I used this phrase as more of a colloquialism, and not in a literal sense. It's just like walking into a Mercedes dealer and expecting a certain level of product and service. So I found a scratch on a car I was looking at, and the espresso they served me wasn't as acidic as I like, so am I going to bash them with a negative review, especially if I was their very first customer?
Your comments regarding "just like any other k-girl" is exactly what I'm talking about. The next guy might just think she's a gem, so who am I to deny him of that experience?Last couple of times with this agency has been a miss for me. Of course, not actual pics, and reviews were over-inflated. Any real feedback on ila? (just in case you've seen her and haven't posted a review for one reason or another). It seems like there are some girls that have been around for awhile with no reviews, and when I finally see them for myself- toftt, I can see why. I find that I don't leave a review if the girl is not as advertised. I know this means that the next guy will feel like he has to toftt also, but I don't want to spoil it for the girl either. Is this a chivalry thing or what? Anyways, maybe this forum will give a bit more accurate recon.
http://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/ila
"next guy will feel like he has to toftt also, but I don't want to spoil it for the girl
Where is that going? If the K-girl was worth seeing then sharing that information is good for the girl. If not then it's not quite that the next guy is not really TOFTT.
I get that you might worry about BL from the agency or the girl you reviewed but if they are doing that bad, who cares. Alternatively, if you actually felt you got your money's worth, why not write the review and just let people know what to expect? That's not doing anyone any harm.
You missed my point. I said that "when the girl is not at advertised...." I hate to be the first review for the girl. If she was good, then by all means, I would share. I've already done that for a few Gems. It is obvious that I am not the only one that does this- hence the lack of any review for some providers that's been here awhile...
I think the "not [as] advertised" covers a lot of ground and that was what I was really questioning.
I'm certainly all for telling others about the good experiences that you think they will also greatly enjoy. In the end, that is what everyone if looking for in my view. No one is here not to spend their money, they just want to spend it well.
So how wide is your not as advertised band between okay time, not a waste of money but nothing to "write home about" and so far from reality that very few will like it? I get that writing a review that basically says, your getting pretty much what you expected if you were TOFTT might be more trouble than its worth. But I think depending on where in the spectrum between an average/okay experience to a waste of my money experience not writing the review will have implications for both side.
So I was curious about where you might be drawing the line with regards to writing a review when it's not going to be a strong recommendation to see the provider.
When I was reviewing I was a bit like you describe but I would (though only needed to do so once) write reviews if I thought others would find they were not getting what they should be expecting from the provider -- the degree of "not as advertised" was too far from what someone should expect in advertising. But if all I was going to do is write "just like any other K-girl you might see at this agency" (which would be 7/7 for me) I might not write that review and certainly not write if if there were already 5 or so reviews published. But if there were no reviews I was more likely to write one for two reasons.
"just like any other k-girl" is a very YEMV situation and while I thought it was okay but not a memorable session some others will likely have a better experience than me. But no reviews and TOFTT cases are considered high risk by most so mongers often avoid those situations. And, no reviews when the girls been around for a little while are generally pretty bad warning flags (or used to be). So not posting a review in such cases seems to be unhelpful to both sides here. I say that as an observation of outcome, not as some judgement that you are doing harm or something like that. I stopped writing reviews so making that type of charge would be absurd for me to do.
So to recap as the long-winded comment might not be well written. I was not too different than you I think in terms of my approach to review writing. But the decision not to write a first review, under the conditions you describe, seems ambiguous to me. Why the reluctance, if that is the right description, in writing a first review if you cannot write a very positive review? Seems like you're saying it's not due to some fear of being BLed by the agency/booker/k-girl but something else. Also, does that hold if you think "not as advertised" was in the area of "completely misleading and no one will think that ad was even remotely representative" of who you will be meeting?
I used this phrase as more of a colloquialism, and not in a literal sense. It's just like walking into a Mercedes dealer and expecting a certain level of product and service. So I found a scratch on a car I was looking at, and the espresso they served me wasn't as acidic as I like, so am I going to bash them with a negative review, especially if I was their very first customer?
Your comments regarding "just like any other k-girl" is exactly what I'm talking about. The next guy might just think she's a gem, so who am I to deny him of that experience?
It's kinda like the halting problem in computability theory.
Its impossible to design a reliable algorithm that would distinguish between no reviews meaning the girl is an underwhelming experience and girl who just doesn't get many reviews, just from the fact there are no reviews.
