All,
Usually I simply sit back read and learn. Most of the posts here are about specific girls or booking issues or location issues or things I have no experience with.
This issue is something that I may have little insight to offer.
Asian women normally very submissive and have a purpose. If she is domestic house keeper, her purpose will focus on doing good job for her boss. Usually that applies to most any job. If true Asian, raised in Asia, we are brought up to always do the very best to anything we do. We apply that to most aspects of our lives.
As I have made clear before I am not a Kgirl and don't live or work the Kgirl model that many of you are used to. Being Asian though, I can see where sometimes a problem can be. Asian women who are providers choose to be providers for whatever reasons they have. The few I do know, choose freely and look at it as a job. If its a job they want to apply best effort.
Being to accommodate the client is part of doing a great job. Submissive to the desires of the client is part of that job. BBFS is a no-no most of the time. For me its always a no-no. But putting up a huge fuss and getting angry over guy that tries to push the issue is also a no-no. Because we do so much, in a sweet and accommodating way, that it seems we are fully submissive some men. Since we do not throw fit but just sweet nice no, and then move on to next position, it seems we are possible to change the mind. That is not the real reality.
Constantly push that issue and you will soon find a firm no. But you will also find much harder to get repeat appointment. I dont have lots of provider friends. I try to keep on toes by reading as much I can on every board that has comments, then try separate real from bullshit. The few provider friends I have, the ones that Asian, refuse tour to LA. They refuse because BBFS is such a nasty issue there, they just dont want hassle. Those of your friends that constantly push the issue, then also tell more guys to at least try, keep many from even think to go to LA. I get invitations to LA weekly at least, yet still I refuse to go. I have many reasons I dont go, mostly because I dont know the city or the people or even how to really tour it safely. But in back of my mind, one reason is always hear of the BBFS issue there. In Las Vegas and in Phoenix, not once ever has a client asked for BBFS.
Personally I dont think LA will ever be for lack of Asian providers. But I do think many of you will have to accept that those that are good, will not stay long if they have choice. Those with experience will move on to places where the pressure to submit to BBFS is far less will do so.
Something you should consider before next time you push for BBFS. Kgirls get tourist visa very easy. Its limited on how often and how long but not hard to get. Tourist visa from countries that are what is called visa friendly with USA requires no medical. When a Korean girl wants to visa US, she is not required to get tested for all the things that a girl from another country that is not visa friendly is required. Medical that includes full STD blood and urine tests is required for all others not coming from visa friendly country. If you think Kgirl has no experience being provider, or very limited experience again you are mostly wrong. Most usually have been fucking long time for pay in Korea before coming US. Think of that next time you fuck a girl ( any girl not just Kgirl ) right off the boat.
Your BBFS friends will continue to put bad pressure on which girls will come LA and how long they will stay when they do. Christine
On the scumbag site. A guy posted that he asked a Kgirl twice for BBFS and the girl said no. Diva Diver's advice was not to ask her first, just go for it. Then he adds, but "don't rape her." What a caring guy. It seems like he's suggesting that they should not take no for an answer, but keep pushing, but stop just short of rape. Does she have to physically assault the guy before Diva Diver gets the message? These are the assholes that are causing top girls to leave LA and other top girls to skip LA when they're touring.
I have a feeling we're going to find out one day that this guy is some two-faced asshole that promotes that we all be respectful to Kgirls here on TER, then out of the other side of his mouth, he's telling guys over there to keep pushing girls for BBFS even when they say no. One sick fucker, IMO.
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what I thought when I read it. The problem is, who draws the line that you shouldn't cross. Some guys may think once she says no, anything after that could be rape, whereas, other guys may think as long as she's still conscious afterward, it wasn't rape. When you're giving advice to go for it but no guidance on when to stop, who decides at what point a rape occurs?
Heard admin there banned the biggest liar not too long ago but another dude like himself is bs'ing big time. Things quiet down a bit, though. I'm sure girls are black listing more and more guys with bb attempt.
