Hazen guy (or gal) raised some very disturbing issue. He claimed to have helped one girl, and couldn’t get to another soon enough to prevent a suicide. He further accused all guys as sex predators.  
My few questions related to all this:  
Q1: Is there evidence of massive trafficking of Kgirls? I’m sure there are isolated cases, as seen on the news (MSNBC, Seattle Times, etc.) and this applies to all races. But if it is as pervasive among Kgirls as Hazen claims, it’s most disturbing. We may be unwittingly contributing to trafficking.
Q2: Because trafficking is viewed with such loathe, sometimes all it took was one case to trigger many arrests, such as the case in Seattle. Should people worry in LA & SF Bay?  
Q3: Hazen claims to be targeting the two bldgs at  MW 5*** & SM 2***. Should people avoid those bldgs for now?  
Q4: I assume the MILF who have been around for years are presumably not trafficked victims, at least not now, because they work short schedule & can freely email & text us. Perhaps they’re the safe bets for now? I’m leaning to that MO.

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My question to anyone who really believes that all, most, or even any more than a statistically irrelevant number of "K-Girls" are here against their will is "why do they fight so hard to get here and then again fight so hard to return?"

"Forcing" Korean women to come to this country to work is like "forcing" an American factory worker to accept a "hard job" that pays $75 hour. There is simply no need to do so. Korean women not only are not coerced to come here, but actually have to compete to get the best paying gigs. How often do you see a fat, ugly K-Girl? You don't, and you can bet your ass there are marginal looking Korean women doing everything in their power to measure up in order to come here to earn.  

Now I suppose that little piss ant will be blowing up my inbox  AGAIN. and I don't even live in CA. I only have one thing to say to that little scum sucker. Fuck off and STFU

Damn, that was two things, wasn't it? My bad. lol

Lastly, I know it's easy to buy into the media hype about human trafficking, but just put a bit of real thought into it and you will realize just how little sense the MSM version of trafficking actually makes.

...will say it anyway.  There was a K-girl bust in L.A. three years ago.  There was no evidence of trafficking but the investing POS cop (a Korean) said of the ringleader: “She forced prostitutes to accept an average of five to six customers per day.”  Who knows, the way that cop talks, he could be Hazen.

Although I agree Hazen is full of it, its the "ATTENTION" he's drawing to the Hobby that I have a problem with.

and I will show you a VERY unhappy K-girl.

If you ever get to know any of these girls REALLY well and you ask them how they are, don't be surprised to get an answer like "Things are very slow, business no good, only 3-4 customers a day"

I wouldn't give full credit to the "lying cops" either, the MSM deserves at least partial credit for promulgating these lies too. "After all, the headline "consenting adults arrested and charged with having consensual sex for pay" It just doesn't have the same ring as "human traffickers arrested and victims barely of age rescued"

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Well I've never talked numbers with them but agreed on a few occasions it was clear it was slow and they were not happy about sitting around losing money (maybe a different city would have been better as most are touring girls).

And of course I'll suggest they remember me as I was one of the clients there when others had forgotten them. They laugh -- probably at me but if it cheers them up I'm all about the smiles

Maybe someone should point out that after the bust in Seattle and undoing of The League a lot of the local working girls protested the claims being made about both the work and the review sites.

I don't pay attention to Hazen or the website -- maybe they have some cause driven by a personal involvement or maybe they are clueless moralist that have decided to do good. Doesn't really matter, the road to hell is paved with good intentions -- I suppose the road paved with bad intentions presumes one is already there but symmetry suggests that has only one place to lead...

that a little over a week ago I saw a former LA girl that I was a regular with in 2014 that has been touring.  She told me that Kgirls know if they are busted (she has been) they should agree with the police that they were forced to work and they will be treated like victims and let go.  The police get to say they busted a slaver operation, the media gets a story, the owners get arrested, and the touring Kgirls go on the next city and lay low for awhile.  This fraud between the police and the media perpetuates the myth that slavery is rampant.

As an aside, while I was chastising her for being gone a year, she said the wait to get a spot in LA for a three weeks is about three to four months, so that is why she came to OC instead, where she only waited one month for a spot to open up.  Kgirls are literally fighting each other for a chance to work in LA and the waiting list to get an incall spot here is four months!  That doesn't sound like slavery to me.  

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CDL made a good point that it'd make sense for a Kgirl to enter plea bargain as trafficked victim, when caught.  
You know, CDL is well known in the trafficking business, of a different kind.  


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I whine too much about the drive to see the girls in LA?

Sure theres few asshole owners that yell and bitch at the girls but the girl can quit if she wants.  No one holds their passports.

As for amps and outcall agencies, i have no clue.  As they are sketchy operations.

He stalked her and was BL. Then he wrote all kinds of crazy "news" on AF.

Are we talking about Turnitupforwhat?

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Just what makes a K-Girl incall agency less sketchy than other forms of prostitution.

Your statement reminds me of how the courtesans look down on the escorts who in turn look down on the BP girls who in turn look down on the SW's.  

Why don't you just say that you have no clue because you don't frequent those agencies, without the judgmental editorial?

As for AMPS. like everyone else here my experiences are purely anecdotal, but my sample size is large having been around AMPs for several decades and having dated more than a couple of AMP girls over the years, I would estimate I have met several hundred AMP girls, both in and out of their work environment and I have NEVER met one that I had even the slightest sense was doing this against her will.

Quite frankly, the only time I got a bad feeling about girls being trafficked was in an "Asian only" place, where no non Asian clients were allowed. It had a very odd vibe to it and I only went the one time, something just felt off. But this is NOT a place that many TER members would ever find themselves in.  

BTW not likely ones job is a far cry from being trafficked. I did meet a couple of very young Asian girls who really didn't know what they were signing up for, they were told what they were going to be doing, but I suppose they talked themselves into being able to handle it, only to find out they were miserable once they got here, both of them simply went home. No one FORCED them to stay, and YES I know they actually went home as they were both in contact with my GF who kept in contact with them even after they got home. I know human trafficking is a juicy story that the media loves to keep spinning, but after decades of being around this, I just don't see it.

Who obviously has no clue about quality but only quantity.

And who apparently makes a judgmental editorial about trafficked asian chicks and tells me my stmt is judgemtal.

Ok..can someone say cuckoo!

It's about 2 or 3 yr ago.