add more details once they get called out. I don't know why posters don't give us the full picture at the top, and the responses would be better. We all want to give the best advice we can and that's pretty hard to do when we initially only get half the story.
Now that there has been a little more disclosure, this sounds more like a SB arrangement than a marriage because he failed to mention the green card aspect in the original post. The only question I would still have is if he's naïve enough to think she's still going to come home to him every night after she gets the green card.
Dated one of the top rated/popular younger KGirls in bay area from 2017. She worked for about 3 months total then quit and we have been together since. Overall happy in general but having been addicted to KGirls for 3 years before that, sometimes I get really bad cravings and end up browsing these forums and fantasizing about that life again. In general I do miss talking in the community with like minded people. Also never imagined myself in this situation before and had never considered dating a KGirl before meeting my current SO. I am also still younger than 30.
Anyone have advice or questions on how it ended up happening or how its going now?
the body of the post says she's his SO. Liars can never keep their stories straight, in this case even in the same thread, lol.
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SO means significant other which includes spouse. I don't have any reason to lie about it and would not get anything out of that either.
"S.O. -
Abbreviation for "Significant Other". The gender-neutral way to refer to someone's boy/girlfriend.
per The Grammar Nazi @ urbandictionary.com" The woman to whom you are married is Always referred to as your wife/spouse/or even better half, but Never your SO, unless you are trying hide that you are married & therefore somewhat 'more available'
I guess it's not in line with the formal definition, but I understand SO as including a spouse.
We technically still call each other bf/gf since the marriage was to help with green card/visa issues. She's now here with a green card since 1.5 years ago. Although I have met her family and her mine. Have a prenup signed as well for financial safety.
It is quick but having been with a lot of kgirls off the clock, I could tell she was different
While I really want to believe you guys have found each other and all that stuff, it sounds to me more like she used you and marriage to get a green card. Which is a fairly common thing for working girls here.
I sincerely hope I'm mistaken though.
PMed you more details for clarity since I don't want to post too many public details on forum.
Sounds like a nice arrangement to me. She got a green card. He got a pre-nup and at home sex with a lady he likes. Probably about the same financial commitment. But now he’s hit the tough issue: monogomy or variety.
add more details once they get called out. I don't know why posters don't give us the full picture at the top, and the responses would be better. We all want to give the best advice we can and that's pretty hard to do when we initially only get half the story.
Now that there has been a little more disclosure, this sounds more like a SB arrangement than a marriage because he failed to mention the green card aspect in the original post. The only question I would still have is if he's naïve enough to think she's still going to come home to him every night after she gets the green card.
Kgirls off the clock --- can you explain to me how you did this? I'd love to do it.
Thanks
Years back, I was offered decent money, more than once, to marry an immigrant (K and Cs). I declined each time. It was my understanding that the American guy bears all responsibility for the Asian gal, even if they divorce. Even if she gets a green card. Even if she becomes a citizen. If she ever goes on dole, the government can go after the guy to recover those payments.
We technically still call each other bf/gf since the marriage was to help with green card/visa issues. She's now here with a green card since 1.5 years ago. Although I have met her family and her mine. Have a prenup signed as well for financial safety.
It is quick but having been with a lot of kgirls off the clock, I could tell she was different
Certainly there is no way the government could hold you responsible for another citizen who used a public support program they are legally entitled to access. Nor can they require a couple stay married forever just because one started out as an immigrant.
Those obligations do have time limits.
However, the financial risks are probably less a problem than the criminal ones if it were established you took payment to marry to get her into the country. Depending on what happened after she got here you could be exposed to human trafficking charges.
if the marriage is a sham in order to score a green card. Its a felony. The immigrant gets deported and American goes to prison.
Absdq2 - after she received her green card 1.5 years ago - did things change up for you the last 1.5 years after getting it? Maybe you’re like a young Richard Gere and living a real ”Pretty Woman” life.
are you really telling the truth!