Anyway, I didn't plan to see any of the girls there even before I saw their names. Some I saw before and don't feel like seeing again after they were named. I noticed certain agencies attract these customers and favor other agencies more.
Whatever strategy they think they have, I think it will only work if she is already open to it or they like the guy. The ones that have to ask more than once or push for it are just inviting BL.
If anyone wants to help the girls who are not into it, do this:
1. Tell her booker (or tell her yourself if you see her) if you see her name mentioned and tell her to be careful.
2. Tell her to be wary of doing BB because guy will brag and she will get more requests from others who BB with anyone.
Naming the UTR girls will only ruin her or forces her to leave or change her name. I also think recent issues are a result of more risky behaviors by these customers. I used to care but not anymore because I see newer girls or those who are not named yet.
All,
Usually I simply sit back read and learn. Most of the posts here are about specific girls or booking issues or location issues or things I have no experience with.
This issue is something that I may have little insight to offer.
Asian women normally very submissive and have a purpose. If she is domestic house keeper, her purpose will focus on doing good job for her boss. Usually that applies to most any job. If true Asian, raised in Asia, we are brought up to always do the very best to anything we do. We apply that to most aspects of our lives.
As I have made clear before I am not a Kgirl and don't live or work the Kgirl model that many of you are used to. Being Asian though, I can see where sometimes a problem can be. Asian women who are providers choose to be providers for whatever reasons they have. The few I do know, choose freely and look at it as a job. If its a job they want to apply best effort.
Being to accommodate the client is part of doing a great job. Submissive to the desires of the client is part of that job. BBFS is a no-no most of the time. For me its always a no-no. But putting up a huge fuss and getting angry over guy that tries to push the issue is also a no-no. Because we do so much, in a sweet and accommodating way, that it seems we are fully submissive some men. Since we do not throw fit but just sweet nice no, and then move on to next position, it seems we are possible to change the mind. That is not the real reality.
Constantly push that issue and you will soon find a firm no. But you will also find much harder to get repeat appointment. I dont have lots of provider friends. I try to keep on toes by reading as much I can on every board that has comments, then try separate real from bullshit. The few provider friends I have, the ones that Asian, refuse tour to LA. They refuse because BBFS is such a nasty issue there, they just dont want hassle. Those of your friends that constantly push the issue, then also tell more guys to at least try, keep many from even think to go to LA. I get invitations to LA weekly at least, yet still I refuse to go. I have many reasons I dont go, mostly because I dont know the city or the people or even how to really tour it safely. But in back of my mind, one reason is always hear of the BBFS issue there. In Las Vegas and in Phoenix, not once ever has a client asked for BBFS.
Personally I dont think LA will ever be for lack of Asian providers. But I do think many of you will have to accept that those that are good, will not stay long if they have choice. Those with experience will move on to places where the pressure to submit to BBFS is far less will do so.
Something you should consider before next time you push for BBFS. Kgirls get tourist visa very easy. Its limited on how often and how long but not hard to get. Tourist visa from countries that are what is called visa friendly with USA requires no medical. When a Korean girl wants to visa US, she is not required to get tested for all the things that a girl from another country that is not visa friendly is required. Medical that includes full STD blood and urine tests is required for all others not coming from visa friendly country. If you think Kgirl has no experience being provider, or very limited experience again you are mostly wrong. Most usually have been fucking long time for pay in Korea before coming US. Think of that next time you fuck a girl ( any girl not just Kgirl ) right off the boat.
Your BBFS friends will continue to put bad pressure on which girls will come LA and how long they will stay when they do.
Christine
Christine,
Thank you for taking the time to write such an insightful missive. Those of us that have been fortunate enough to have a RL relationship develop with an Asian provider we first met as a customer will all attest that your points are well-taken. I know phallacy is one of them. The "submissiveness" they often display plays into Western stereotypes as part of their service to make customers feel more studly. When you're with them on the outside, you see that most of these girls are pretty tough cookies, and will not mince words when it comes to their opinions if they trust you enough to tell you what they're really thinking about something.
