Anybody remember Halski?
I think you guys can keep in your pants for a week or so
Lets boycott these kdolls (even thought i love them) for 2 weeks
let the bookers we mean business...
no more fake reviews..no more fake pics...
let them hurt for awhile
maybe price will go down!
getting a bunch of horny whore mongers to boycott the K-Girls for two DAYS, much less two weeks is about as likely as the board getting together and refusing to acknowledge BLPOS's posts. It is NOT going to happen. Not today, not tomorrow, not EVER.
And if you think prices are going to go DOWN considering how low K-Girl prices are compared to White/Black/Latina providers are already, you really are delusional. Now put the crack pipe down before you hurt yourself. lol
Did you start drinking even earlier today than usual?
"White/Black/Latina providers?" What happened to "indies" that you vowed to keep using? "White/Black/Latina" - kind of unwieldy, don't you think?
A mind is a terrible thing to waste...and yours is wasting away due to your alcoholism. Sad!
If I recall correctly, and my memory dead fucking drunk is good enough to catch your stone cold sober lies, is that I suggested we simply call them "non K-Girls" but it was YOU who had the issue with the term "Indy" quite frankly I never gave a fuck, nor do I now. Nor do I give a fuck what you say or think.
Lets make a deal, I'll do me and you, well you can just piss off. How does that sound for a great fucking deal?
Its not paint thinner....its lacquer thinner!
Just pissed driving to find out girl not the one promised!
Oh well.....
Maybe an accurate review would be a swift kick in the ass?
sag
Why am I not surprised your from CA, lol
Yeah, it can suck and all I can say is glad I'm not west coast.
If you were using lacquer thinner, PLEASE put the crack pipe down. No need to try for a Richard Prior impersonation.
More to the idea you suggested though, rather than suggesting a boycott and abstinence you might get more participation if you suggested swapping out to non-K providers. You might even be able to hold out for more than a couple of weeks. Sadly, (well not for me) I won't be joining in as I have very short drives to some girls who are the same as in the pics and who are berry berry good to me 
its what incall hos charge in korea. heck some places in Seoul charge in the 350 range. and then theres upcharge for if you want additional service like cim, rimming, or prettier girls etc.
like i said before you bros in US don't realize how lucky you are. the service is so much better in the US.
to those who argue, you banged hot chos and thos in china or thailand for 10 cents a day. but no offense just can't stand their language. sounds like finger nails on chalkboards. just deflates my loverod.
Where the hell are you seeing girls in Seoul??? Aren't you Korean?? You're getting charged foreigner prices man.
An "OP" in Gangnam-yeok goes for around $200, GFE. Most have "early bird" type specials as well, so it can be around $150. If the girl likes you, she'll go BBFS. A luxury "anma" will be around $250. A "full salon" with unlimited alcohol and car service with fucky in the noraebang and then fucky at the hotel either upstairs or next door is around $400.
Service in Korea is way better too. Whenever I go (which is yearly for 2 months except this year), I'll go to a few OPs and hook up with the girls OTC. I'm 2nd generation, but I don't have the label as "gyopo" so girls don't mind hanging out with me OTC.
Yeah, I have no idea where you're getting your prices and what kind of girls you're seeing.
It’s been too long since I went to Seoul for me to state what current prices are. But the prices you are talking about are much more in line with my experience than the post to which you are responding.
Though, I have to admit, that my mongering in Seoul has always been “sponsored” by Korean natives who were showing me around. They would simply make introductions. But that apparently meant I didn’t have to pay those foreigner prices that I heard others were stuck with. And significantly prettier girls as well.
It’s always best to have a friend show you around in Korea. They tend to be a bit, well, xenophobic and insular without that.
Yeah, having a Korean with you most definitely helps. Most foreigners, especially those that don't speak Korean, are usually relegated to using the RLDs. It is possible for foreigners to use escort services, find a foreigner-friendly full salon, or a mediocre anma, but be prepared to pay some high prices.
I have no idea where dancebbq is getting those numbers or his "experience" that the service is worse.
Agreed. Last year in Seoul was $200 at Fish Anma. Excellent quality!!!
Where the hell are you seeing girls in Seoul??? Aren't you Korean?? You're getting charged foreigner prices man.
An "OP" in Gangnam-yeok goes for around $200, GFE. Most have "early bird" type specials as well, so it can be around $150. If the girl likes you, she'll go BBFS. A luxury "anma" will be around $250. A "full salon" with unlimited alcohol and car service with fucky in the noraebang and then fucky at the hotel either upstairs or next door is around $400.