Cause I think otherwise
what have you done to yourself man!!!!
first question though, just because you married her why can't you still bang other chicks? or you against adultrey?
anyway besides the first question here are some crap you just put yourself in:
-once in the indusrty the girl never really leaves it. one day your picking up milk. and next day she asks you to pick her friends at the airport. co sign a car, co sign a lease, put up shower pole, then bam you realize you've become a pimp!!! then if you ever got arrested you might kill yourself! cause i don't know about you but if my friends, family, or employer found out i got arrested for banging hookers my life would be over.
-they are mentally damaged. making a decision to spread your legs for living screws them up. so they will freak out more then a civie chick!!! and later if you ever want to get a divorce. she will fight it. and if the judge finds out your marriage was a fraud. you will goto jail. its a felony!!!!
-and they stay friends with their customers!!! ive had fights with some of exes cause they met some of their ex clients for dinner withouth telling me. why would you want to meet bunch of dudes that you used to suck their cum into your mouth and jack hammering cowgirling them when im at home watching tv??? does make any sense??
if not to late. dump her ass. its one thing if your a over 50 geezer who will no doubt be their dream come true to have a young hottie married to them giving them black hole suction bbbj and bbfs all the time. and its another if your a 20 something with thousands of pussy banging to go!!!!!!! save yourself!!!!!!!!!
Well we live together and I would never do that. I'm not putting my name on anything and it is a dealbreaker if she wants to get back in the industry even as a pimp. Her previous pimp was also a former working girl whose current husband put his name down on like 3 or 4 rooms in the bay area. We laugh about him whenever he comes up and I feel bad about that situation but it's something I wouldn't put myself in.
I never thought about how she would react if I wanted a divorce but I don't think she would be that vindictive to try to put me in jail or damage my reputation when we have enjoyed our time together.
That sounds like a great reason to call them exes. That is a dealbreaker for me obviously and something I haven't really been worried about at all. For the first two years we lived together, she was not able to drive and rarely went out except for day time classes for English. She made a group of female friends there at school that we will hang out with sometimes or grab food. When she quit, we changed her phone number and got a new phone so we could be on a family plan which means old texts and her burner KKT were also gone. Either way cheating is something that all girls have the potential to do so I'm not going to worry about it or try to prevent it. If it happens then I'll find someone else and if not then it's a waste of energy to think about it.
cause no way a horny 20year old wound be this calm and level headed like you seem to be!
when i was your age no way in hell i chain myself up with the same pussy for years to come! i be cheating or banging as many different pussies as possible. hahaha
this GF of yours just seems to good to be true. as you can tell by all the other bros calling you a sucker. but i can also believe your GF could be legit. one of my kho exes was the nicest and sweetest girl ive ever met in both the hooker and civie world. life just gotten in the way for her and she became a ho. she deserved way better in life and a person in me. i was just too horny and wanted to bang other chicks and was a dick cause i could never accept her cause she is a hooker....just looked down on her i guess. ended up just dumping her. total asshole move of the year. i know that.
so i can believe your relationship. as for whats going to happen or what other bros say to you. just ignore it and them you guys do your own thing. no one knows someone else's future. one man's relationship shit is another man's gold. good luck man!
Such great advice! Please listen to him! I’ve had some off the clock relationships and it always reminds me—“the hour fantasy is so much better! Real life gets in the way..”
Hey, so not sure I'm ready to marry a Kgirl, but OTC time with Kgirls sounds like something I'd love to try...
Any info on how you guys accomplished this in the past? Any tips?
thanks guys.
I'd imagine it would start with seeing her regularly so as to build your relationship, which would be difficult in the NE as providers usually stay for 2 week stretches.
speculation on your part, which is in line with common sense, but not altogether accurate unless you want to be a "mark" for a Kgirl hustle like our OP here.
as I said in my post below, the touring girls are often stuck in the incall location all by themselves or with only their roommate to keep them company and would love to be wined and dined a bit with a guy they like.