You are correct that it is not in their nature to be confrontational in a session. Fortunately, more and more local girls here are starting to blacklist the guys that are pressuring for BBFS. When word gets around that no means no, or else the perpetrators will face the consequences, maybe some of these BBFS hounds will become more gentlemanly and respectful. As for Diva Diver, he is a lost cause and despite whatever amount of experience he may think he has, he has never gotten truly close to an Asian girl, or he wouldn't be giving such ignorant advice. He will always be played as a customer.
Those girls are going to have to go "somewhere" I hope some of them end up here in Texas. I have heard from many of the girls I have seen that they like the way they are treated in Texas.
Your loss, our gain. lol
But seriously, you guys really need to figure out a way to clean up your own playground or Christine will be proven 100% correct (and you too CDL) as LA will cease to be a K-Girl mecca as more and more girls refuse to work there.
K-girls still love to come here and want to stay.
Personally, I actually feel like LA is getting popular again. We may be getting a bad rap by some dudes but LA is a pretty big city. I don't even feel like I am on the same playground as those dudes.
If I feel things are getting bad for the K-girls, GaG and CDL won't have to tell me because I would have done something. Case in point, one time people made me worried K-girls were leaving LA, so I supported them like no tomorrow and changed my name to match. And I talked to them just as I said because I wanted them to be well here.
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And for making me remember to tell the K-girls to firmly and clearly say no or stop the session and tell booker immediately.
Even I may misunderstand their non-verbal cues as permission to continue. Not unlike this guy below.
Thanks to CDL for pounding relentlessly on these BBB assholes and the damage they do and thanks to Christine for one of the most insightful posts I have ever read on this board.
It is such a shame that the very nature of the providers we appreciate,the dedication to service and the sweetness we crave is so vulnerable to the predatory nature of the bad customers. I have seen this toxic mixture with an ATF who could not tolerate either LA or the Bay Area because of the BBFS pressure. The cynicism ruins the hobby for all. The portrait of the American male grows uglier with every Weinstein,Trump and Diva Diver. I could rant on but I could not get close to the eloquence above. Look in the mirror brothers...no means no-yes even with sex workers.
She got very upset and said now she feels stressed out.
Then she threatened to leave LA and wanted to ask her boss to find out who posted such info. It was all a lie to her. She asked when it was posted and told me she recently saw a spike in customers that she had to turn away because they asked for BB.
I can never understand why those guys want to name these girls publicly. It's like biting the hands that feed them. I guess they either lie or don't care to repeat. The other guys who follow after are only asking for trouble LOL.
Some providers do read their reviews and are aware of the thread there along with bookers. Number of assholes tried bb, get rejected, and sent to blacklist by bookers. And they lie posting names of the providers with bb experience to screw other guys up. Some dudes fell for it and ended up on blacklist themselves. Quite few guys lied their asses off of providers saying some tempting BS to test the water for them if they can get bb.
Maybe it is better not to address posts on this board that are purely a response to a different board. It just gives attention to to the other board and does nothing to address thise who are promoting such behavior.
That being said, what DivaDiver says only works becayse most of these girls can’t speak English and don’t know how to stop such acts that happen so quickly. Without consent, it is rape.
So you would rather be in the dark about whether there are guys harassing the girls for BBFS that you're seeing? Keeping it in the dark helps facilitate this kind of egregious behavior.
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My point is that no one is the dark about the fact that there are people out there who try to force bbfs on girls who do not have the ability to speak out to stop them. Your post doesn’t do anything to stop them. It’s not like you are sharing a secret technique that was being talked about on that board. They just are saying shove it in without asking. If you want to tell the speaker off it would be more effective posting on that other board. Just my two cents.
Are here under a different handle. There have been posts over there about things we discussed right here.