Service in Korea is way better too. Whenever I go (which is yearly for 2 months except this year), I'll go to a few OPs and hook up with the girls OTC. I'm 2nd generation, but I don't have the label as "gyopo" so girls don't mind hanging out with me OTC.
Yeah, I have no idea where you're getting your prices and what kind of girls you're seeing.
I'm literally looking at ads right now in Seoul. One of the top OP (AAMP-type) in Gangnam is $195USD for 90 minutes and 2 shots. In one of the best luxury anmas (spas), it's $230 for 2 shots @ 70 minutes + 40 minutes in the spa. I was actually wrong about the Full Salon (different from Room Salon)... It's around $250USD.
I literally have no idea where dancebbq is getting his numbers LMAO.
In my experience and opinion, all that a boycott would net us would be a price increase. And we all know that if the price goes up, it doesn’t ever go down.
But any and all are free to disagree.
I hear that prices and upcharges are going up in LA. Some places charging 400 for the, uh, pse services.
Compare it to the bay where we have 220 everything included... but here too, some are going to 260ish. Lala for example been charging 250 for a while.
But not 400,lol
As far as boycott, it can work, but it needs to be an organized effort in a visible place. At least one where pos and org affiliates read posts.
If you boycott you only will lose the girls to other markets. There are very wealthy mongers out there that give some 10-30k month. Boycotting works for products and businesses, not for the men who want pussy. You are in the minority my friend. I session 3x a week usually. I can't go one week without the company. A problem I love to have.
And the other thing to think about is even if everyone on the west coast reading this board were to join in, it is probably less than 10% of the market and possibly fairly easily replaced.
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This is part of the point I was thinking of when I posted a counter opinion to the idea of a boycott.
We in the Bay Area did have a boycott that worked, if I recall correctly, back in the bad ole rouge livre days. But back then they were pretty much the only game in town. They were by far the best review site. And they were also the most effective ad site. A true one stop shop. Everything else was a mess back then.
Both the providers and the mongers have spread out and diversified in pretty significant ways since those days. Multiple boards and groups for the mongers. Multiple ad platforms for the providers. No one group has anything even close to the influence required for an effective boycott anymore. In my considered opinion.
I agree with your assessment for what will drive up prices if anyone disrupts the market at this point in time. The orgs, like many of us, have been running through their cash reserves already. If something else negatively impacts their ability to drive revenue they will inevitably start taking counter measures just like any other business. Increasing prices being one of the easiest for them.
Frankly, even seeing this kind of discussion in the forums will already have them thinking about it, I’m sure. I suggest we move on before any further damage is done. Do we honestly think they aren’t reading these threads and putting contingency plans in place already?
Still, I get it. The photo situation is an irritation. But, to me, it’s not worth poking at the orgs and getting them to decide that, if we want better service from them, then they have an excuse to raise prices.
I’ve studied this for a long time. I simply do not agree with those who believe this stuff is more than just a minor irritation. Yes, it affects the new guys. And they have plenty of resources to use here on TER to address that irritation.
If you look at it analytically, who is this really affecting? New guys? People who TOFTT? If that’s the case, and I believe it is, then the solution is simply to limit TOFTT activity and provide better resources for new guys to get the answers they need (post a thread that details how to get around photo issues).
If we limit TOFTT, we accomplish a far more targeted goal than a broad boycott that we realistically have no way of implementing anyway. If limiting TOFTT affects the org’s ability to get people to see new girls, then they’ll have to come up with better methods of advertising them. I would suggest that addressing some of the stated concerns about photos would be one of the most effective ways to do so.
This is all just my opinion. Any and all are free to disagree.
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Few things here.
First, I'm not sure who you were agreeing with "I agree with your assessment for what will drive up prices if anyone disrupts the market at this point in time." I reread all posts and aside from yourself, no one said the prices will rise if market is disrupted. In most cases, responding to boycotts or attempts at boycotts with raising prices is not the wisest choice.
People also murmur about boycotts against price hikes. I hear these ramblings. And obviously, raising prices if people are boycotting raising prices, is essentially pouring gasoline on a fire.
"I suggest we move on before any further damage is done."
What further damage? I don't get this at all. If you're suggesting that anything criticizing orgs and suggesting boycotts can get orgs riled up and raise prices, wouldn't it mean you're against criticizing orgs in general? If so, that would explain A LOT in your general position on this site here. And if so, it's a rather, uh, appeasement-oriented position, don't you think?
We can discuss economics and market dynamics as well as org history at another time. Your predilection for always jumping to the conclusion that anyone who doesn’t agree with you is siding with orgs I simply won’t bother with. It’s just silly.