Now there is one snag that you might not be able to circumnavigate and that is the "no dating customers" rule that some agencies have. Of course sometimes that excuse is used when it's just you that she doesn't want to go out with, it makes for a very handy excuse, but oftentimes it is true that it's against the rules. I have actually dated a couple of AMP girls who had to sneak out to go out with me. You KNOW they are telling the truth when they say it's against the rules but they go out with you anyhow. lol
Storefront Amp girls are really easy to go otc, at least from my experience. And if you're cool with MMS and they're not facing large volumes, it's like taking an extended test drive. The amp girls aren't as good of troopers as kgirls...especially those who room in the amps. I aways feel bad for those girls tho.
but she spent almost every weeknight at the spa. Like many AMP girls she worked very long hours, first appointment was almost always 7 AM and she worked until they closed at 10PM, Staying at the spa gained her an extra hour's worth of sleep each night. Saturday night she would try to get off a little bit early, around 9 PM and they didn't open until 10 AM on Sunday so we could enjoy the night together at her place.
That said, there are a lot of AMP girls who live at the spa out of necessity and not by choice. Many of these girls consider their time here kind of a form of indentured servitude and at the end of their time here they have saved virtually every penny that they have made and have banked enough to start a brand new life back at home. Except for the fucking and sucking it's not that different than Americans who go to work in some Middle Eastern shithole for a year, but at a salary five times what they could make back here at home.
I think it's a pretty big "except".
On other hand, amp girls handle nowhere the volume of popular kgirls,and generally they handle an older clientele and endure less wear and tear.
I've had both sides tell me that they're going crazy confined to the amp/apartment. It's a grueling ass job.
I know some AMP girls see close to ten different clients on a typical day, while others are lucky to see 3-4. I have heard many K-Girls complain when they are "only" seeing 5-6 clients a day.
And is fucking and sucking all day, REALLY that different from working 12 hour shifts, seven days a week under hazardous conditions in a shithole ten thousand miles from home?
Actually, I guess it is a lot different, the girls have it a LOT easier than these oil field workers I know and they make at least as much money.
Idk, I've never had to fuck and suck 12 strangers a day, most of them I would have no sexual attraction to, with little break, in a dark ass apartment. Trust me, most amp girls see less clients and especially do less FS than your average kgirl. At least in my area.
Then again, I've never had to do the oil field worker stuff either.
Not all AMPs and AAMPs are created equal. You have experience mainly in the Bay Area, not to toot my own horn, but I have decades of experience in several different states all over the country. I also know/knew a LOT (hundreds) of both AMP and AAMP girls in a social setting who were NOT fucking me, (sometimes I became buddies with the other girls at a AMP or K agency who were co workers of a girl I was dating, so fucking them was verboten) so they had no reason to lie to me unlike what a Girlfriend admits to her Boyfriend or what a hooker admits to a client.
I used to have an arrangement with a hot little “Boss”. She was Chinese and hated being called mama-san. When she was in the “office”, I’d either take her out or see her there. If she was in town (she lived up in San Francisco, the office was in San Jose) we’d go out someplace discreet and have a little fun. She was a great dancer. Some good times.
When she wasn’t working, I’d let her know I was heading over and she’d call the girls and tell them to be sure and take good care of me. I had a few threesomes that way that were well beyond the type of service I could get at any other AMP. But that all was highly dependent on which girls were rotating through at the time.
There was a girl there for about a year that told me if I wanted to come by early in the morning she’d let me in and we could have some morning fun. I miss this a *lot*. Even on mornings when I was feeling the urge but didn’t have time for an actual session I could drop by for a very nice push-up-against-the-wall BBBJ to start my day and put a smile on my face.
But it’s against my rules to have anything other than a friendship or FWB relationship with a working girl. I’ve never met one that I genuinely liked who was looking at clients to find a relationship. I guess if lightning struck I might change my mind. Honestly, I’ve found that all the girls I’ve gotten to know rather liked that I make it clear that I draw easy to understand boundaries which we can work and play within without having to deal with dating and romance.
I’m sure there are many who approach this quite differently.
You can search the forum here but the simple answer is don't go there. If any of the girls have an interest they will bring it up. If they do, proceed with caution -- it might not be what you think. However, none are likely to do so if you're putting on any big acts about your self or what you think of them.
Which is not to say it a real friendship can never be found or even a real relationship (but both are going to be much different that what you're used to in a normal real life setting for some obvious reasons).