Also, if you say anything negative over there about BBFS the moderator removed it. This is where we reach the most eyeballs.
our beloved old timers like mufftime and such? I'd like to hear them chime in on what they think and shed some bare light on this issue?
last time I brought up Diva Diver, where he said Diva Diver and the other scumbags over there are mostly spouting bullshit about getting BBFS.
You woke me up. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Most of what you read on any of these boards should be taken with a grain of salt and the includes reviews as well. Even mine. I know there are guys who trust my reviews and have seen girls that I have recommended but still don't listen to one reviewer. I don't. I usually wait for several and look for the consistency that I need to make my decision. TER even states that it is a fantasy board and too many look at it as a reality board. Who cares what anyone says? It's usually self serving and meaningless. We all know what goes on regardless of these boards that make a point of it and knowing it doesn't change anything.
How's that for chiming in?
it makes what they are doing over there all the more reprehensible, because if they are claiming they got BBFS with a girl that doesn't offer it, then they will damage her reputation and business for no reason other than to be a dick. If they are telling the truth, then they will still hurt her business because every guy over there is going to pressure these girls for BBFS, and they end up losing their regulars who want to play safely. Some will fight back by BL'ing. Others will just leave. If a girl leaves because a particular guy outed her, then he loses her availability, too, so he's shooting himself in the foot. Its a lose-lose for the girl, so whether naming her as a BBFS girl is true or BS, its just as damaging either way, IMHO.
Right, right an right.
So what's new? It's like the Democrats screaming collusion with the Russians while it was them all along.
I agree. Over the last two years, I saw a lovely Philapina girl. Rates way beyond $$$. I knew she had a wild steak, and that was backed up by reviews. However, they never mentioned BB until the last one. My stomach churned with the description. Will I see her again? Right now I don’t know. If there are ladies here, please take note that any suggestion of BB might hurt your business.
I've been hobbying a long time and BB may have hurt the business of some girls but it has also helped the business of some as well. Without mentioning any names there has been a number of what we refer to as divas who were known for that and their business thrived. Some guys won't see those girls but condoms offer some protection any way. According to what I've seen over the years many more will see those girls and some of them were the ones that it was hardest to get an appointment with. Let's not forget we are not dealing with sweet innocent sisters, daughters or cousins. We are dealing with prostitutes and they, as well as we, are in a hobby that is against the law. I know that's not politically correct but it is the truth.
The op was about sticking it in raw without asking first. I don't think this is ever OK; it doesn't matter if you are with some innocent civvie or a working girl known to serve bb up to others. You have to ask or let the girl initiate it. No exceptions.
Nor will I claim the higher ground with a close to 200+ reviewer. I’ve posted here questioning whether a spike in reviews indicates BBFS, and that was somewhat rhetorical. I already knew the answer. However, I still find it difficult why the bragging happens? What do they gain? Is the short term gain with these girls worth the long term loss? My favorite K-girl I saw a dozen times. If she ever showed up on that board, it would be goodbye. Is that good for business?
I guess some guys need to say things to make them feel better about themselves. That being said you saying goodbye would not be good for her business but the many more guys saying hello would be good for her. Remember they are doing this for the money and in most cases will do what works for them. Your ATF may not have shown up on that board but that doesn't mean she hasn't been doing it. I've surmised for years that the girls getting a spike in reviews were doing something that other girls weren't doing.
I don't think they are sweet innocent girls who never BB but I also don't assume a spike in reviews means BBFS. Your experience may tell you that, my experience tells me don't be quick to judge. Trust, but verify. You masters can dispense wisdom and I will learn.
This is what I think. Lying may be an act of revenge. Lying or naming a girl is also a way to force the girl to open up to them. If the non-BBFS guys stay away, then the girl will have no choice but to open up more or to leave. These guys don't really care if the girls leave because they will move on to the next target. They get some cred with the rest if they tell the truth.
