Does any Los Angeles/SoCal K-girl agencies take P411 as a reference?

Asianworld in OC.  They were taking P411 last year, but I haven't heard lately if they are still doing it.  If not, they can screen you through employment as well.  The booker's a real pro.  No one at your work will know why he's calling you.  It's one of the best places to start if you have no prior Kgirl references.

If they can threaten to bl over a negative review if they figure out your forum handle, imagine what power they will have over you if they also know where your work.

of complete speculation from no personal experience whatsoever with this org.   Lol

And he's been so well behaved the last couple of weeks. Must have received lumps of coal in his XMAS stocking this year (again).

You mean just like your p411 piece of info you posted is not current?  

call you out for your uncertain info after I did it, too, so I have since verified that mine is still accurate.  P411 is accepted.  Your turn.  

To answer your question, because I'm interested in gathering, collecting and documenting recaps of bad experiences from any place on the net. I literally go and ask if anyone had such experience with org X y or z and people tell me. I openly state I want to consolidate and present these recaps because I feel they're underrepresented - usually because of fear of repercussions. Many of these folks had to take back their reviews in order to remain in good standing and don't want to go against the grain publicly and risk being BLd. I have zero issues to go against the grain tho.  

Words, nothing but words.  Rocket busted you so you had to come up with something.  HOW have you verified that your P411 info is still accurate?  By personal experience with P411/Asian World or by using rocket's method of gathering info from other mongers?

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Right. And more to the point he doesn't really seem to care if the rumors he passes on are true or not. Nor does he seem to be interested in exposing those spread false rumors or issuing retractions and apologies for any damage to others (both providers and other mongers) he may have produced.  

Which false rumors are you talking about?  
When something turns out to be false, I'm first in line to spread that info around.  

Again, be forewarned that gray has very spotty reputation at best. I'd say worse than Asian world.  

personally texting the booker.  How would you have done it?  Text messaging is this new thing they have where you can send a written message on a cellphone by typing it on a miniature keyboard on a touch-screen phone.  We no longer have to hit the number 2 three times to type a letter "c", like you do on your phone.  You get a pass if you didn't know about texting.  If you did, then this is probably the dumbest post you have put up on TER since the first day you got here.

are UTR services that will post disparaging reviews of restaurants at the behest of competitors, right?  YOU, and others who buy into unsubstantiated rumors, are their target audience.  

someone you trust?  And THAT makes it automatically true?  What if they got it wrong inadvertently and there was no intent to deceive you, but it's still wrong information?  I said it was your turn to do what I did.  Text the booker you chose to speak for on their P411 policy and make sure you gave the correct information.  That's how you clear up any confusion on what is true and what is false.  If you refuse, I can only assume that in reality, you know the booker that you are arrogantly speaking for will not even answer your text message.  Oh, that's right, you don't care if it's true or not, but you heard it from someone, so you are going to report on it without any verification of your own.  I read this sentence over twice, and your position sounds indefensible, so I can't wait to hear your justification.

Before I entertain a piece of information, I check whether or not the carrier has any red flags. I did not see any red flags from people who shat on Asian world (or rather, their san Diego chapter but we both know these are booked by the same people and owned by the same people). Some of them contacted me privately and some stated it publicly - after all, all I did was go to a public forum and ask if people had similar experience to the OC branch in terms of being threatened with bl. And sure enough some did.  

My God, you really trying to shut this thread down or something. I myself was verified via p411 many years ago with hobby shop (vac now) . That's what I was referring to. Whether or not the info is relevant currently, I do not know. I was just trying to help the op. Now, this was back in the day when you could make a p411 account without actually using your real info (if you know, you know).  

excuses than to update your post from speculative to factual.  If you are approved with the booker, then it should take you less than a minute to update your prior guess to a fact.  That's all it took me.  

Wait you want me to text a lv booker from my actual, bay-area based monger number and ask her about p411? Lmao

been in contact with Asian World for over a year.  Why would the booker even bother returning your text when, as you so often say, no one knows who CDL is?

"Wait you want me to text a lv booker from my actual, bay-area based monger number and ask her about p411? Lmao

gets a quick response from ALL bookers, regardless of the question.   If you were a Kgirl monger and high-volume, then you would know that. So would your co-troll, Rocket.  

one or more "hobby phones" that you use to book pussy and talk to Kgirls?  It would never occur to me to use my real life cell phone number in the hobby.  I'm surprised you thought that's what I meant.  

If a simple question is gonna cause all this drama and ballache, I guess I'm just gonna not go the K-girl route

The answer is really simple. The booker in question actually knows who cdl is irl. That's why cdl had no issue texting him in the middle of this back and forth (that he started btw)  not caring whether or not booker sees it and figures it out. Because Tim already knows who cdl is! Lol.  

you trolls haven't figured it out yet.  Some tech geniuses!!!  I have the same method with several bookers to talk to them as CDL and still remain anonymous so that they can't connect CDL to my real life persona.  There are some here bright enough to figure out how I do it, but I guess you're not one of them.  

I haven't been there in a year, I said it was a year ago that I last HEARD from anyone about them accepting P411.  Maybe you should read it again.  I think it was a pretty clear statement, but maybe you can explain what language I used that made it confusing for YOU.  I'm willing to slow things down a little for those that need it.  Just speak up if you need clarification BEFORE you post something that makes you look like a liar or someone stupid.  You can't be impulsive like this and expect to rehabilitate your reputation on this board.  Read my posts twice before you respond.  

