Number one, tell us which region you're in. Some areas are very demanding and secret-soxiety like where process of screening can take a while. Bay area is the opposite,for example

but it would help if you can tell us which area of the country you will be trying to get screened for.  There are some slight differences, and I think there's only one guy here that will jump right in without knowing if his info is going to be applicable to you.  

to the location question, here's link to the answer to your question number 7 from 6 years ago . . . .

By all means, the OP SHOULD bring boxes of chocolates to K-girls.  Not because they want them (they don't), but because they can re-gift them to CDL who will then give them to his employees.

Since you're in LA, I'll let other guys answer. But from what I've seen and heard, at least booker gray positions himself as noob friendly. But his rep looks to be shaky. Pepsi palace as well I think. Again, the LA peeps should know the scene and should tell you.

such as flowers and certainly not on a first meeting.  It's not a real date.  If you're really set on bringing something that is not cash you should be able to carry it in a small to medium bag because it does not draw attention.  For me, personally, the last time I brought a gift was for my ATF a while back and at that time I had established a "relationship" with her and knew some of her interests.

Absolutely do not bring a gift.  

chocolates are okay but they should be brought concealed within a grocery store bag.  You don't walk through the complex with a box of Sees in your hand.  The grocery bag gives the impression you are a resident and belong there, and are just coming home from the market.  Residents will not give you a second look.  

Classic Rocket.  "There are bookers . . . . ", but I personally have never talked to any, but I HEARD there was ONE.  LOL

Huh? I never talked to a booker in my life via voice.
Why would I want to expose my voice there?
I texted many a bookers tho

I see the most girls.  

Since that's what he's asking about.  Are you saying you have texted SoCal bookers?  Which ones?

I wouldn't reach out to a booker unless you can actually book that day.  If I was in your situation, I would take any that was available at a time that works for me.  Having a booker screen you, only for you to say "no thanks I'll book later" seems like a quick way to get labeled as a time waster.  

3.   If you can't comply with whatever the request is for screening, you are always welcome to suggest an alternative.  It's up to the booker whether he/she will find it acceptable.  Linkedin is acceptable with some, and if you are comfortable sending a photo of your company ID card, that's a possibility, too, but before showing it, try to get a commitment that they will accept it in lieu of whatever you are substituting it for.  

With only minor variations (minus the PII - that was less important back then) this is pretty much what I did to get started with kgirls long ago.  

No, that's not what I said at all. Do you have reading comprehension problems?

If you ask for a specific girl, get screened and that specific girl is booked for most of the day with maybe one or two openings you can't make.... I think it's perfectly fine to say you'll book another day.

Are desperate, but they also get the third tier girls who veteran mongers who are approved at the established agencies will not see. They count on newbies who don’t know any better to keep them in business.  I’m not saying it won’t work, but you’re going to waste a lot of money on substandard Kgirl pussy. If this has been your game plan, no wonder your disappointment percentage is so much higher than everyone else’s.  There’s no free lunch in this business.  The things that come easy are seldom worth it.  It’s better to follow the time-tested strategy to get established with the major orgs.  The three P’s apply.  Politeness, persistence and patience will get you in eventually.  

I haven’t heard from anyone trying to qualify in more than a few months. But last year in the Bay Area we were hearing that it was easier than LA/OC to get OK’d.  

Maybe in your neck of the woods they are...many newer orgs here in the bay use existing girls, many of whom certainly aren't subpar. For example, two service queens I like got their own orgs after splitting up from others. They running their own little orgs now.  

in CDL's neck of the woods I suspect his comments are relevant to this thread. Comments about the BA neck or the woods, well.

I agree. It wasn't meant as a disparaging comment of any kind  

Felcher Boy just wants to start arguments. The end.

he was talking about SoCal, and yet, you insist on confusing the issue by giving him unsolicited info about other places.  Who cares on this thread, except you?  

But here are the new org startups all driven by particular girls splitting from bigger orgs and from elsewhere like LA:

That would be novel. And completely contrary to one of the major drivers of the success of kgirl orgs. They aren’t perfect at ensuring minimum appearance standards are met. But, in my experience, they do it better than any other agencies in this business.

although I would argue that a few of these COULD work in LA if they could find an opening.  Your argument is that Newbies should flock to see these girls who have started their own org because the screening is lax?  How many of these four have you been to, or was this just a technical exercise for you in finding them?

Many of these girls can and do work in LA. Mia is fresh from LA. Clover aka Stephanie I believe worked in LA. Kira is one of my favorite service girls at this point and she's worked in LA before. And yes most girls are pse because that's what the demand is in the bay area.

Second this. There are at least three new orgs that have popped up here in the last couple months and the lineups have been on point.