If they lie, they get to come back and try again when others succeed in opening up her menu. Perhaps they hope to attack her until she gives in. If they can't do it alone, they want the whole herd to join in.
So I am not so quick to believe rumor about a girl I like. I wouldn't want her to be stuck with those dudes. I will give her a choice, the disrespectful dudes who need BBFSCIP or the one who wants to treat her well and keep repeating. It's simple, really. I will have a talk with her and use my head to understand her choice. If I think she lies or don't need me, I move on.
Just because this is her job, what's wrong with treating her with respect and want her to be safe? I try because I feel good, even if I know she does not give a damn about me after I leave.
You're giving them too much credit. Liars are just bullshit artists and they do that to look like a big shot. Whether it's in this hobby or anywhere in their lives. Too much speculation about this. In my experience the busiest girls were the ones who offered more than the others. I suspected it for a while and my suspicions were not wrong. Sure it may be for other reasons as well. Maybe revenge but I don't think that spreading a rumor will make them "open up" their menu. This has been going on well before the rag site. Giving your advice would be like me giving an engineer advice how to build a bridge. Understand who and what you are dealing with. These are girls giving up their bodies to make a buck and will do what it takes to make it work. None of us mean that much to them that they will take our advice that could cost them money. Let's get real about this. Most of these girls and I mean the very popular ones hate what they are doing and to some extent hate those with whom they are doing it with. Let's not over inflate how much we mean to them besides the good old American dollar.
It's good for me to hear another perspective so I will keep it in mind. I don't fully agree and it will not change how I think or act but I appreciate this reply. I don't presume to give advice here because I am only here to learn and for entertainment.
I just want to share my own perspective as a casual guy. I don't really pay much attention to those guys anymore after I read the entire board. The clueless ones can waste their money and get in trouble for all I care.
It sure sucks for the girls who don't want to be named. I understand it is all business to the girls and the bookers but their happiness makes me happier so I act accordingly. If I like them enough, I will talk to them. Sure, some may not care what I have to say but the ones who care matter. I do understand I don't mean much to them yet I still like to make their life better anyway.
That outing these girls on the BBFS board without their permission makes these guys heros because they are helping a girl's business whether she wants that kind of help or not. You have always been a proponent of respecting Kgirls and gentlemanly behavior, so I hope I'm misinterpreting what you're saying.
As Andy mentions above, its always a sad day when I have to explain to a girl I've been seeing that I won't be seeing her anymore because her name went up on that board. They get mad as hell that some asshole has put their name up over there. It hurts them just as much whether its true or BS. Either way, they feel betrayed, so I don't see how any of the dicks over there can think they are "helping" her business. One girl I know lost seven two-hour a week regulars. The one-hour BBFS guys are not going to take up the slack on that. Most of those BB hounds are cheap, looking for BBFS at 160 or less, so they can't even afford two hours a week.
I explained how they get a temporary boost in the link below to another thread. Sometimes this temporary boost runs them out of town because all the BBFS guys are lined up around the block and they may not want to do BB with most of them, but outing them has put them in a jam. It should be the girl's choice whether to admit they offer BBFS. The vast majority of the ones that do offer BBFS on a YMMV basis would STILL rather not have it be on a public board. All you have to do is ask them. I think no matter how you slice it, these guys are disrespectful scumbags for naming girls without the girl's express permission. Hopefully, more and more bookers will continue to blacklist these guys. Many guys already have been by one or more bookers. Hope you feel the same way.
Boy do you know how to twist words. I said that they think it makes them look and feel good. I'm sure they're not even thinking that they are helping the girl's business. It's self aggrandizement. It's the typical story of a bullshitter. That's why people lie. To, in their deluded way, make themselves feel good. So yes you certainly did misinterpret what I said.
That being said if a girl gets upset when she hears she is on the board she probably isn't doing it. If she is doing it she probably has no problem if that is what she does to get more business. Your examples are no more than anecdotal. What I have found over the years before the rag board is that so many that we put on a pedestal and would not expect it of were offering it up. My experience is also anecdotal but the names that were making it available would make your head spin. As far as the bookers are concerned, if the girl is bringing in the money they don't really care. Do you think that the bookers of the notorious names don't know what's going on?