That just might be why you aren't seeing reviews, because there are other guys like you not wanting to hurt the girl's business.
What is this attitude, I got fucked, so it's cool for the next guy too!
Maybe a little harsh here, but FUCK THAT!
You should give a review, good, bad, or indifferent!
A first review, middle or the last one, especially if the looks and service were not good!
You don't like to TOFTT, but it's ok for the next guy?
So, are you the kind of guy that strikes gold and won't write a review to try to keep a Gem hidden?
PS
CHIVALRY, WTF!
Your last analogy of striking gold is completely opposite of what I'm talking about. In fact I did once find that Gem and shared it (Nana)... http://www.theeroticreview.com/account_manager/viewReview.asp?ID=1898301
"I got fucked, so it's cool for the next guy?" Come on, it's not like I stepped in dog shit. Yea, I got fucked, literally, and so will the next guy, and he may even enjoy it. I've seen plenty of girls' reviews where guys are giving 9's and 10's for both looks and performance, where I wouldn't go above a 6 or 7. So what I'm saying is that if I'm the first reviewer, and it's not above average, then these other chums would have lost out. So who am I to deny them and the girl of this opportunity?
By the way, iLa is a keeper... Not a Gem, but nowhere near dog shit. Hopefully, I can get around to writing her first of many reviews...
That link looks like it goes to your private version of the review or something - not the "account_manager" part of the link.
Agree 100% Badger. IMO it's 100 times more important to write a review, even if it's the girl's first review, when (1) the girl is not accurately depicted in the photos, (2) the attitude is bad, and/or (3) the service is meh, below average, poor, or a rob/ripoff. Most guys I know read reviews to avoid fakes, robs, ripoffs and bad service. So any time I experience any of these I always write a review to warn other gents. If the pics are real or a fair depiction, and the service is average, and the girl has plenty of reviews then sometimes I won't take the time to write a concurring opinion. And if the girl is a rockstar, I always review so other gents know to go see her.
If you want to get technical, your reluctance to write a review when they are "average" also then is a disservice to the community. Based on statistical modeling, the more "average" the average review is, it would show how "average" the girl really is, instead of being weighted with fake high reviews.
That's called choosing the wrong side: some chick who's a bad provider over us mongers. I can't blame you when I see some of what this site, in particular, does regarding bad reviews.
What really galls me though is seeing another WC price with bbfs that is 25% less than we're paying.😠 On the other hand, it may be the case that her price is too high, and that she's the type of girl I can see w bbfs for 260 any day of the week. The difference being that we don't see an ad for "Ila," instead we see your normal emoji plastered, bright print colors ad with stupid promises... "new 69."
Inability to write a bad or mediocre review does exactly what you said.
We're on a review site, not "make escorts feel good and protect their feelings " site. The sole purpose of this site to mongers is to provide truthful info about experiences, and rate them accordingly.
Purposefully not writing a mediocre review simply to protect a girls biz is a disservice to the monger community.
Ironically, he has still communicated that Ila was mediocre, just did it in a post here instead of a review. So what's the difference here? Well, the difference is that dozens of more people would see the review than this post, and it would be
much easier to access this information about his experience.
So in conclusion, he deliberately withheld rating of Ila just to protect her biz, knowing well he can and likely will fuck over mongers in the process.
Review of iLA submitted, but just going through the meticulous approval process, so there. STFU.
Since I don't think anyone actually told you anything about the girl in this thread, did you TOFTT and see her between yesterday and today?
Also, just curious, was the experience one where you would perhaps not have written the first review (or any review) or is this one of the cases where you would definitely have written a review to let others know they should see her in your opinion?
Yep, I TOFTT once again, and wrote a review this time because I felt that she shouldn't be passed over due to no reviews. Like I said, I never have a problem writing reviews when they are good, but just on the fence for being the 1st. Like CDL mentions below, it comes with a lot of responsibility.
I did misread your assessment of Ila, my bad.
The rest of my point stands though..
Also don't you think its ironic that you asked about info for a girl with lack of reviews while admitting you don't write initial reviews yourself if the session was not good or as advertised?
And btw that Nana link isn't visible. Did you happen to write the review on your alias account instead? Because it looks like this current account of yours has zero reviews.
That was my whole dilemma with the "no review" situation. I know that I was perpetuating that issue; I even admitted as such. I thought that in this forum, there might have been that 1 or 2 in that group and could gleam some light her.