Now, did you read far enough to get to proposed solutions or were you in such a hurry to send a response that you didn’t get that far? If you did read them, what is your response?
Interesting. You're the one who brought up agreeing with someone about economics, I merely asked who did you agree with. Because no one else posted what you agreed with. Now you want to discuss it at another time. Um OK. Lol. Your whole point was based around the concept of boycotts or even incitation or instigation of them resulting in orgs raising prices.
I did not say or even imply you're siding with the orgs. I merely said that if you employ the logic of "let's not go further or orgs will do X", then it means you are afraid of orgs pulling something after reading something on forums, which further means to me you don't think things that criticize orgs behavior or inciting mongers to withhold money, should be stated on a public forum. Which, in turn, would explain many of your positions here.
I've read your "solutions". My response? Imo it isn't going to help much, but I welcome any mechanism that would help newbies. With that said, what are your actual suggestions at limiting toftts? Private channels? Nope,this isn't going to help. Posting a thread that tells how to get around the photo issues? What does that even mean? How do you do that? If someone is looking for eye candy, how can they even see what they're getting until they've walked through the door?
Limiting toftts is a concept that makes little sense in conjunction with yours and many others review policies.
Someone will always have to take a tofft.
What you can do, is ensure after a toftt, there is clear, honest reviews and feedback,in all and any public places possible. Which is what I was advocating in the first place on here. If, after the first day, there are multiple responses in all public channels to this girl, and all truthful and honest ones, a toftt stops being a toftt after. You have some reviews to go by. The issue is, many mongers will be hesitant to post truthful non_positive reviews in the first day or two, because they're... wait for it... probably afraid for their handle to be connected with the actual person. Something that we also discussed before.
Maybe you will get that idea of everyone submitting timely and accurate reviews for every session accomplished here. It will be a first if you do. But you’re welcome to keep banging your head on that brick wall.
Interesting how quickly you dismiss limiting TOFTTs without once even considering or addressing how it might be done.
One of the best known and relatively effective ways to limit risky behavior like TOFTTs is by pure and simple education. Just like sex education for kids. Make people aware of risks, consequences and alternatives has proven to be pretty effective at helping people avoid risky behavior. It’s not 100%. But it’s far better than doing nothing.
I think in this case, you’re just the man for the job. Please let us all know if we can be of any help.
I did not dismiss limiting toftts.
I said it's largely incompatible with your and others views on reviews. And I see as reviews as the largest factor in a girl being a tofft
The definition of a toftt implies it's a chance taken on a new girl without having public or private information to go by. Many mongers don't have or don't want to have to acquire information through private channels, so I'm focusing on public ones. I hope you're following so far. Once the cat is out of the bag (by the way, pig in a poke is an expression that originated from people selling a cat in the bag, pretending it to be a pig - useless trivia!), it ceases to be a toftt.
I do want to hear the implementation. That's as much as I said, actually. Educating on what? How to reverse image search? How to tell PO is bsing you? How to identify a rebrand? All these are good things, but all of them combined won't limit a toftt as much as a single review can.
Yeah, I know...
ok i agree with what you are all saying
so I have an idea!
why dont we start a thread posting the kdolls that dont match the picture?
This way we dont piss off the bookers
but we know who and where the pics dont match
Being afraid to piss off bookers is stupid. Sorry.
As far as your suggestion, itd be easier to post kgirls who actually match the pictures.
Posting photo issues has been done on multiple other forums in which I have participated. So far, it’s always been easier to post comments about problematic photos. Not just the “verified” ones.
But, frankly, I don’t care which way it gets implemented. Either way will accomplish the same goal.
No matter what we choose, it will be far better than going on the pointless rant-a-round with rocket on this topic. We all already agree that there is an issue. Most of us, I’m sure have been aware of the issue for a very long time. Otherwise we wouldn’t have had all of those photo threads on other forums.
The fact that it is a good bit easier to get around photo issues, in my opinion and apparently that of at least a few others on this forum, here on TER is a separate topic we can all reminisce about over a virtual beer sometime.
Will posting orgs whose photos are perpetually fake not "negatively impact their ability to drive revenue"?
Because if it will, wouldnt you suggest to "move on before any damage is done?" as well?
It's pretty interesting how you used fear mongering - - yes, pun intended - - to imply that if mongers start speaking up collectively, they will be hit with higher prices. If you didn't say you were a monger with no org ties, It would almost sound like a threat.
Newsflash - the goal of most boycotts is to hit the bottomline and damage the revenue as much as possible. Hit em where it hurts the most - their pockets.
Its ironic how we went from "none of screaming changes their advertising model" to "no no no, even mentioning boycott can make them change prices, hush hush hush". From 0 to 60 in a second.