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I would agree with this. I never went into an appointment looking for anything and if you try to force something it is very uncomfortable for the provider because of the power dynamic to begin with. I just tried to have enjoyable sessions and if it was fun then I would repeat. I would leave my phone number on a repeat session and forget about it and if someone reached out then that would be nice. I would follow up by asking a favor for them to help book a popular time slot for me. Sometimes they would ask me about smoking weed since it is taboo in Korea and if they could try it with me or their roommates so I would ask them to help me book their last appointment before works done and grab a bite and try it. Usually let them take the lead, sometimes they'll want to give you food or presents or cook for you. However OTC is kind of overrated to me and I liked not getting to know them too much because of the fantasy aspect of the hobby as well as downsides like jealousy, having to do favors, or feeling pressured to make appointments every now and then if you're not dating them. It is interesting to get a more honest point of view of how they feel about the job as well as hear about other clients/industry. You can see how fake and crafted a lot of messages with clients are on their fake KKT or if they pretend not to understand things they really do
All REAL Asians know how to turn on and off their ability to speak and understand English as the situation demands. lol
I have lost track of how many reviews of my Asian hooker GF's I have read where the guy made a point about how little English she spoke. Note to White guys, if your K-Girl doesn't speak English, but her reviews say otherwise, it's a really good sign she didn't like you and didn't want to be bothered actually talking to you. lol
Yes, it's a very good sign they actually like you if they ask you to book the last appointment of the day so you can go out afterwards. I had one girl who when we first met would ask me to book the last appointment of the day and then I would spend the entire night with her until one morning barely two weeks after we met the agency owner walked in and "caught us" in bed together. She was actually really cool about it and even said, "Well I guess I lost a customer and you gained a boyfriend" and that was the last time we had to sneak around. That relationship lasted well over a year until she started wanting "more", yes she wanted to know if marriage was in our future, not a green card marriage, but a real one. Things went downhill from there as I am NOT the marrying kind. I made that mistake once, but NEVER again.
Speaking of leaving phone numbers, another "tip" for guys who want/hope for OTC time. Leaving, or better yet, exchanging phone numbers and then NOT texting her first is another good way to find out if your favorite girl has any interest in you, but whatever you do, do NOT blow up her phone with love notes. lol
You said, . . . . She . . . said, "Well I guess I lost a customer and you gained a boyfriend" If YOU gained a boyfriend, was she a tranny? ROFLMAO
I was a pretty regular customer of the agency, but that ended when I got into an LTR with this one girl. I actually got to be very good friends with the agency owner who was an ex provider herself, but she did lose me as a customer.
the girl said it to YOU. My bad. Lol
Begging, bribing and wheedling are sure fire ways to crash and burn.
Keep in mind the average K-girl probably gets asked out at least once each and every day, often by guys taller, richer, more handsome and with bigger dicks than you (or me too for that matter) I know the prevailing wisdom is to become a regular and leave a big tip each time and yes that can get you a "pity date" with your favorite girl, but it won't get you anything more than that.
I have gotten OTC time with Asian providers after the very first date before. Once on a Sunday as I was getting dressed after a very energetic session with a Thai girl I casually mentioned I was headed to the Thai market to buy some lobsters for dinner, she immediately replied "can you take me, please, please, please" lol That began a casual relationship with her that lasted for well over a year. Not a BF/GF relationship, I continued to pay her for sex, but I would always book as her last appointment of the day, and after an hour long paid session we would go out to dinner, drinks, movies or whatever totally OTC. Never did we pretend to be in love, we just enjoyed our time together.
Other times it happens after several sessions and it just seems natural to say "We should go out sometime" You should be able to tell right away if she has any interest or not, but NEVER press the issue. If she is interested she'll let you know, if she is not you can ruin your professional relationship forever if you cross over into being "stalkerish"
Keep in mind the more established a girl is in any given city and the bigger network of friends she has, the less likely she is to want to spend her free time with a client. OTOH if she is a touring girl, a stranger in town with few if any friends, it can be very lonely to be fucking a bunch of strange guys all days with no real friends to spend time with in her down time. Those girls can be VERY open to making friends with a nice guy who isn't all clingy, needy and apt to fall in love with her.
