Over the years I've always learned about the new agencies through the grapevine and back channel -- or when I notices some review that has some place I've never heard of.
Nice to have it just put out in the public for everyone to know about from the start. That way more of those who review will be aware and good info will follow.
looks like this new startup is expanding, there is a new kd starting Friday, besides the current 5' petite gem
This post sounds like an ad, if Im fully honest. These allowed before Friday?
Over the years I've always learned about the new agencies through the grapevine and back channel -- or when I notices some review that has some place I've never heard of.
Nice to have it just put out in the public for everyone to know about from the start. That way more of those who review will be aware and good info will follow.
You guys don't have Nova orgs using switter? Do they advertise anywhere? In the bay I know if/when there's a new org in two days tops.
I'm not entirely sure if it's within TER rules, I think a non-agency can't be advertised the same way on these forums,but maybe I'm wrong.
Still, it is rather good to see you support public information and knowledge vs grapevine and backchannels.
I only wish you had the same type of fervor when it comes to negative reviews/feedback in public. But I get it. Negative feedback is still only used privately within your group and your grapevine,as opposed to forums and/or reviews.
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Excuse my non California SPEAK ignorance .
What is DMV
DC/MD/VA.
Thank you sir.
DC-MD-VA (DMV) demand is strong and supply is low. They should do well.
found the new girl's previous reviews
one of the review mentioned she looks like Miss Korea Lee Hanee
WOW! 
So why not tell people publicly under what name her previous reviews could be found?
Did you even bother search, research ? If you did image search you then knew she uses the same name Seven in Boston and CA!
I did not do any search. You're the one who mentioned her reviews under old name....
Thanks for mentioning it now tho!
You and Shenandoah!
Her previous reviews are under the name "Seven", and I believe she has an average rating of 7.29 for Looks, and maybe 7.71 for Performance.
Google haneul Kim hee jeong lingerie set
New startup, same old lies 
Same garbage down to blurring the face of a model, for what?
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https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/detail/tessa-review-by-karnage187-2224310
No one should be expecting the photos to be of the actual provider. And it doesn't really mater given she has a lot of reviews.
LOL
You just were saying how public info is good info. I put it out in public so everyone would know without even vip access, and suddenly this is not valuable. You're not even hiding it anymore.
But since you're here trying to downplay these fake pics, care to say what is the purpose of blurring face in fake pics? Besides as to trick the prospective customer to think it's an actual pic?
"Nice to have it just put out in the public for everyone to know about from the start. That way more of those who review will be aware and good info will follow."
You forgot to say EXCEPT when it comes to information that might put the girl and org in a negative light. Hey, double standards yet again.
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I neither condoned or approved anything related to the pictures.
I will note the comment in the general details of the very first review -- which hardly seems like it's from some fake reviewer or promoter: "Not the girl as in the picture but very beautiful, VIPs i will repeat", This was from more than a year ago (June 2020).
So as I was saying your announcement that the pics are not her was worthless and potentially harmful to anyone in the area reading the board (and no knowing that you have this big jihad against the world if it doesn't follow your rules on "honesty") who was induced to move on without even looking at the reviews.
As I've said before, I think most here actually want to get information that steers them to good sessions. Yes, we all want to be warned about situations and providers we don't want to see. However, your post seems to be one that may well steer people away from something they would like. Very "pro monger" of you.
This is absolute nonsense - how was my comment harmful? I am simply stating the fucking truth. These pics arent her.
The fact that some review also mentions it doesn't make this truth any less of a truth.
If anything, people who don't read the reviews or don't have the ability to read then, actually gain that info from my post.
I'm sorry Jensen, but are you fucking out of your mind here? Calling a fake pic a fake is somehow harmful? Lolwut?
I see you also ignored my question of why whoever uses the pics - girls or orgs, who gives a shit - wants to blur out face? What is the purpose of such move when the pic is of a model?
I'm sorry, but I'm fucking livid here. Some of you actually think that pointing out someone is using fake model pics is "harmful" and "worthless" ?
I dont give a shit who is behind those fake pics. It could be prime Jessica alba mixed with prime tia carrere.
The fact is, the pics are of a model who has nothing to do with the girl. That fact I've communicated publicly. Trying to hide or downplay that fact is the opposite of pro-monger.
I'll be sure to monitor the nova scene and to call out each girl that uses fake pics loud and clear, publicly, on all boards I'm on. Sounds like yall like to keep the gen pop unaware of fake model pics. Thanks for alerting me to this.
