a mandatory disclaimer that info might not be correct. You'll be surprised how many people appreciate such gesture. And these sources end up something like 85-90% correct,which is an incredible rate.
I get that there are some guys who love to reminisce about how great they think their life was “back in the day”. But we all know, I hope, that the past was never as full of sunshine, roses and willing girls as our reminiscences, especially of somebody else, try to tell us.
I will have to admit that the parties in the 90s and 00s (pre 2008 for everybody but Nick Cage - he made it till 2009) could get pretty wild. Those were the days, my friends. And we did think they’d never end. Well, at least some did. But they are gone. Cisco sales guys don’t routinely make 7 figures a year anymore. Their techs don’t get huge personal checks a few times a year from their sales teams to show their gratitude for closing a big deal or having a great year.
The economy has changed. The culture here in the U.S. and most places around the world has changed. We’re not gonna go back to having parties like that again.
Most of those wild stories you heard are just echoes from those times in the 90s and 00s. Even if they happened after 2009 they were far more rare, and a lot less wild than those earlier parties.
Yes, in Korea if you are in with the power elite there are still parties with willing university girls looking for someone to sponsor them into a great career. My understanding is that even those opportunities are getting fewer and farther between.
So, whaddya say we focus on the present and things that will help us enjoy things that are actually likely to happen in the times and the places where we live?
I know the guy kicking off all this is having to miss out on getting properly laid by a kgirl. By his own admission, other girls tend not to be able to cut it for him. And so he’s almost certainly looking to get far too much of his jollies from his activities on this board.
The good news is that pretty much anyone with enough determination can now get a vaccine. Had a friend fly out to CA from the east because it was easier to get an appointment here. So, I don’t see any excuse for holding back anymore. If fear of Covid is holding you back, do whatever it takes to get the shot(s) and go start having a blast with kgirls.
Nothing on here is going to be anywhere near as much fun as a few weeks of going overboard with sweet, willing kgirls. Just maybe learn how to tip the ones that are worth a repeat.
But, if there are people interested in it, maybe we should create a “Those Were the Days” thread and let people talk about what it used to be like to be a monger 1%er.
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The problem seems to be one guy. He claims to be a friend of yours. Maybe you could talk to him about spreading nonsense, hearsay, and rumors? Ask him to stick to his own personal knowledge and not what someone else has allegedly "told him". It would be much appreciated. I've tried, both in the Board and privately, but he just won't listen.
The problem is almost always that one guy. What he claims and what is true rarely coincide. But, hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I’ve had him on Ignore for weeks. Which I guess explains why he seems to think it’s OK to make fraudulent claims about me.
My advice to anyone who even considers following his advice: Follow his advice at your own risk. No one, least of all him, will accept responsibility if things go wrong.
There’s a saying I’ve heard that seems to describe him perfectly. “Frequently wrong. But always certain.”
Thanks for the heads up.
Thanks for sharing useyrhead. I've been suspicious of the little rocket boy for a while. His posts were so out of line that I thought that he was a punk kid posting from his parents' basement trying to prank us. I tried to get him to slow down by calling him out and then shaming him (as did cdl and GaG), but that didn't work. I even tried through PMs, but that didn't work either. He just kept arguing, ignoring the truth, and told me that he enjoys the arguments. So I stopped responding to his PMs.
After the things you've shared tonight both in the forum and in private messages, I'm convinced that it's much worse. It is now my opinion that he's a 100% fraud who gets his jollies pranking us about kgirls based solely on regurgitating what he sees and reads on other sites (apparently he pulled similar pranks on Neurotic Donkey before coming here), much of which like the BS he posted in this thread, he either totally misconstrues or outright lies about. And when someone calls him out he twists, misconstrues, takes things out of context, and doubles down on the original BS. It's sad that we have to deal with people like him in these forums where we gather to share information and have some laughs. He's in a class with the BPOS.
So, I like you will now put him on ignore. To my friends cdl and GaG and others, you can keep wasting your time with this idiot. I'm finished with him.
Lol at me being a "fraud" when the only thing I advocate is saying and posting truth publicly.
I'm pretty sure I usually say when info I have is not first-hand.
Ive seen hundreds of kgirls pre-covid and I hope to see hundreds more after vaccination. As for you ignoring me, it is certainly up to you.
If youre talking about me, I've never claimed useyrhead to be a friend of mine.
All I've said is that there was a great chance of him getting invited to such a training session that was discussed in this thread.
The problem I’m seeing is two fold:
1. People who weren’t directly involved heard stories about things that happened in the past. And the definition of “past” seems rather fluid. As noted in my earlier post, there was a time when money and sex (which frequently go together) flowed much more freely than it does today. And people still tell stories about those times. Sure, there are things somewhat like what occurred in the old days that are still happening. But not often. And never at the scale they once did.
