Recently, I ran across this rebranding a couple of times.
Didn't understand why a provider, with looks and service, would not use the name she made popular!
The orgs give out the name and you'd think they would want to use a name that is recognized and have the Mongers lining up to see her!
All about business and the almighty dollar, right?
What do you think the reasons for rebranding with a new and unknown name would be? Also, the Korg started with real pics and then replaced them with a completely different Kgirl, go figure!
We may never really know why they do something, especially when we're not a close confident.
Speculating on some options:
1) Some stalker showed up or some relationship (e.g., "boy friend") went bad.
2) Fear about being recognized or actually being suspected by friends/family/community and needing to prove the suspicions are wrong or just remove the evidence if more start looking into the ad.
3) Something happened that is not good for the girl/agency but has not yet "gone viral". (Maybe an STD that someone was saying he got from her and may start publicly making claims.)
4) Just wants to create a new persona for working, perhaps with some different type/level of service. (Was PSE but now wants to just offer covered FS, was a DT queen but is tired of that so wants to brand to avoid people demanding/expecting).
Others might have additional thoughts.
Just curious Badger, is this just idle curiosity on your part or do you see this as a problem.
Sometimes agencies can be rather competitive with each other. In some, hopefully rare cases, this can get rather toxic. To avoid issues when a girl transfers agencies the new agency may rebrand the girl just for a little plausible deniability in some cases.
It’s worth noting that agencies are in a business that has no government oversight. When you are playing with them it is not unlike playing a game with a Wookiee. People tend to let them win - even other agencies - because of what can happen if they don’t.
"because of what can happen if they don't".
What can happen? The last thing orgs want is to be implicated in anything via drama.
In laid back, peaceful Canada where the sex industry is generally accepted and largely ignored as long as it a consensual situation for all one of the agencies was busted in the past year or so. The charges were not merely sex but trafficking charges. The news story reported the police seized over 30 guns (pistols, shotguns and assault type weapons) among other things.
Why do you think a small agency (I think 4 people were arrested as "agency" people and the providers not included in those counts) would have so many weapons? You often want to make comparisons between what happens in this world with the legal world but no one here really has recourse to the legal system (courts and police are generally seen as the "other side") so disputes cannot be resolved though such mechanisms. While there may well be some third party that two sides might listen to and allow to mediate a peaceful outcome I would be surprised to hear there is a well developed infrastructure to mediate inter-agency disputes.
As such, as suggested, doing things that offer "plausible deniability" or not just rubbing a situation in someone's face as it were is a smart way of not creating friction within the larger community.
I still don't get what you're implying. This IS all in the "real world", there's no separation here.
Are you saying k-orgs mostly ran by former kgirls, will resort to using weapons against mongers and/or rival agencies? I very much doubt it. There is next to zero incentive to do so and risk the entire operation for everyone.
"I very much doubt it" is merely your uninformed OPINION because you have no personal knowledge about what Jensen is saying, right? There's way more going on than what you have personally experienced, judging from your posts.
I was trying to offer an answer for him but ultimately decided it would be a book length response that just flew over his head. He has his opinion and that is the real world for him. Pointless to try talking further.
His 'real world' is a utopian fantasy experienced by him only. It's really a sad state of existence in which he lives. Nothing 'real' about it.
What utopian fantasy are you talking about?
I defend fellow mongers and their rights. If I have to bring weaponry to do so, I kinda wanna know what they're
packing. Bringing a bat to a gunfight is a bad look.
As long as mongers aren't threatened, the orgs can murk each other as much as they want.
But eiher way, besides useyrhead little, old story of a monger disappering after he and some other dudes allegedly snitched on him, I can't recall anything about a monger being threatened or orgs blasting at each other.
Real world was in reference to you distinguishing between illegal and legal world. Both of them are real world.
There are/were instances of korgs warring, but it never came down, as far as I know, to any physical or weaponized altercation. There were instances of paper sheets saying a sex worker lives here put up on doors of partments. No gunplay tho.
My point is people need to stop using paper tigers as bogeymen. And if orgs ever used weapons to threaten mongers , I'll be glad to tell on any such org because I think there's zero reason to do so no matter the issue.
Stealing from the girls or orgs?
Beating the girls?
That would be ok?
Of course not. Truly, no sane person would say those things are OK.
That is what makes being a member of this community complex. Relationships have to be managed between our fellow mongers, the girls we see, the bookers and, yes, the orgs. There are even invisible relationships we have to manage with LE. And we can’t forget the relationships with those other people who we shelter from the knowledge of our mongering pursuits.
Our ability to manage those relationships positively determines the level of success we enjoy within this and the wider community within which we live.
Of course, there are always people who fight the system and thus limit their ability to positively manage some subset of those relationships. And that is their choice.
We all have to live with the consequences of our choices.
But the above is just my philosophy. I am absolutely certain that there are many different philosophies and approaches within this mongering community. And that’s cool, too.