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While I’ll agree it was odd to characterize your comment as harmful, it does seem you’re overreacting. Two replies saying essentially the same thing? “Livid”? You might want to lighten up a little bit.
Sorry, I take this too seriously to lighten up. And my second comment does say different things.
Damn right I'm livid.
To quote Andre 3000,
"Two things I hate - liars and thieves, they make my blood boil/boa constricted on my soul that they coil"
If he had been calling out a case where that was actually topical and new information I would not have said anything about it. As I said, the potential harm comes from anyone reading his post and thinking it's new information that perhaps refutes the reviews. Seeing that then then just move on to the next options. But no one in the reviews claimed that the pics were her pics so no one was going to make a decision based on the ad pic. Moreover, this was known more than a year ago.
Rocket just wanted to be critical and show how people don't do things the way he wants them to he will start "beating them up". He claims he wants open information but when K posted about the new agency what did Rocket focus on? That it must be some sell side post and then talked about they must want everyone begging to pay due to the acronym. That's just bullshit and I think he should get called on it. Particularly given his oft stated bit about sharing info and publicly at that. But his first comment here wan not informed but just his uninformed opinion aimed at shutting down the discussion on the new agency or to hijack it into some lets be critical and hateful about them (while not even being part of this market on the east side here).
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"the potential harm comes from anyone reading his post and thinking it's new information that perhaps refutes the reviews. Seeing that then then just move on to the next options. But no one in the reviews claimed that the pics were her pics so no one was going to make a decision based on the ad pic. Moreover, this was known more than a year ago."
Are you Mr fantastic? because you're reaching HARD.
Not everyone who reads the forum, reads every review or sees every girl. Guess what? I posted the same on another forum and for some reason me people it was new information,somwthing they weren't aware of. Seeing that a pic is fake is NEVER harmful to a monger. Stop saying nonsense. A fake pic doesn't cease to be fake over time, so novelty of information is irrelevant.
"how people don't do things the way he wants them to he will start "beating them up". "
More nonsense. Where am I beating up anyone? I simply said I want the public to know. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Seeing how the public is actually unaware. I've already expanded my operations to LA and I'm extending it to other places given I've done research.
You actively resist public information and you hate to see me criticize anything.
And what the hell does me being part of your market has to do with anything? A fake pic is a fake pic. I don't have to be in your city area or even a country to tell when someone is using a fake model pic and share it with others.
And the begging to pay for pussy was a joke on the acronym with me paying homage to GaG. Bad joke maybe. I did not imply anything tho.
That's exactly what I would expect from a K-monger. You've been pussy whipped and shit on by the bookers and orgs for so long that you don't even expect the photos in the ads to be the actual K-girl. You take what they give you without so much as a wimper.
Do you even know the raison d'être of TER? Do you think any hobbyist on any other TER board would say:
"No one should be expecting the photos to be of the actual provider."
Try saying that on any other TER board - you'll either be brutally vilified or laughed off the board.
And to say that the act of posting info about fake pic and its source is har_mful to mongers...and not seeing how his actions are literally anti-monger... what kind of a bizzarro ass world warped around twilight zone are we in?
I actually think too highly of Jensen to think he could've said something as so contradicting and ridiculous.
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...whether or not he said it. HE SAID IT!!!
"No one should be expecting the photos to be of the actual provider."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/hardly-valuable-input----and-rather-late-to-the-show-26964?page=1
Jensen hasn't walked it back yet, has he? He hasn't even used CDL's weasel words when CDL is busted but can't admit he's wrong: "I misspoke."
It's not just because I exposed the fake pic, but because it's in his back yard!
I did the same thing for new autokgirls org in the bay, and I've received nothing from him. Hell I even got some likes
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/auto-kgirls-model-pics-26663?view=1
Nothing from Jensen about how that is useless and harmful info.
But here in dc for a new org? Oh boy. Same thing happened when I pointed out that lixa/edelweiss pics were old and she's fatter than she is in pics. Was I right? Yes, yes I was.
Jensen was working extra time in his mother hen mode trying to "protect".
Jensen is just afraid of truth being posted in public because of how he thinks other monger will interpret the truth. So that's (another) instance of him thinking low of mongers ability to separate wheat from chaff. He can't just accept the facts and truth that might impact the providers. The truth is, those pics are fake pics of a model and edelweiss pics are not recent and show her far skinnier than she is. That is the truth and may come as surprise to people who don't spend hours reading reviews or forums.
If Jensen just accepts the truth, none of this happens. He instead tries to discredit me or my info or the truth as having less value in order to protect the providers. Shameful. His nonsense about causing harm, is pure nonsense. You don't get more harm by knowing more and being able to make more informed decisions. Or does he think ignorance is bliss?