Some girls do it with a lot of guys, some girls with none, but these pedestal girls as you say only do it selectively and do complain about appearing on that board. When a girl shows up over there as giving it up to one guy, every hairy stinky fat jerk now wants to try. It is very stressful for the selective girl to shut all these guys down. Ultimately many girls in this situation leave, and if they leave no one makes money which is why guys get blocked.
Of course they do it selectively and as you say some don't do it at all and they want to pick and choose . Of course they don't want it advertised on a discussion board. That's always been the case. That only started with the rag board but I have seen it on reviews on this site as well from time to time. It's their choice and that choice doesn't belong on a discussion board. That said selectively means different things to different people. Most of us are aware of who does it and which one of the "pedestal" girls are doing it. I'm just saying based on many years as a hobbyist it's more than one would think and don't count anyone out.
about the prevalence of BBFS. That's not my point. My main issue, and it sounds here like you agree, is that these guys over there are complete scumbags for mentioning it on the board WITHOUT the girl's express permission. I have never met a girl who's name went up over there that was happy about it, whether she is okay with BBFS in some cases or not. Not even the open menu girls like it being advertised over there. As In-out says above, it opens the flood gates to a lot of the kinds of guys they DON'T want to do it with, but now they are pressured to do it with everyone. In nine years, I have only meant ONE girl that was okay with having the mention of BBFS in a review. In fact, you have joined in the long crusade with many other veterans here in the past to keep such language OUT of reviews. I don't see much difference in a guy putting it in a review here, and posting it on a public board over there. Seems like a double standard, and I am at a loss as to how those guys justify the betrayal of a girl that trusted them.
I won't mention any names either, but there is one popular girl in LA that got so pissed after a couple of BB reviews showed up on TER that she took her entire profile down for a few days. She hated the fact that BB was being discussed on that other board about her. She resorted to blacklisting about a hundred guys and now they don't talk about her much anymore, but she still gets guys trying, so the negative effects can go on for a long time.
I also think its ironic that when a girl says no FIV, most guys will respect her wishes and not try it again, but when it comes to pressuring for BBFS, they are relentless. This is why girls are skipping LA on their tour. ChristineGFE posted on this thread that she has not come to LA for this reason, she doesn't want to be pressured for BBFS. At the very least, it ruins the vibe of the session. I think that constitutes a loss for a lot of us that would like to see her.
In your opinion, is there any reasonable justification for a guy betraying a girl's trust and telling other guys over there that they received BBFS from a particular girl by name? Does the need by these assholes for self-aggrandizement trump the girl's expectation of privacy and trust on what she does with her customers?
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Of course I agree as I said before. No need to put it in a review or discussion board. That opens up the girl to being pressured by the guys that she doesn't want to do it with and none of them do it with everybody. I was saying all along that is self aggrandizement and a betrayal of the girl's privacy. The point I was also making is that is a lot more prevalent than most believe. Actually there are names on that board that they say no BBFS available that I know for a fact is available for some and not for others. It's the nature of the business. That board has some of the sleaziest scumbags. They post links for girls that I wouldn't fuck with a broom.
over there where two or three guys say a particular girl was NOT amenable to BBFS, and then some other guy jumps in and says he did her BB. I think this Diva Diver douchebag is one that has done that. How is that helping the situation? Just when a girl thinks she has dodged a bullet, some other guy outs her, which gets all the pressure guys trying again.
Like you, I also noticed that these guys have pretty low standards as far as looks, so its all about who's letting them in bare. My biggest concern is that some of these BP skanks are drug users, and that would increase the risk for Kgirls seeing the same guys.
CDL and Mufftime,
I am offer only my own opinion and very limited shared knowledge from other providers.