Posting photo issues has been done on multiple other forums in which I have participated. So far, it’s always been easier to post comments about problematic photos. Not just the “verified” ones.
But, frankly, I don’t care which way it gets implemented. Either way will accomplish the same goal.
No matter what we choose, it will be far better than going on the pointless rant-a-round with rocket on this topic. We all already agree that there is an issue. Most of us, I’m sure have been aware of the issue for a very long time. Otherwise we wouldn’t have had all of those photo threads on other forums.
The fact that it is a good bit easier to get around photo issues, in my opinion and apparently that of at least a few others on this forum, here on TER is a separate topic we can all reminisce about over a virtual beer sometime.
I won’t argue your poor interpretation of what I wrote. You’ve become quite notorious on here in a very short time for doing just that.
What I’m still trying to do - as I have been doing from day one - is to get you to do something about it.
I and at least one other, possibly more, have suggested things you can do to truly make the difference you claim to be all about. If you take just a little more time to read and less time ranting, you can figure it out. I’m not saying no one will help you. I’m sure we’d all love to see you do something more than just rant.
The ball is in your court.
You are now switching gears completely and pointing fingers at me.
The boycott isn't about me. I didn't make this thread.
You, on other hand, have just claimed that mere mentioning it on the forum can lead to org raising prices, and implied that we shouldn't even talking about it. That sounds like a crock of shit to me initially, but I want to understand your reasoning here. We came to civil discussion lately and I respect you enough that I think we can have a logical discussion.
"Frankly, even seeing this kind of discussion in the forums will already have them thinking about it, I’m sure. I suggest we move on before any further damage is done."
If I misinterpreted something, my apologies. To me, it sounds like what you're saying is that we should not even mention boycotts because that would lead the orgs to raise prices. Did I misunderstand?
Thanks
Your reading comprehension still needs a good bit of work. I keep asking you for a proposed solution. I even gave you some general ideas of things that have been used to address your concerns (and worked) elsewhere. And you think I’m persecuting you and fear mongering? Sigh.
I don’t really think you have a reading comprehension problem per se. You just can’t seem to admit you understand anything that disagrees with you or lessens your ability to justify posting repetitive rants with no proposed solutions.
Until I see a genuine proposed solution or more from you, I won’t bother responding. This feigned ignorance on your part isn’t helping you accomplish anything.
So, the ball remains in your court.
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A boycott is a form of solution. It's questionable whether it will work or not, but it is a form of solution. You yourself have mentioned that it worked before, so certainly it's not outlandish.
What ignorance am I feigning? I merely asked you to clarify the following statement
"Frankly, even seeing this kind of discussion in the forums will already have them thinking about it, I’m sure. I suggest we move on before any further damage is done."
This post was not in response to me. I am now interested to think why a mere mention of boycott made you write this statement and what made you claim it will result in raising prices. And what further damage. I interpret it as either of you being scared or you trying to tell mongers to not talk about boycott. If it's the former, I certainly understand - most mongers don't want the prices to rise but I'd like some more thoughts on how a threat of boycott by dissatisfied mongers will cause orgs to raise prices therefore triggering mongers even more. If this is the case, someone who maybe is organizing a boycott, might have a window to appeal to mongers. So I'm asking you to share information that might be helpful to such an organizer.
So, in particular, Im right now talking about the idea boycott, so please stay on topic if you can.
You claimed that mentioning boycott on forums could lead to some damage, so I'd like to see your reasoning. I believe I'm not asking for much here. And I'm being polite and civil.
Thank you
You didn’t suggest boycott. You specifically stated that you weren’t suggesting or supporting the idea of a boycott.
But now you want to pretend you are suggesting or supporting it because you are afraid to suggest something yourself? What is it you are so afraid of?
Try again.
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So, you won't answer my question relating to topic on hand, because I did not suggest it?
In this particular instance, I'm interested to hear your explanation of your own words.
Yes, initially I thought boycott wouldn't work unless organized well. But then, you mentioned that it did work once, and you also mentioned that org might strongly react to even mentioning it here. So, it is back on the table.
I'm not afraid of anything. On other hand, clearly you are afraid of "further damage". I keep asking you what this damage is and why will it happen.
Dude why is it so hard to answer my questions?
I have multiple solutions to the problem, boycott is now one of them. We can discuss it in other threads,but I'll give you the overview. Making public posts about specific fake reviews, specific bad practices, specific fake pics, as well as telling everyone to produce honest reviews are my solutions. Now I've added boycott to the list as well. Happy with my answer?
Now, can we go back to answering my question?
