Are the rates quotes for K-girls a flat rate, or are tips expected?  If so, how much do you tip?

It's a personal choice. Some will say tip and you'll be rewarded. Others will say tip as these girls are almost all under paid and some will say tip if you feel like it.

 
In general I don't tip. I have given gifts (most of the time in money) but I generally don't consider them tips, and I don't think the recipient did either.

but they may be expected by some and are always appreciated by all Kgirls.  I tip every Kgirl I see.  If the session was below average, I don't repeat, but she still gets a tip.  If you do a search of this board, you will find many discussions over the years and explanations (including mine) of why I always tip.  Short answer is . . .  there are perks that may be important to some, but not to others.  That's why there is a divided opinion here on the pros and cons of tipping.

Lunar New Year, Mother's day, Christmas and Birthdays^^?

A gift is a tip. Just saying.  

I always tip. And pretty sure they show their appreciation with great service.

Yes, like that.

 
Or in some cases just some gift given on a random day like I might do with SO during a relationship or close friends.

How so. When you give or get a present from someone (birthday, big promotion, anniversary...) is that a tip?

 
I think the difference between a tip and a gift is the former is given in exchange for something else (tip - to insure promptness) like better service next time (or this time if given in advance) while a gift is given with not strings attached.

is not expected nor in Japan but I always tip a small amount

I've actually heard that tipping in Korea can be seen as insulting by the person you're giving the tip to.

FOTB the first or second day they were here and when I gave them the donation and tip together, they tried to give me back change, saying it was "too much."   So I explain it's a tip/gift to show my appreciation for a fun time.  Several have told me that in salon work, tipping is not the norm except with Westerners (Americans and Europeans).  As might be expected, their naivete about tipping does not last more than a day or two before they are totally on board with tipping.  Lol

In most cases, I do not tip.  

 
In our neck of the woods (bay area) pretty sure it's not customary to tip. Ive never ever heard any kgirl in bay area complain or ask for tips.  

 
I've had it happen elsewhere and I just shook my head as the kgirl had the nerve to ask for a tip after a pretty mediocre sesh (to put it lightly) where she was trying to cut corners and hustle me to the point I had to text PO during the session for her to give me msog.  

 
In SK from what I've read and heard, definitely there is no culture of tipping.

I’ve met more than a few k-girls in my life.

To say that they quickly become “totally on board with tipping” might just be an understatement, in my opinion.

I know it is popular here to claim there is little to no difference in a k-girl’s attitude and service when she knows she is getting a tip.  

That is completely the opposite of my experience.  

Of course, the difference varies quite significantly from girl to girl. And there are at least a few variables that can and will add to or subtract from the effect. Those variables have been discussed at length. As have the widely varying opinions regarding the value, implementation and advisability of the tipping practice itself.

The following well known caveats apply:

 * Your Experience May Vary
 * Your Opinion May Vary
 * Your Situation May Vary

As ever, any and all are free to agree or disagree as they feel inclined.

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Couldn't random day cash gifts be seen as a tip with a provider?
Especially, at the incall?
Given before or after the session, unless you specify, I'll treat you to a spa day, that skirt you wanted or just get something you've had your eye on.
Would it be cool to say, this isn't a tip, just extra money for you?

I had a kgirl just return my tip and said to just see her again hah

And i did see here again and again ...

Unless the session was just no good, lousy service and/or a bad attitude, I always give a tip just because I feel the Kgirl has it coming, all my opinion!
But, however the session goes, if I'm asked for a tip/extra money it stays in my pocket and no repeat!

It's a little confusing. If what was meant was, "a tip is a gift," that's always true. The reverse... not so much.
 
But I agree wholeheartedly that the service I started getting when I gave the tip up front was way superior in almost all instances to tipping after. There are cases where I've upped the tip at the end of the session because I was pretty much overcome by the service/not service, if you know what I mean.  
 
And then there are a handful of times that I wish I hadn't tipped her. The thing there is, I always give the tip separate from the base fee and put it on the nightstand to be left in plane view, and still I'll leave it even if I thought the service was subpar. It's sort of like, I feel like I made a bet and lost. It happens. But the odds have proven to be way in my favor.😛
 
A funny observation, sometimes they snatch the money from the nightstand when they think I'm not looking, as though they were stealing it. And I'm talking about the ones who earned it, it was theirs. What the??? Hahaha. It's hard to break some hooker habits, I guess.

more comfortable about agreeing with you.  Lol

 
My experience is the same as yours.  When I was new, I gave the tip at the end, but when I switched to the beginning, I noticed I was getting better sessions with new girls the first time I saw them.  It's expected that after the first tip, they will give a little more effort, but I decided, "Why wait until I repeat to get their best effort?"  