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It wouldn't be OK, but it does not warrant brandishing firearms.
I remember there was this rather high dollar escort that was simply amazing. The kind of girl most guys would never have a chance with if she wasn’t a pro. She was stunning and delightful to be with.
When I met her at the hotel room I also met her bodyguard. He was massive.
When she and I were alone and he was outside the room, I asked her what was up with the bodyguard. She giggled and said: “Don’t worry about him. I’m supposed to tell people his job is to do to them whatever they try to do to me that I don’t like. But I’ve never needed his help.”
Even my ATF from a number of years ago had an arrangement with a guy like that just in case when she went independent.
Usually girls share the cost of protection when they are independent with other independent girls. Girls in an org have that built into their overhead. But the majority of the girls we all see have some protection available to them. But at the prices we pay k-girls that protection is generally not too close by. Though you never know.
The variations in how this is handled by different girls and different orgs is pretty wide. We could probably start a thread on just this one topic.
I think you did a great job.
If he’s objecting or asking for more, it is just the usual posturing for attention on his part, in my opinion. Any and all are free to disagree.
Besides that, I don’t think a public forum is the place to start bringing forth detailed stories that provide details of the worst things that can happen. It’s too much of a catch-22. The more convincing the detail, the more personally revealing it becomes.
On top of that, there is simply no way in any sane person’s mind that he has earned the trust required to have people share potentially revealing details with him even in a personal message. Much less the entire k-girl forum.
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Sure. I never claimed anything but my opinion.
So you've personally known instances of k-orgs using weapons against other orgs and/or other mongers?
Let's hear about it.
Thanks for the post, Jensen!
I don't think she had any kind of trouble.
I just wondered why it happened, I asked her, and she just said they gave her the new name.
Didn't seem to bother her at all.
As for the pics, she said she was getting new ones and the others were used for a few years.
I'm glad I caught the first pics, set up a two-hour session right away!
Then I picked up some chatter about guys wondering if she had returned or if her pics were being used by another Kgirl.
points have occurred from time to time, but I think the most common have to do with your number 4. Many girls that used to work in LA who were YMMV, but somewhat liberal with BBFS, have moved to other cities and are now GFE only. The change came about when some orgs started advertising BBFS 4-5 years ago, prompting mongers to put it in reviews. The girls that wanted to remain UTR with the PSE service were not cool with these changes, so they have gone to GFE service only in areas where BBFS is not the norm, but rather the exception.
The other common reason is that some agencies REQUIRE a girl to use a new name assigned by the org when they work there and may not use it elsewhere if they ever want the option to come back for another tour. There is a certain marketing advantage for an org to have girls that seemingly ONLY work for them. That's why some of the legends do not work in agencies that have this rule. The point here is that if a girl wants to work at certain agencies, being a rebrand is not her choice, it's the choice of the agency.
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I had one lady (now on her fourth name at least so far) tells me that she changed her at least one of her names because of complaints from a provider (in a different metro area and of a different race) using the same name. It doesn't matter to me, and she told me her real first name so I use it even if my pronunciations of it isn't the greatest.
I have heard that some do it to attempt to avoid LE just as some agencies do, but I suspect LE has no problem seeing through name changes, particularly if P411 and TER IDs don't change. They usually keep those IDs and TER will often list a string of names in reviews for those who have changed names.
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That's certainly very rare, at least here. Here in the bay we have many girls taking up previous popular providers name, most of the time just because some people will hear the name elsewhere and assume it's talking about the new girl. Multiple Zuris, multiple Jamies, etc
One lady recently told me she had moved from one SJC org to anoher and since the org already had a lady of the same name on staff, he booker picked one for her. She was fine with it and went along with it. Curiously though the org used pics of another provider by the same name who to my knowledge has not visited the bay area in some time. She had some issues with the old org because the booker was salty because the lady left for a rival org. I told her thats unfortunate because her clientele from the old org were told by the booker that she cancelled. It was by she coincidence and luck (and booker fuckery) that she turned out be someone I wanted to see again anyway.
TLDR?: Sometimes internal shenanigans force k-girls to rebrand rather than shitty service.
This is a way to bring back the unpopular touring girls under a new name for the unsuspecting nob.
Who went by Ran, I believe.
She changed her name to Betty simply because she liked it better. Though, honestly, I don’t remember for sure if she started with Betty and changed it to Ran. Either way, it was just her decision. She didn’t move or change orgs. Because she was independent.
Back then it was more common for successful girls to go independent. No org involved.
But that was before the the Bay Area “one hour, no tip” monger culture upsurge that seemed to go along with a vastly increased emphasis on BBFS as well as the many fake STD reports by mongers against girls who wouldn’t go along with their BBFS demands. We don’t see anywhere near as many independent girls since that happened. Though other things contributed to the change as well. This has been discussed in greater detail in other threads.