Why is even mentioning boycott a no-no? I'm interested in anything that can impact an org in such a big way you're claiming it to impact, so if even writing about and talking about boycott can cause org to flip, I'll gladly add it to my arsenal. I just want to understand your reasoning.
I answered your question honestly and truthfully. Now can you please answer mine?
Thanks
As you well know, your question is already asked and answered. You just don’t like the answer. Though when you reply you will do your usual selective misquoting to see if you can provoke a response. I’m not the only one who is both well aware that you think you’re fooling everybody with your wide eyed innocent “I’m just standing up for the poor mongers” (almost none of whom are speaking up here, though, so they must be on another forum) act - and also getting tired of it.
Still waiting for you to man up and answer what I’ve been asking you for days now. Quit the rambling and ranting and contribute something concrete and positive for all those mongers you claim to represent.
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No, I don't know your answer. This is why I'm asking the question. Please, repeat your answer if you already answered it. I'm likely very stupid to not see your answer, sorry for that.
Again, you refuse to engage in discussion with me, when Im asking me you a question, politely and with respect.
I answered your question. Please do so with mine. I offered you solutions that I myself employ - posting threads on this and any other PUBLIC forum mentioning specific tactics of specific orgs, with links. As well as trying to get as much information to mongers about new girls. I'm also feeling like adding discussion of boycott to this list, if it indeed triggers orgs so much. But I want to figure out what is your basis for such claim, and I'm asking you simple questions.
You said that even discussing boycott in public can lead to damages, namely orgs raising prices. You cited your experience as evidence. You also said that you've seen boycotts work,albeit a long time ago. I hope I'm not misinterpreting anything so far.
So, am I correct to assume that in your experience, you've also seen someone discuss a boycott before and then the orgs raised prices?
Please, I want to discuss this point with you, and you are making it difficult.
I have no other motivation to do what I do besides helping mongers and exposing liars. If you think I have some hidden agenda, do tell.
that know what we are doing and can minimize the chances of getting fucked over by an org stop seeing Kgirls for those of you who can't seem to figure it out despite all of the advice that's been posted here ad nauseum.
The best I can do to help you is cut your chances of getting fucked by about 80% by sharing one piece off advice . . . . . . . "Don't patronize sketchy orgs." Stick to the ones that have been around ten years. Maybe you can ask Rocket when he is going to start delivering on which orgs in the BA are the sketchy ones. If you're a SoCal guy, its easy, don't patronize the ones that weren't here one year ago, or you're at risk of getting fucked. See how easy that was?
All orgs in the bay area lie about pics.
But if it's so easy for you in socal to list "sketchy" orgs there, how about you actually list them and enumerate them? You know, publicly? Using actual names and not hints. And links if applicable.
Are you game? Let's see how easy it is for you to actually name some names publicly.
Interesting. You are afraid to list them yourself. So you challenge someone else to do so in order for them to prove to *you* that they aren’t afraid of the orgs?
Really?
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Huh? I said that all orgs in the bay lie.
You want me to list all orgs in the bay area? Sure, I can do that. GFEinvestments, KGA, bynnygirlsclub, AA/kp/klovers, fantastic/flowerkpower/sweetk, sweetangels, ebk, LSC, Asianeyecandy, violas, Cara angels, baykisses, alpacas(peach Cafe), LovelyAngels, kimchiangels, hotkcuties/welcome2kcuties.
Cdl, on other hand, claimed that it is easy to distinguish "sketchy" orgs from "good" orgs (good orgs supposedly not lying), so I'm asking him to name them by name. He has nothing to be afraid of, right? So cdl, let's hear the actual names stated publicly under your post.
And no, I'm not asking to just get a proof of not being afraid of the orgs. The main reason is that it his list as of now does not help anyone who doesnt know which orgs were introduced last year in socal. For example, me.
If, on other hand, he lists sketchy orgs by name it will not only be clear to me and others on this board, it will be also available for Google crawlers and it will be searchable by org name. This will be immensely helpful to others.
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On the list of non-helpful answers, this is pretty close to the top.
???
I've asked cdl to share his list of liars,a list he already was willing to provide.
Then you barged in and accused me of not providing such list.
I provided such list. Every single agency in the bay have had providers with completely fake pics.
Now you say it's unhelpful. Why not? Unlike cdl, I dont believe there are sketchy orgs and top tier orgs. All orgs lie here.
Yes, boycott...
and let them all be mine!
Frankly you should travel the country more
These girls tour and know what's market rate.