I think both of you very valid, and very real thoughts on subject. But I must confess, trust simply does not exist in this world. I would like to trust my clients, but cannot. Cannot trust them anymore than they can trust me. Often I trust them less.
I think any provider trust any client with information that could hurt her business, or change attitude people have about her or classify her a certain way is a provider that will not last long. So to trust a client to never mention he BBFS her is something that will always be a worry in back of her mind. That is if she does not want others to know.
I have not come LA for several reasons. First is really just time and planning. Second is the issue I read so many wanting BBFS from Asians. Third is I see so many beautiful women already there, no need of me. Finally and most important....I simply dont know people and market and have no backup support system if an issue. So many contact me, and offer to help guide me if I visit. But my life and what I do is very private. Where I stay how long I stay and who I see needs privacy for all and for safety. Can you imagine me have to make a call...." father i was caught fucking for money, all my fault as I did not know enough about where i go, can you please can you come get me out" First my father would get me out, then he would probably beat me for fucking for money, then beat me again for being stupid. Asian parents very strict. Also just so all know, my Father has never beat me. He is very sweet father.
I think we all agree BBFS happens a lot more often than admit. But as you both point out many reasons. In my opinion none valid. Of course never valid when it is forced. But we should all agree that if provider trust guy to keep mouth shut, that is also foolish expect.
Ok for sure done now must leave class.
All have a great day
Christine
should be required reading for any Asian girl that wants to work in LA. However, there are two issues. The trust comes in after the fact that she has already allowed BBFS with somebody that she doesn't know well enough and shouldn't have. The other issue is consequential of the first in that the breach of trust opens the door for every hobbyist in LA to pressure her for BBFS, too. I think there are a small number that are not as concerned about their customers mentioning BBFS quietly by PM, which is the way it was always done in the past, because most hobbyists that are respectful and discreet will usually have close friends who are also that way. What they object to is guys "publishing" it on boards or in reviews without their permission when the girl is trying to stay UTR as far as BBFS goes.
...I'll play your father. You call me to tell me you were arrested for fucking for money. I bail you out but instead of beating you, I'll say: "Daddy wants a piece of what you've been selling!" How does that sound?
BP,
OK honest I can take joke. And honest I have tried role play straight face, but admit i not very good at it.
But even paid role play, the father thing is a little sick to me. Just a personal issue. I am ok to fuck the priest, the jailer, the police the teacher ( oh I already do teacher in real life ) but not father.
No offense meant and none taken, just not for me.
Christine
Was that supposed to be funny ???
as long as there is a board where idiots can be anonymous and post without consequence, its just a matter of time before things go sideways. BBFS is a major issue will probably be the reason LE will get things in gear as far as doing LE things. its been discussed that the hobby (at the high end level) is basically a victimless crime and we hope LE will focus on more urgent and important matters. but BBFS will begin to spread disease or at least become a threat to and that's when LE will be forced to move in. i'm not sure what other board you're talking about but i move that the moderators of any board including this one, that is supposed to be for the benefit of the hobby, ban the mentioning of BBFS completely otherwise it will become a double edged sword if it isn't already.
BBFS has been around for years and spreading of disease is not what LE is concerned about. They only get concerned when there are complaints from neighbors or some politician and as you can see that has not slowed anything down for as long as I've been doing this and that's a long time. The supply of girls on the various ad boards across the country are more plentiful than ever.
Thank you all for reading my previous post.
As I read down and see more comments I see one that says perhaps not good idea discuss things said on one board to this board. I disagree.
Two reasons. Reason one is I want to see all opinions not just one sided opinions. If this wwas not said here how would I know that not ALL guys in LA want or push for BBFS. Reason two is that you can be assure the bookers (? the people in charge the provider) read all boards include this one. Its good they see also that not all hope for decent client is lost.
LA, and SF are the two largest immigration points from Asia (its a long flight). That why so many Asian girls from Asia there. But if guys continue to make it a high pressure location, they could just as easy book direct Houston and Chicago.