Lol. If a booker reads the forum, anyone who asks him about p411 verification in that span your message was in (was it under an hour? ) is cdl. Isn't that super obvious?

He knows it was CDL that texted him, but he still can't connect CDL to the guy who sees girls at his org.  CDL has never booked with anyone who corresponds with him by PM here or on another board.  Get it, yet?  

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client as shown by the number of reviews.  My real life persona is a high volume client based on the number of sessions I book when using the phone number that I use for that purpose.  It sounds like you are saying that all high-volume clients can be the same guy.  I'm surprised you haven't figured it out by now, or are you appearing dense on purpose?  When I suggested you text him, I did not know that you do not have one or more dedicated hobby phones.  I realized that was probably the case from your response.  

Oh my God. It's like you refuse to understand what I wrote.

I find it astonishing that in all of these replies there seems to be only one of any value. Well, I can’t read rocket’s posts. But if he’s true to form all he has are second and third hand accounts. My apologies to the OP. The trolls on the Kgirl forum have gotten way out of control. All I can recommend is to use the TER Ignore feature to filter out the usual culprits. They’re pretty easy to spot. Most of them spend a great deal of time attacking and arguing with CDL rather than providing any real value.

I do it.  CDL has a dedicated phone number that is different than the hobby phone number I use for bookings.  This means CDL could be ANY customer the org has.  I instituted this many years ago after being PM'd by some bookers about things I was posting about concerning Kgirls on AF, and later on TER.  It was easier to just give them a dedicated number specifically for CDL than to be checking my PM's three or four times a day.  With a phone number, they get instant access to CDL if they text.  The texts are occasional, not something that happens daily or sometimes even weekly, but the means of communication is there if they want to ask me, or tell me, something.  At the same time, CDL can text bookers without having to book a session and they will respond to him because they know he's a major conduit for Kgirl info on this board.  I also have another phone number I give to Kgirls for texting, but it's used with my hobby name, not CDL.  This is the number that gets the most action.  (Kgirls that want to message CDL must use TER PM.)    Counting the phone number I use for my business and personal life, that's four numbers, total.  The three connected to the hobby rarely ring, but I get pinged if a text comes in.  I'm not going to give any more details.  This settles the matter of how I got my verification response so quickly.  Still waiting for yours.  You could spend the five dollars and do it my way, or you may know some other way.  Dare we hope you can figure something out overnight?

I mentioned a burner number several posts before that.  

his ass handed to him like you got yours handed to you.  Not surprised he got scared off.  Guys with phony intel often get scared off when they think they will be called out on it, but you keep believing whatever you want.  Someday, you just might deliver on your pledge to take down an org that you don't like.  Since you obviously have not been approved by this org, it's easy to conclude that your vendetta is some kind of retaliation for them not accepting you.  That's also pretty common among Kgirl mongers.  They badmouth the orgs they can't get into.  

Lol at this nonsense.

There are only a bare few posts here that are on topic. The rest of it is just digression and personal attacks.

I'm done with this phony on this topic.  

Who is the phony here?

Who's the phony here? Well Felcher Boy, on the one hand we have a 10+ year TER member who has posted 350+ reviews on TER, who contributes valuable information in the Discussion Boards virtually every day, and who has first hand information and experience on the topics he discusses. On the other hand we have a recent TER member addition who has posted 9 reviews (none in more than a year), shares very little valuable information, has no, or very miniscule, first hand information or experience about the topics he discusses, and creates drama and arguments virtually every time he posts on the Boards. So to answer you question Felcher Boy, take a look around your parents' basement and see if there's a mirror. If so, look directly into that mirror and you will see the undisputed phony of TER - IT'S YOU. It's sad that you've made your life's hobby to disrupt these Boards. Maybe for 2022 you can make a New Year's resolution to only post about what you know from personal experience, not what you've heard, not what you make up to try to create the illusion that you have more knowledge and experience than you do. If you try that maybe people here will begin to respect you, and maybe then you can begin to repair your reputation for dishonesty and lack of credibility. Give it a try. You have nothing to lose.

Don't let the drama on the board scare you away. I've never experience any of the types of crap some seem to claim is a constant experience with the K-girl agencies. I am east coast so perhaps that makes a big difference but most of the WC guys also seem to be quite happy with things there and not see all this crap as standard routine for them.

I agree with Jensen. The drama that the one bad apple brings to this Board has never been my experience either. I split my time between SoCal and Vegas. I've seen more than a few KGirls both places. I've had great sessions, really good sessions, and a couple of so-so sessions. I've written great reviews, and I've written some not so great reviews (my three most recent Vegas KGirl sessions post-COVID were just OK, and that was reflected in my reviews). I've also messaged bookers with feedback when sessions were great and when they were not. I've never had an issue getting booked or being bl'ed. Why? Because I'm honest and fair in my reviews. I tell both the good and the bad, and I do so in a courteous manner. From my experience if you do that and don't abuse the ladies you won't have an issue with the KAgency bookers. On the other hand, if you write vindictive or vitriolic reviews, or go scorched earth on a KGirl or an KAgency, you might have a problem. IMO, the drama and hate that the one bad actor brings to this board is all about drawing attention to himself. If you ignore that drama and pay attention to the more experienced and reasonable guys here you'll find that KGirls are truly delightful companions. Ciao!

As I’ve said before..