If you're in SoCal, you have it easy. I've been paying 50% more than the average LA price for the last several years and unlike LA, there's only 1 or two agencies to choose from with only 1 or 2 flowers each. Bunch of spoiled little boys I call it. Everytime I come to LA or OC, it's like heaven
So next time you piss about spending a little here, think of we lonely farts in the middle of the country. Go ahead and boycott away. Maybe they'll tour more to my hometown 
There are multiple avenues to access reviews that discuss accuracy of photos. Those of us who avail themselves to that info essentially boycott the girls/orgs that rely to heavily on fake pics. So an organized boycott isn’t necessary.
A negative effect of a successful boycott would be the loss of info coming from the TOFFT reviewers. We need those risk takers active in order for the rest of us to know what the new providers are like (looks/performance/etc).
We’ve got an effective system in place already. Let’s avoid unintended consequences and not engage in actions which could impact it negatively.
I agree
Lets no rock the vote
I was just venting
So who wants to volunteer and become a risk taker
I completely agree with both of the above comments.
Though it would be nice if we could figure out how to put together photo and TOFTT threads as many of us have done elsewhere. I’ve found that a combination of available reviews, effective channels of communication along with a well maintained Problem Photos thread and some sort of teamwork on TOFTTs makes things work very smoothly.
As a relatively new returnee to TER I’m not sure how the culture and mechanisms here would work if we tried to do the above though.
And I will help you with that, you have my word. Not so much with my own toftt because covid, but I will try to gather info from trusted mongers elsewhere about pics and new girls and relay here.
I have done this before when someone asked info about new girls here in forum
The main issue is ter arbitrary policy on what is considered vip content. My plea of 'avoid this girl' thread was denied saying its vip content. It was of course when my posts were always moderated, but still. There are very few girls I'd advise to avoid like plague, and censoring our voices because too much info is here and not in review, is annoying.
WTF, you even rave about how TER is supposed to have its main focus as reviews and that is how they make their money. Now you find it annoying they limit pointing information that is always hidden unless you are signed in with a VIP account?
Really don't think that through did you.
I get why they do it, but it's not like I was writing a whole review there...something like see/don't see is simple enough without many details that I feel it could be allowed here. Just my two cents. You know how non-vip don't see juicy details but can see general details?
Rocking the boat (assuming that's what you meant) is a great way to facilitate change. Publicly letting the people know you're upset with their way of things, speaks louder than anything else.
Why do you think dictators are uneasy when people go protest in public? Biggest changes on state level - revolutions - didn't start overnight. They were a slow burn, starting with unhappy people being fucked over,and people in charge being blind and deaf to their pleas. Then came meetings, organized boycotts and then organized forces. Most of the rulers who were overthrown, in retrospect, could point to multiple things and say "hell if I did X Y and Z in time and listened to the people's demands, I probably could've prevented all of this".
Just some food for thought.
My biggest problem with most people’s actions who claim to be revolutionists, or at the least revolutionary, is that in so many cases, if they put the same amount of passion and energy into making constructive contributions they usually could have done better and with less harm to others.
In my opinion, when you find someone on the internet claiming to be revolutionary, it’s more ego than reality.
Just to clarify, I don't claim to be a revolutionary.
Stating that organized actions and "rocking the boat" help facilitate change != being a revolutionary.
Besides, you need someone likeable to be a revolutionary to sway people. I'm not very likeable
Revolutionaries need power, not likability.
All of this happened after FOSTA with TER and CityVibe gone. Gentlemen stopped seeing Kgirls or only stay with known Kgirls. Covid exacerbated the problem. Boycotting will only make it worse. Instead, we need to tell others which Kgirls to see or avoid.
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As others said, there are avenues for research. Those avenues don't help me see new girls. I still enjoy seeing new girls by asking bookers who I should see. I don't think there is an org in SoCal I haven't been. I can post a list of Kgirls and accuracy of photos here if TER allows it.
We’re trying to find out what we can about TERs current rules so that we have the best shot at doing this.
It almost certainly will require some trial and error. So all will have to be a little patient and understanding while we figure out what works.
All we can guarantee is that posting rants and throwing around baseless accusations (implied or direct) will hinder and not help.
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I just made a thread for SoCal. Someone can go there and ask: is Cami using real pics? Another person can reply saying yes and describe how accurate the photos are. Include a Picture URL of the most accurate picture and a Link URL to her TER's profile or website. I have no problem saying a Kgirl uses fake photos.
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IMPORTANT: Do not turn a post into a Mini-Review or a Shill post.
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I have been choosing new Kgirls from photos since I began the hobby. I am a risk taker that knows how to manage risks. Real photos are helpful but not necessary. What I really need is an attractive Kgirl behind the door. I will not boycott when Kgirls and bookers haven't disappointed me that badly. Even B&S booker may still direct me to their better looking Kgirls. Why boycott when there are good Kgirls and reliable bookers around? I did not hear which Kgirls disappointed?