One very serious piece of advice though, if you are the type who easily falls in love I most definitely advise you to NOT start dating K-girls, you are just begging to have your heart broken if you start actually falling in love with any of them, although sometimes the girls really do fall in love themselves. I have dated literally dozens of hookers of all races and yes at least a couple of them genuinely fell in love with me, by no means a high percentage, but yes it "can" happen. Actually looking for it to happen is a fool's errand IMO though.
Keep repeating. If she likes you, she'll initiate outside time. What you do with it is up to you. That's my experience.
well over two hundred Kgirls, and LTR's with 11, I can tell you that you walked into a Kgirl hustle, albeit the "long-game" rather than the usual $15,000 quick con-job. Most of my OTC dates are one-and-done because its fairly easy to determine in a single date outside the incall what their motivation is about. If she's really interested in you from an attraction standpoint, then read GaG's post above as he echos most of my own thoughts on the matter, and I won't waste my time duplicating his post.
Over 50 Kgirls have proposed marriage to me as a way to get a green card. This is not like finding your soul-mate, its someone who's willing to fuck you and pretend they like it in exchange for a green card from a sham marriage. Some Kgirls will even pay you up to $50,000 to enter into a green card marriage. However, they prefer to find a young naive guy who will do it for free. Once they get the green card, its adios amigo. They ask me when they find out I'm an older single guy with a few resources. I have to educate them that older guys like me are not good targets for an "arrangement" like this because we know its a hustle. I tell them they need to concentrate their efforts on young guys in their 20's who are socially awkward and not too bright. Some have taken my advice and done well for themselves. 90% of the time, they keep their job as a sex worker, but the guys that are willing to do this rarely have the financial depth to keep her in the lifestyle she is used to.
I think the waiting time for the green card to become fully vested is about 3 years, so you can expect three years of pretend happiness before she makes her exit. You don't really have a remedy to get even without admitting you were complicit in a scheme to defraud the Federal government. She will be deported and you will go to prison, so you most bite your tongue and remain quiet about it. Kgirls are drama queens which is how we get a convincing GFE, so when the time is ripe for their exit, they will start being a bitch, so that you will not want them anymore, and they make a clean exit from the hustle, with you feeling like you dodged a bullet in getting rid of her. It seems like a win-win for both of you, but the bottom line is that they played you like a cheap fiddle.
I have dated a few that were still married to some sucker in another city. Its the only time I knowingly fucked married women. You'd be surprised how many of our long-term Kgirls did NOT overstay their visa, but rather found some young guy to marry them. They paid their dues for three years and got out clean with their prize, the green card. I can say from experience its great dating a Kgirl with a green card who can travel with you freely. Maybe we should thank you for being her willing stooge. Who knows how many of us will benefit in the future from her having a green card. Yours is the ULTIMATE TOFTT.
I agreed with JustLayingLow that there is a good probability that your story is bullshit, but he said that before you made the additional disclosure that it was a green card marriage, so now I believe you might be telling the truth, and if you are, this post is your story whether you know it yet or not.
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They don't need no education
They don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the bedroom
CDL! Leave them K-girls alone
Hey, CDL! Leave them K-girls alone
All in all it's just another dick in the hole
All in all you're just another dick in the hole
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN5Z28Dfl7o
you're one of the young socially awkward guys in your 20"s??? I won't argue about you being socially awkward, but there is no way in hell you're still in your 20's. LOL
Just remember, if you play the trophy-wife game, you have to keep trading the Buick in for a new Mercedes every three years. Three more years, and your new Mercedes has turned into a Buick and you are back to square one. Wash, Rinse, Repeat. LOL
i had long talks with cdl about this type of situation, lol.
i crossed the threshold from friend to potential lover, but we both knew it was not meant to be. loved getting to know her when she didn't put on an act during off hours, but her gps (warranted, too) was off the charts. always the brains and beauty in this industry that are the killers...ha
There was this chick (Cgirl) I used to fuck regularly; man, she had all the things I liked. We became friendly and around year one or two, and she "introduced" me to her fake husband (her words). She showed me her wedding photos. They were all decked out in Bridal gowns and Tux's. The stooge looked so happy. I felt sorry for him; but by then it was time for round two....