Christine
A belated welcome back from Asia. I am still waiting for your professional pics, but I am getting more and more attracted to your current pics now since I just browse them again 
As always, I am impressed with your post. Some bookers do read this board. I read TER to learn and I must thank CDL for raising my awareness. I didn't know about which other board people were talking about.
At first I was worried that guys here would find that board and help made BBFS more popular. Then I found it myself. My worry disappeared after I reviewed the entire board very seriously. I am not so concerned now that I bother to check it often. I got better thing to do like figuring out who to see next. It's a massive puzzle for me to solve
Nothing they mentioned there was insightful or news to me. One thing I would thank them is to let me know who to avoid and how to predict their migration pattern. I put the names mentioned there on my DNS list and committed to memory the pics those girls used. It doesn't mean I just believe them because I am not that clueless. I use it to prioritize gals that are not their target yet.
To anyone who wants to follow the crowd over there, all I got to say is, good luck LOL.
Basically, half of the times (or more) assholes there on the thread post names of the provides to retaliate to who they got blacklisted from. BS'ing they did bb with them. Saying multiple repeat visits eventually pay off and providers open up to bb, etc. Then one after another assholes try to book the providers mentioned on the board. It is complete BS but I understand the pressure and annoyance of the providers and feel sorry at the same time. Number of calls / texts bookers receive on a daily basis increase to double, may be to triple. Some providers actually told me the approximate number of text per provider of one day and it's not few. Some realize most of the BS posts quick and leave the thread but others appear to BS. I peek at other threads there myself now and then. There are actually nice guys on other threads just like on the forum here. But that particular thread is ugly as hell. LOL
One more thing. Assholes there on the thread are so persistent of bb and providers give it up without much of choice sometimes. Not sure it was Diva Diver but some asshole said to other to release inside anyways despite girls asking to release outside. Unbelievable...
LIke phislamasjamma/earlthepearl
Which site are you referring to? This is disturbing....
All,
Such interesting topic as has several different points. I cannot speak to the thoughts of other girls but can speak to what I have seen in past.
Most all providers will never admit they have done BBFS. As is stated everyone foolish to think SOME have never done it. I personally know providers who would never admit, but for a select few clients they do. I should state here in advance that I never do.
Most providers who will allow BBFS do so in very select clients. Not all clients are nasty fat old men. Some are very handsome, fun, seem clean and almost like a date. For those the chances they will get BBFS is maybe a possibility. Some providers willing to take risk for great review, or a few weeks of solid work before leaving area. Or simply a good sex hot fuck.
Most men on here, are regular purchase of hooker time. They know risk, and they never try to purchase BBFS. But some will never turn down opportunity if they feel its safe. Like provider who will never admit they have done it, those guys will never admit they did also. And as is stated then there are a select few who seem to only want BBFS and feel that if enough pressure applied they will get it.
If you thinking BBFS not happen, you foolish. If you think girls dont want better reviews then you foolish. If you think you can pressure a girl to give without some negative feedback or feelings, my opinion is your foolish. That be said, it happens, it happens since the first girl decided to make money on her back, and it will continue happen forever for some girls.
Sorry if I take thread off topic, apologies.
Christine
True, true and true. Couldn't have said it better. A good example of selectivity is a very popular Korean American girl from a few years ago (she still may be working UTR) was known to not allow CIM. For that reason alone I never tried to see her. Then one day after seeing her reviews and ads for a couple of years my ATF wanted me to join them in a threesome.
I was reluctant for the reason I just stated but I did it because I knew I would get full satisfaction from my ATF ad she really wanted it. Well, when she was giving me a BBBJ and I felt myself ready to cum I warned her and she just disregarded it and took it all. My ATF looked on in surprise because her reputation was not to do CIM. This is not about me but it's about what Christine has been saying. Working girls choose and select and there is no definite yes or no to anything that they may or may not offer. If you're curious you can look back on my past reviews.