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http://www.theeroticreview.com/info_policies/boardPolicies.asp
How will boycotting make it worse? Is there a link established, is there any evidence? I've asked useyehead this, and he refuses to answer this question.
Why are we placing the burden of research on the mongers instead of addressing the problem at its root cause? I mean, I'm not against research, but clearly if people with hundreds of reviews and visits are complaining and saying that bookers don't help, then something is off. Because you are saying bookers help you, but people complaining say bookers are of no help.
Posting pics and girls and veracity of their pics is a very good start. However, imo every single org that engages in scum tactics also needs to be called out in public, and shown its place. They don't understand or won't bother addressing the complaints, them hit him where it hurts them the most.
Punishing the orgs is a good way of at least attempting to stop the behavior. If you aren't punished for stealing and scamming, why wouldn't most entities steal and scam? Exactly. We have no consumer protection aside from reviews and public forum.
Warning others when the product is of bad quality and false advertising should be the first priority.
What is really confusing is that you seem to be pretending that you don’t know this solution not only works, it makes sense. Odd for a guy who claims to have been around the AAMP scene as long as you do. Who better than the mongers, whom you claim to solely trust, to monitor the market? It’s been shown to work on other sites before.
So, what’s your problem? Do you actually not want to see the problem addressed?
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Sounds like you're the one doing the selective reading - I clearly said I like such a thread and I will support such a thread. However, I also want orgs to take some responsibility and punishment as well.
But you buried it in your rant and said it more than a little begrudgingly.
I like your recharacterization, though. I’ll happily take it!
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He can "agree" more disagreeably with a post than most people here actually disagree. It's like it's some kind of point of pride to find "something" to disagree about and his post will focus SOLELY on any points of contention while completely (or almost completely) glossing over the areas of agreement.
I hate to say this, but the liberal loons on P&R would just LOVE him because that's EXACTLY what they do.
Being a liberal, though there’s nothing really wrong with the basic philosophy, would explain a lot.
They have developed such a powerful propaganda campaign built almost entirely on fallacy rather than a rational analytical approach that many of them are nearly incapable of thinking for themselves. And when they attempt to do so they find themselves repeating the same fallacies they’ve been fed by the progressive propaganda machine for so many years.
Though I’m afraid the conservatives do far too much of this as well. But I think just a bit less.
But that whole discussion belongs in another forum.
So why did you bring it up?
We already have the SPOTY award. Maybe we should add MAAPOTY (though just doesn't have the same ring to is as SPOTY. Maybe MAMAPOTY award and we can call it the MAMA Award for short.)
and of course I think we ALL know who will be the immediate frontrunner and odds on favorite to win, if you really want to call anyone even nominated for the "award" a WINNER. lol
So, I’m guessing POTY is Post Of The Year. What does the MAA or MAMA stand for?
I would assume MAA would be "Most Argumentative Asshole" with MAMA meaning something along the lines of "Most Argumentative Most Annoying" lol
I would say that's a pretty accurate assessment. Lol
Well, I was actually being nice and did not use asshole. Either Most Argumentative and Annoying or Most Argumentative, Most Annoying...
Can we come up with an award for the poster with the worst reading comprehension?
We all know the symptoms. Always misrepresenting and even misquoting others. Frequently missing the point by either a meter or a marathon (42ish kilometers). Taking offense at imagined slights that actually didn’t mean what they thought.
Maybe the Block of Cement or Cement Overshoes award. Since a block of cement is all mixed up and permanently set. We could call it MUPS.
It seems like a good metaphor for this type of poster. Because if you step in it and get stuck it will drag you to the bottom of the cesspool and you’ll never get out.
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You blame me for bad reading comprehension, but then turn around and completely misread my post, probably on purpose, and then justify it by me somehow 'burying' it and having 'wrong' tone. LMAO
Here's the thing - it is YOU who are doing selective reading and only answering what you want to answer. You also dismiss anything that you don't like as not constructive or a rant.
Having orgs wear a scarlet letter on their forehead in the forum is a constructive solution, but because you don't like it - you consider it a rant and not constructive. Convenient. Tell me that having a thread about a specific org pulling a specific shitty practice, and having mongers with a lot of reviews and experience cosigning it, is not a constructive solution ? Many mongers view a prolific monger's say as quite indicative. If CDL or some other monger with clout PUBLICLY says org X is trash and theyre pulling stunts, the org will get less traffic. Now imagine if on every fucking forum that has discussion about kgirls, the same thing happens.