2. There is a basic misunderstanding of what it takes to get “special services” from an org. In my experience, these can include flying girls in from Korea and other locations, parties (for 1 or more mongers) with selected girls, and so on. I don’t know any other way to say this. This sort of special service costs money. Usually a lot of it. If you’re worried about paying $300 for a kgirl and having money left over for a tip, you’re never going to get offered any special services. Period.
It’s not about some mythical VIP status afforded by anything other than your ability to pay and the org’s ability to trust you to do so and not involve the authorities or harm their girls.
And, no, I’m not saying I am a monger 1%er. But I have a friend or two who, irl is a a member of this group. And I’ve been to a party or two. It can be nice to be in that group, I suppose. Though I truly do not envy them.
That said, if all we’re doing is talking about what somebody thinks they heard from somebody whose account they want us to trust without the involvement of the party who was actually there, I’d say we’re wasting everyone’s time.
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Think about it.
Those who want honest, useful feedback (and maybe even a bit of training) about a girl aren’t going to be talking to that horn dog who’s just so happy to get a shot at a new girl.
They’re going to ask someone they think of as a seasoned pro who has a good enough relationship with them that they won’t pull any punches when it comes to feedback.
From there I think anybody, well, possibly with one or two exceptions, can figure this out.
Welcome to dealing with the little rocket boy. The stuff he says is beyond belief. Complete clown shit. As I've said before if we all just ignore him maybe he'll go away. One can only hope.
But just like GaG, I have a weakness for the low-hanging fruit on the boards. I don't have to work too hard. lol
I get it. And if you look up low hanging fruit in the dictionary you find a picture of the little rocket bitch.
Why don't just you state what you disagree with?
Not sure what “this stuff” is.
But kgirl training isn’t as wild as the stories make it out to be. Without any sort of VIP status, I’ve been brought in to try out a new girl a few times just to provide feedback. And, yes, I always pay. I do not accept freebies. They’re never really free. But one of those trainee sessions was not with an org. And it turned out amazingly well. An independent girl I know had taken another kgirl under her wing and promised to help her get into the business. Because I was always Chak hae (that’s the best spelling for it I know) she texted me and asked me to try out the new girl.
And I’ve known several guys who bought into the VIP con. All they got out of it was a few early sessions and the “opportunity” to run errands for the org. No thanks.
These are businesses. They don’t give away anything without getting something of at least equal value back.
not "training", its monger feedback and this quite common. When new girls come that have not been at an org previously, bookers will ask some of their most reliable and objective customers to give her a try and report back to him/her how the session went, so the booker can tell other mongers what he's hearing from early customers. I've been on the new girl evaluation list at a couple of orgs, but it has nothing to do with training. Rocket was talking about how these girls learn their trade. I think some guy told him some shit to try to impress him and it worked.
The owner of the agency will have a VIP client, often an IRL friend "break in" the new girls, and of course write the first review which is ALWAYS glowing.
And yes, many of these same agencies, among others, will also do as you mention, invite some known mongers to try out some of the more inexperienced girls in order to get feedback that they know won't result in the new girl getting slammed in a review effectively ending her career before it even gets started. Of course these are PAID sessions, the guys know they are taking a chance that the service might not be what they hoped for like all TOFTT sessions, but unlike other TOFTT sessions they can trust the agency to tell them the truth about the girls looks.
As for the "extensive" training the K-Girls supposedly get, any such training as described in this thread is most likely going to be given long before the mostly middle aged K-Girls that we get here in the US ever get on a plane to come here. I think I detect the odor of bullshit, don't you?
There are some younger kgirls, and they are usually ones who are exceptionally green to start with,even with initial training. I usually try to avoid them because I get bored.
There are also older, but not quite middle aged kgirls who are clearly new to the game, who also have little to no skills and need to be taught the basics to meet the base requirements of kgirl service.
And like Klientdmv mentioned, training doubles exist.
But maybe the few guys who told me that they were doing training sessions were full of shit idk. I trust them on that count tho.
I have dated several AMP girls over the years and they have described something "similar" to what you are talking about.
Keep in mind that most orgs have several girls working and the girls talk among themselves, compare notes, and the older girls almost always help to train the younger girls. This of course is not unique to K-orgs.
Storefront amps have different training routines as far as I know. I was fairly close with some MMS ( and yes, those MMS didn't lie and always sent real pics if they sent pics) and the training sessions were always in-house. And I mean, in-house. Usually with male owners of the business or papasans.
Also, regrettably, a lot l of amp training, as opposed to aamp training, is about how to get the customer to cum as soon a possible so they can get to the next guy.