 
I usually put an extra fifty in the envelope with the donation when seeing a new girl.   Since they don't know me, I tell them to check the envelope and make sure it's enough.  They count and look up with wide eyes and a big smile.  I say, "Are we good?"  And then the action begins with much enthusiasm on both of our "parts."  (No pun intended.  Lol)

 
After this first-time routine, I always pay and tip at the end on repeats, and it may be more than the fifty I tipped the first time, but regardless of the amount, they know they are going to get a tip from me of at least fifty, yet another reason why my percentage of disappointing sessions is so low.  

A quick search shows it IS popular here to claim there is little difference in service with and without a tip, and to even discourage mongers from tipping. I positively know this to be wrongheaded. Tipping has cost me A LOT over the years, I even think twice about the practice when I tally what it's cost me... It's like a year's worth of serious mongering. No shit. But it's stupid to look at it that way, since what we're talking about is changing something that's important to me and where the tips, I am certain, made the sessions even better.  
 
Tipping is money well spent, as long as you agree with the premise that this hobby is worth the money!

first hit town, she was playing guys by giving back part of the donation (not just the tip, but the DONATION), telling them that she has never cum that hard with a customer before.  I won't list the names of the veterans here that fell for it and became regulars, stating what a stud they were in their review, but I'm sure they were embarrassed that they were played by her after my review came out. . . . .

 
After the first session, she did NOT offer to give me any money back, and I asked why she wasn't going to put this move on me.  She said,  "It won't work with you, you're too smart."  (Ouch.  The only time being smart cost me money.  Lol)  I told her that she's smart, too, and I would see her again soon.  We had a mutually respectful run as regulars for over a year.  

... especially if it's my first time with a girl. I never know how much I may be asking her to step outside of her comfort zone, and a think that should always be rewarded. I know that tipping has opened up doors for me to meet new girls, so it's a great option to have.

You’re the first person who seems to have understood the humor in that line.

I’m a little embarrassed now, though. Your reasoning behind tipping in advance for first visit is solid. Great suggestion.

Ditto!

Let me give you all a tip:   Tipping makes the service much better!

I’m considered wealthy but not rich. I define rich as being an asshole to get and keep money.  Wealthy is having money but not needing to flaunt it.  I’m very generous with my family and my UTR main squeeze weekly milfy sexy CGirl. Very generous. I just bought my CGirl’s daughter a car.  It was a gift. A tip.  I will always be welcomed to that home and excused for any of my deficiencies.  

The Kgirls JGirls CGirls are providing to elevate their lifestyle. Not to meet their basic needs. Tipping and gifts will be very appreciated as well as being nice clean and respectful.  

I contribute to their happiness because they contribute to mine.  

It’s that simple.  

How much?  At least 20% but I round up to a C note.  I usually fan out V C-notes.  For that I get whatever I want for as long as I want whenever I want.  It’s like a backstage pass.  

I once got stuck without a hotel room in Singapore.  My office booked the wrong weekend.  Formula 1 was in town.  There were absolutely no rooms available.  I called around. Nothing available.  I thought about going to the 4 Floors of Whores (Orchid Towers-Google) waving my dick and wallet around for some hot Cambodian chick who can let me stay at her flop house.  I called my sponsor Singaporean who told me to stay put. 1 hour later I was pulling up to Mandarin Oriental Hotel. Executive suite.  $1000/day.  I got a room. I also got a really sweet Vietnamese hottie who basically moved in for 5 days.  Did I tip her?  Yeah!  I gave her $2000 to keep me warm, fuck me silly, dine with me and not steal from me.  I took her shopping in the evening. She never asked for money or anything.  She only asked to use my cell phone to call her mother everyday.  

Be generous.  It pays in dividends not measurable in transactional terms.  That VGirl practiced saying my name (starts with an R) so many times I think she will name her first born male child after me. Lol.  

but I sure as hell get a lot of mileage out of it.  Lol    

 
I think psychologically, knowing the Kgirl work ethic, they understand that I am tipping on spec, and therefore TRUSTING them (even though I don't know if they are honest or not) to give me their best effort, so it's a show of faith on my part that puts a little subtle pressure on them to deliver.  

on that.
I always think that showing the Kgirls that they are appreciated is a plus!