BTW, here's the correct Nana link (under an alias):
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/detail/nana-review-by-casinova-1898301
If you don't want your alias to be known, you should remove that link while you can still edit the post!
I just feel like by writing first review of the girl, no matter whether they are good or bad, you help out the community. So as there is no ambiguity. I do like to see my brothers' keepers and not girls' keepers 
Happy 4th!
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You misread the OP, though admittedly it was poorly framed. He had not seen iLa but was asking if anyone else did. But you flat out claimed he was intentionally holding back information about iLa as a bad provider so as to not harm her business.
I think you own an apology not just and "Oh, my bad." response.
I didn't misread his op as he was asking for info and that was tough to misinterpret.
I didn't like the "I find that I don't leave a review if the girl is not as advertised" part and I criticized it.
What I did misread was the part where he has seen Ila afterwards, and it was a pretty bad misread on my part I agree. I even remember asking myself how is mediocre sesh a keeper. So yeah that was just a horribly bad misread on my part.
And I do apologize for that. I have no issues admitting my fuck ups. That was one of them.
Happy holidays
After re-reading my own OP, I could see how it could be misinterpreted. There are so many nuances to the English language, or any language for that matter. We shouldn't get hung up on semantics.
As for not leaving a review, I look at it this way... It's my prerogative since I'm the one paying for the high risk. Guys that won't see girls without reviews won't be hurt anyways because after my review-less visit, she would still not have any reviews. On the other hand, when I do find a Gem or semi-gem, you're the beneficiary of my risk-taking adventure.
I don't disagree with any of what you said (for once), except for one biggie: The sole purpose of this site is to make money, not to help mongers.
Way too many guys forget that when they consider defending its practices. Message to all: They're not here for *us.* When a decision has to be made, they look at the bottom line... and that ain't us.
Not talking about its origins, which were probably some version of a whorny 300 lb guy on his bed in his mother's basement furiously pecking at his laptop to produce code that he hopes will give him and other mongers a place to vent... and praise. But in this world where everybody tries to dish out equal parts praise and criticism, we lose because it's usually the criticisms that protect others from potential losses and praises are helpful, but do not in themselves protect.
Sure it's monetized, but TER is a pretty good site compared to many. TER doesn't run ads and they offer free access in exchange for reviews.
I'd say if we didn't need reviews we wouldn't come on here. Sure, it may be treated as a community site and all, but community does stem from something. And that something is a collection of reviews to feed information about providers. If every single provider was a great and wholesome experience with zero qualms , most of us wouldn't have a need for this site. I say most of us because some apparently think their purpose is to advertise the provider so she gets more biz. Go figure.
I also don't understand the need to create some potentially repulsive image of a monger. I've never met as many consumers in a hobby who put down other fellow consumers in order to prop up the product. Not saying you just did it or anything, but geeze. What's the obsession with fellow mongers looks? I don't have a problem with any fellow mongers no matter how they look how much they weigh and all that. And no I'm not fat so it's not a solidarity thing, I just don't get it. It's often used as a tool to gather up sympathy for the providers and by golly I will never understand this.
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You meant that *and* you also said it. Damn, I hate spending time on replying to something I misread. Never mind on that one.
Otherwise, no, you are correct, I don't do anything to artificially prop up the product. Quite the contrary. However, I have learned that I have to bend pretty far sometimes to stay within the UNwritten rules. I believe criticism is more important than praise, though the importance of praise is hard to overstate even within the most harshly critical reviews. An honest critique almost always includes some positive characteristics that exist.
I'm tempted to say more, but I'm not into discovering this was a good time to bend like a supplicant, not vent about our overlords.🫥
You have the unique opportunity over all who follow you to CREATE HER PROFILE. If she is "not as represented," this is how you fix it for your fellow mongers. Two of the choices for photos are "photoshopped" and "not the same girl." That's a good place to start. There are enough details in creating the profile for you to correct any advertising discrepancies in her presentation after you have seen her.
Knowing that you are going to be the first reviewer, it's incumbent on you to take notice while you are there on how you will answer the drop-downs when setting up her profile. I do this every time I see a girl with no reviews. Oftentimes, another reviewer puts up a profile before I do, but as the second or third reviewer, in the narrative of my review, I will correct anything I think the first reviewer got wrong in creating the profile (most often, age, cup size, and/or menu).