Knowing a provider is fatter than the pics doesn't discourage everyone from seeing the provider, it just
gives people truthful info. Same with fake pics.
Jensen championed public info in this exact thread, and yet shunned any public info that may be interpreted as critical.
Me? I'm jast dedicated to tell the truth in everyone's backyard. A fake pic is just a fake pic. I'm not telling anyone to not see the provider if they have a fake pic, nor am I telling them to see the provider. I'm simply giving factual info. Many many mongers take pics for face value. Telling them the truth is the least I can do to help.
Oh and bigp, this isn't just limited to kgirls or even asian providers. All providers who use fake pics need to be known publicly imo so mongers know what they're getting into.
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Same thing happened when I pointed out that lixa/edelweiss pics were old and she's fatter than she is in pics. Was I right? Yes, yes I was.
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You are WRONG about Lixa's pics.
LOL
Yes rocket is great at "knowing" things as long as he is viewing from afar on his computer. Did he see her back when that discussion was taking place? I don't think so so the claim of "Was I right? Yes I was." is well captured by the old phrase "Legend in his own mind".
I was wrong about Lixa/Edelweiss having outdated pics? Jensen himself said that her pics were from two years ago. So, no, I was not wrong there unless Jensen lied.
Was I wrong about her having more weight?
She was looking near anorexic in some of those pics and you yourself said she's curvier than PC. Cdl also mentioned she was on the borderline of his chubby cutoff a few years back, around the time those pics were taken..
What was I wrong about again? Do tell. I have no issues admitting I'm wrong, especially since I have never seen her.
Reference:
Two statements I made:
1)these pics are old and outdated. Jensen himself said they're likely two years old.
2) she is chubbier than her pics from all info
You yourself said she's chubby, Jensen said "
What she has is a soft body -- evenly distributed body fat but still in good enough proportions to say better than "average"". Cdl said she was on verge of his cutoff.
Where is this evenly distributed fat on this pic? I see a damn near anorexic here.
So please, kindly tell me what I'm wrong about pertaining to this pic - was the pic I used here representative of her body at the time (7 months ago)?
So please, kindly tell me what I'm wrong about pertaining to this pic - was the pic I used here representative of her body at the time (7 months ago)?
And thank you for narrowing down your claims from "pics" to *one* of her photos.
Sorry I missed your answer initially.
So just to be completely sure, you consider the body type in the picture I posted as "curvy"?
I didn't narrow anything down, I used one of the pics in a particular set that she had as an example. My argument that her pics were old, and Jensen himself has called those pics two years od. In the other sets she looks like another woman with about 20 more pounds on her.
You seem incapable of reading what I wrote.
That statement was linked the the first review from a year ago and the profile it created what CLEARLY states the pics are of a different person. So ANYONE using the site for reviews certainly should not be expecting the pictures of this particular provider to be of her.
See. It's really not that complicated to understand was I was saying.
Jensen, you claim that anyone reading the reviews would see that it's not the person in the pics.
Yet you have an issue with me saying what that review states,claiming it could be of harm.
So you do agree that are people who don't read reviews or don't have access. And hence to them, the info I provide is new info because they were not aware before. So how the fuck does it harm them to know info they haven't known before? It's a giant contradiction
I didn't take exception to your posting something because you're "talking shit" in my neighborhood. If the profile was wrong or one didn't even exist then I would not have an issue. But you choose to tell one side of the known story. Why was that? How did you think your post was actually helping anyone?
If you had simply noted that the profile says the pics are of someone else and no one is reporting some type of bait and switch problem -- some even comment on how pretty she is and scores are good -- and then noted the pics are of a Korean model I would not have said anything. In fact, without the first review noting she is not the person in the pics you cannot even show that it's not her based only on the fact an image search matches to the model -- there have been a number of models that have actually been working girls too.
So let me ask you the following:
If you didn't know the guys who had personally seen the woman and the ad pics and knew first hand they were not the same on what basis did you conclude with such certainty they were fake?
If you did know what was in the reviews and the profile and what was being said in the reviews, why did you leave that out? Seems rather relevant from a "should see or pass" perspective.
"In fact, without the first review noting she is not the person in the pics you cannot even show that it's not her based only on the fact an image search matches to the model -- there have been a number of models that have actually been working girls too. "
Wow. I legit laughed out loud for about 10 seconds. You can't possibly be serious here. Lmao.
My point isnt a" one side of a story"nonsense you're trying to push. I can't even read reviews right now on here. I don't have vip.