Just like with magnum friendly kgirls, though, I don’t publish a list. Right now my list is too out of date to be useful anyway.

gone independent have usually reached a point where their business is almost entirely made up of regulars, so this gives them a baseline income to make it worthwhile to go on their own and take their regulars to the new location with them.  It makes good financial sense if they are sure their regulars will stay with them.  Finding a new booker is not difficult.  

die either.  Lol

as you claim, and they are still touring, it means they went on their own prematurely.  Being successful as well as completely independent requires a strong base of regular customer that you can count on for sufficient revenue to pay all of the overhead of being an owner and make a good living.  There are a few girls in SoCal that tried the independent route in the bay area and failed.  Rents are too high and regular customers are not always consistent and reliable.  The average age demographic is lower, which means regular customers do not stay loyal as long.  SoCal is a better place if they are going to try going indie.  The fact they just opened and are already touring shows a miscalculation on their part as to their own popularity.  Maybe they are popular "elsewhere", like you.  

P411 is how I've been cleared at k-girl orgs.  I'm glad they are starting to accept that since it makes it way easier for me.  I won't hand over my work info to anyone just to get some booty.  I understand everyone doesn't feel the way I do, but that's pretty much my line.

We've got people from both sides of the country and north and south. Might even consider mentioning the agency that is now using P411 for the OP -- if it's in his market (LA/ SoCal IIRC)

I might consider that, but most people that are on P411 can read and comprehend things.  I'm sure the OP will sort if out.

Wow, talk about misrepresenting claims.

who splits off from her org and starts a new org with her as the boss is NOT going independent?  That doesn't make any sense.  Any girl who leaves an org and then either remains a single or recruits other girls to work for her is, by definition, INDEPENDENT from the other orgs.  It doesn't matter if they have other girls as partners or not.  When they BECOME their own boss, on any level, they are independent from the other agencies.  You also said that some of these girls that go on their own still tour, and I said, then they went independent prematurely.   Read my post again with this in mind and it might make more sense to you.  If they have to tour to make ends meet, then they didn't have enough regulars to support themselves when they left the org.  

She wasn't that "independent" considering where she got the funds to start her operation in Vegas.

Maybe it's semantics or something but that's how I view it.  

We were talking about Kgirls who split off from an org and become the BOSS of their own org.  That's not the same as Sam's org splitting into subsidiaries to frustrate LE efforts.  Are you claiming that when Sam broke up his big org into smaller ones that it somehow proves that when a GIRL splits from an org, she is not independent?  You example does not relate to individual girls splitting off, so you still have yet to give an example that is on point with our discussion.  Does that mean you have conceded my point, and that's why you are changing the subject?  

For fucks sake....

went independent.  Go back to my earlier post where I said she is still independent, even if she hires other girls or has partners who are co-owners and therefore also independent.  Just because she has employees does not mean she is NOT independent form the org she worked for before.  You keep trying to change your narrative to include other working girls.  Until THEY split off from the org they are working for, they are NOT independent.  I never said they were.  Only the girls that split off from the org are independent.    You admit she left Sam's and started her own org.  Ergo, SHE is independent of any other org.  That doesn't make her girls independent, too.  They are still org workers, but now with HER org and not someone else's.  

Because when this girl still works, she is not considered independent, but a part of agency!

You also don't know what "boss" means.

We really don’t need you posting reminders of just how stupid you really are.

We really need to get this guy his own K-girl subforum where he can obsess over the business and marketing, including helping them with research on pricing strategies so they can raise prices again, of K-orgs.  

if he doesn't get it after this, he's a lost cause.  

It's like he is going into a restaurant and telling them he is part of a large group, but tonight, he will be dining alone.  Lol

I've never, ever seen a girl who is a boss of the agency but still listed on the page of agency, be referred to as "indie" or "independent" kgirl. Not on any forums and not in any reviews.

He won't. Felcher Boy clearly aspires to BPOS status, but even a rebuke from the BPOS himself won't convince him to agree. Simply put, he's a lost cause.

on stupid looks like, for those that didn't know.

Once again, I'll readily admit that it's semantics. Yes a boss of an org is independent from old org. Yet customers view her as part of an org, especially those who know nothing about her being the boss.

That's YOUR way of trying to save face when you are dead wrong.  You don't know shit about business in general.  Big P gave you a great analogy using mechanics in the same situation that was spot on and you still cling to your stupidity.  

Bob Dylan said it as everybody is serving someone!

Let me say this, if I got/caused you two to bury the hatchet, then good

Answering *to* someone somewhere.

True.  

to confine the fisticuffs to the P & R board, which is a free-for-all when it comes to insults from everyone.  Despite our differences, if he says something I agree with, I will still say so.  LIkewise, there have been times that he publicly acknowledged things that I got right.  This doesn't mean we have buried the hatchet on EVERYTHING, but on some things that we are in agreement on, there is no point in arguing just because we disagree on OTHER things, mainly politics.