I merely noted that the girl in her pics is a ultra famous model who clearly isn't her (and btw you never answered why people blur faces of models in their pics), because no, ultra famous models don't work as kgirls here. Stop.
This is the truth. The girl has fake pics of a model, with a blurred face to make some poor souls bite.
This post was for anyone passing by who doesn't care to even look at the profile. Or someone who Googled shit and will just read the topic. What part is I want anyone know without reading reviews or profiles?
"If you didn't know the guys who had personally seen the woman and the ad pics and knew first hand they were not the same on what basis did you conclude with such certainty they were fake?
"
Because 100% (yes, 100%) of girls I've seen and many of my monger online friends have seen using a famous model pic were not the girls in the pic. You're grasping at straws here.
One more time
This girl uses fake model pics =truth
Pics are not of her= truth
This is a shitty practice =my opinion
Blurring of faces is made so people think it might be real pic =opinion, but I can't figure out any other reason to do so
If you've never went with what Nigerian prince said you should do to get his money?
The answer is the same for the question you asked me!
I'll give up trying (again) to have a reasonable discussion with you. But to answer the question we have a lot of reports (reviews) of the game being a ripoff for the Nigerian prince.
In this case, while it's know that the pics were of a different person the reviews clearly showed that this was not a bait and switch or ripoff case. Even without VIP with about 80 reviews in a year it's pretty clear that people are not warning anyone away. As for the "famous" model, well famous to who. I've never heard of her. If she's a VS model I would agree it's very unlikely (about as likely as actually getting the prince to pay) but you just said lingerie model -- and I've fuck Asian lingerie models for pay before so....
You want to have a reasonable discussion with me after telling me in my face that noting a fake pic is har_mful to mongers? That's rich and a joke.
I've yet to see anyone in any forum ever say that. You're the first one to ever say that. Most people either just say thanks or at least acknowledge thhe info gathering.
Do you actually really think that fake pics are only relevant to discussion if its a bait and switch or a rip/off? Im sorry to say this, Jensen, because I try to not use ad hominem. But is your brain functioning? And by the way, having a fake pic of a model is the definition of a bait and switch.
Yes, you are correct that we know Nigerian scams are in fact scams partly because of reports (and part because of common sense). And just like that - common sense - I know that a popular Korean model isn't using her photoshoot pictures as is for her side whor...er, escorting job at Tysons corner. I haven't seen (or heard any reports of) Korean models with multiple famous korean photoshoots and thousands of followers using their pics in this kgirl world. All agency kgirls - and all cgirls for that matter - that use lingerie or erotic model pics -- are not the girls in the pics. I believe you are the one who was trying to say the other day that girls try to hide their identity. Why would they use real photoshoot pics that are available to millions and known to thousands?
My God, you really gonna d/ie on this "if provider is good then fake pic does not matter" hill? It does matter. It always does. Whether this girl is my atf or the woat session, if she using a fake pic I see it as obligation to say that to people who have no other means or maybe aren't technically gifted to search for the image. What part of that isn't clear. A random monger knowing that a fake pic is used will always have more info to make a more informed decision than if he doesn't have this info. There's a fucking reason the two most common questions asked in people's pms to me/private groups are "are her pics real" and "does she do bbfs". No, her pics aren't real. Stop getting mad at the truth.
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Hey Papasan, one of my pet peeves is the use of fake and overly PS'd ad pics. Especially when the girl behind the door is good looking, use the real pic! Some providers use blurred pics and it's really them and you get a pretty good idea of what they look like. Just wondered if you had a way to or an idea to make the orgs stop? Seems kind of impossible, what's your take on the situation?
"The internet is forever" is an old saying. Providers have the right to retreat into private life without having their photos follow them forever. As long as you can get an idea about her body and the pics aren't PS'ed then it's fair.
As far as the use of fake and overly PS'ed ad pics, I'd say it depends on what you see when the door opens. If she's as pretty, has as good a body and is about the same age, then I'd go ahead with the appt.
But if it's a really bad bait and switch, then you should follow the advice of the esteemed GaGambler who said:
"If offered an inferior product I simply refuse to pay for it and I turn around at the door, NEVER to return again. I don't worry about them blacklisting me, I blacklist them first. See how easy that is, now if all mongers would simply stop putting up with this kind of thing, (wishful thinking, I know) the problem would go away in no time. But by going through with the session, even after being lied to, it's YOU that is helping to perpetuate this kind of bad behavior by the orgs, not me."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/being-trustworthy-is-only-half-the-battle-20589?frmSearch=1#20589
That's really the only way to get the orgs to stop - refuse to go along with their bait and switch. As you say, it seems kind of impossible. The only way to fight the orgs' bait and switch virus is by reaching "herd immunity", i.e., if at least 85% of K-mongers refuse to be infected by the B&S virus by turning around at the door, walking away and never returning to that org's girls.
It's tantamount to a boycott, and boycotts have never been popular with K-mongers. But it's worth a try with the most egregious of the orgs. If everyone boycotts that one org and lets that org and all the other orgs know why they're doing it, maybe that one org will go out of business and the other orgs will get the hint.
Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it!
chill rocket! you spend too much time digging old posts, picking up fight.
my guess, you're probably not too much into Kgirls, since you and a few are always nitpicking and arguing.
I rather spending more time in the bedroom with these lovely kgirls then typing here
I fail to follow your logic, 5Q
Im not into kgirls because I nitpick and argue? I am a part of many online communities for most if not a of my hobbies and I do the same thing there. I am passionate and care enough. If I didn't care, guess what? I wouldn't post here.
And hell, even if I were fucking five kgirls a day, that's still only five hours a day. Plenty of time to still talk about it in communities.
I did not pick fight in this thread. Your private group buddy did by telling me that my truthful info is worthless.
If you think me saying a fake pic is fake is picking a fight, then, well, I won't ever stop fighing. Lol.
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looks like when you're just an observer? I didn't know because I'm usually involved. LOL
I will add my own perspective on this topic since I have actually seen at least ONE of the girls going by "Seven." If you look at the LA profile for Seven, and read the reviews as Jensen suggests, you will learn some things about what is really going on. The first girl who was Seven had only one review from 2014, unfortunately from a guy who had a reputation for not being accurate in his reviews. Nice enough guy, but a little sketchy sometimes. Fast forward to 2017, and another girl shows up as Seven. This girl was taller (I put her at 5-8, and I am a stickler for accuracy in physical descriptions and I often correct erroneous info in profiles in the first paragraph of my reviews) as some of the other reviewers stated in 2017. IT WAS CLEARLY HER FIRST TIME IN THE U.S., so she was NOT the same girl who was 5-3 in 2014, just using the same name and she stayed less than 90 days. I saw her twice. The 2017 Seven was not only tall, but rather full-figured. I called her curvy at the time, and she was curvy enough that I put her weight at the time at about 145 -150, and I compared her to Brie, who was 160 and 5-10, and was one of my regulars for several months back in 2015-16. Now we fast forward again to 2021, and we have a girl who is back down to 5-3 to 5-5 (profile says 5-5, some reviewers say shorter than that).
What I think we have here is three different girls erroneously put onto the same profile, which may or may not have been accurate in the first place considering the original source. As Rocket reminded me once, names get recycled through multiple girls all the time. I can confidently add that neither the girl in the photos, nor the girl in the agency ad in NoVA are the same "Seven" that I saw in 2017. That's as far as I can sort it out without reading every word of this 12-foot thread, which I'm not about to do. LOL Maybe this helps, maybe it doesn't, but that's my take.
While I was focusing on Tessa, people might have to do some more research bor Seven apparently. Although 5q is an extremely prolific monger who has undoubtedly very close PO connections, so its hard to think he missed this one. Interesting.
Either way, thanks cdl. I mean it. This is indeed helpful info that might get lost in my ramblings.
Seven was on my TDL last week before other priority popup, might still visit her during my break w/ priority, then update!
Just read a report elsewhere that she is not the in pics. TER says "photos accurate"...
Can NoVa folks comment on the validity of pics since getting different info here?
Also, this org is just a rebrand of the old one right?
Thanks in advance
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read that too. one of the hobbyist gave her a 6 from the other site (Overall, looks: 6/10, personality: 10/10, service: 10/10.)
i'm debating myself go or no go? plus still tied up w/ priority.
re. rebranding: looks like it, however, according to grapevine, after last bust, previous po has been on the run, totally out of the area, probably not the exact same po starting this new one. maybe linked but not the same po. And, per, current petite kd, this is new extension from bos
just something i heard
I'm not telling people to not go see her, btw. Or to go see her,lol.
Simply stating I'm not sure her pics are real, because I have conflicting info. Personally I'm all about service so how the girl looks (unless she's completely busted) I'd near irrelevant to me.
profile from 2014, then the photos probably WERE accurate with that girl, but as I explained, I don't think this current girl is the same as the 2014 girl OR the 2017 girl named Seven. Profiles are not updated with each review. They are set up by the first reviewer, and are nearly impossible to get changed after the fact.