A boycott is also a constructive solution, it just will have to be many levels larger than TER. Multiple forums, multiple places of penetration. A massive-scale denial of service is completely possible though. Especially nowadays in the digital age.
Then you completely ignore my question when I ask it nicely multiple times. I still haven't received an answer as to what your evidence is between boycott discussion and prices rising. You answer what you like, selectively.
that I HAVE to just say it out loud . . . . Bullshit, Rocket. There is no way you are going to be successful in "punishing orgs" in order to get them to change their behavior. I have eschewed the ones in LA that have a history of B & S with respect to photos, and do you think, even with my volume level, they are the least bit worried? The orgs with shady business practices have more lenient screening, so they will have a steady flow of newbie customers no matter what any of the rest of us do. Many newbies enter the fray from other websites that feature Kgirls, so organizing a boycott here on TER is a fools errand. Before FOSTA/SESTA, when other websites were also-rans, posting something here carried a little more weight, but until TER gets back to its former market domination, trying to reshape the conduct of orgs through organizing boycotts only on TER will not work. You and paintthinner are wasting your time and effort.
or am I misreading? The OP, apainter, was really just venting more than anything and has not really been pushing the thought of a boycott in later posts -- in fact he seems to have stepped back from that with his acknowledgement of venting.
his OP. Its not uncommon for people to change their position on something once they realize they are on the unpopular side, so I'm speaking to his initial thoughts which is probably what he REALLY thinks. If he didn't feel strongly in the first place, why start a thread about it?
...about being friendly with me once you realized you were on the unpopular side. We exchanged friendly posts for over EIGHTEEN MONTHS. So why did it take you over A YEAR AND A HALF to "realize" you were on the unpopular side by being friendly with me when everyone else was hating on me?
I gave you the benefit of the doubt when I shouldn't. I admit it was wrong of me not to pick up on the red flags. I made a mistake that I truly regret. I had no idea you were a slime-ball that turned on your friends. I thought for awhile it was JUST me, but evidently, you fooled a lot of other people here as well before you turned on them. So yeah, I'm totally embarrassed that I EVER thought you were a stand-up guy. What else do you want me to say? Thanks for giving me the extra opportunity to expand on what a dick you are and that I didn't suspect it in the beginning.
...as well before you turned on them." WHO???? Name five people I fooled. Name three. Name two. That's just your typical bullshit. I've been posting the same way since the day this board began and for four years before that when the L.A. board was the de facto K-girl board. I never fooled ANYONE. Why were you "fooled?"
Saying I "turned on" you is bullshit too. After about eight months of your Walter Mitty bullshit I got tired of it and started calling you on it:
6/1/2017 -- http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/i-went-through-my-ruskie-period-----12074?page=
You started getting all defensive when I pointed out you were wrong. And you were also wrong about the lack of interest in the topic because it came up again on the General board a few weeks ago.
8/27/17 -- http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/a-k-girl-named-bagel--seriously--well-i-suppose-13015?frmSearch=1#13015
Back to being friends.
9/13/17 -- http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/you-never-miss-an-opportunity-to-pat-yourself-on-the-back-13170?frmSearch=1#13170
We had no exchanges on the board between that last thread and this thread. When I called you on your bullshit in this thread, you really had a meltdown. You went BSC and started in with the ad hominem attacks and you haven't stopped since. And you're still using the same tired, lame ad hominem attacks. Why don't you get some new material?
That was almost TWO YEARS since your first post on the K-girl board.
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That was my interpretation of his comment as well.
The chances are even worse than you suggest, I think.
The kgirls’ presence on here is still new. And they have other places from which to get customers, as you stated.
But the days when a monger boycott could even be organized are simply long gone. As I mentioned earlier, in the Bay Area, when the rouge livre was big, there was a chance of it working. Because back then they were huge here. They were the be-all and end-all for provider advertising (including kgirls - though they did advertise elsewhere, too) and monger reviews. Even then their clout was largely limited to the Bay Area.
There is simply no platform with anything resembling the broad and deep coverage that would be required to pull it off anymore. Advertising is much more diversified. And certainly almost non-existent here on TER. Which is almost certainly for the best. And, as you stated, TER isn’t even anywhere near as influential as it once was.
We have to face it. We, the few mongers who actually post on and read the TER kgirl forums, are too small a group to have any real power with the orgs.
I do think we can have some influence. But it will be limited to what we can do with things like photo and TOFTT threads. These can potentially grow in influence over time if we feed and care for them properly.
You've said it loud enough the first time I pitched the idea to you, 5 months ago. Ironically, what you never said loudly is names of sketchy orgs.
Maybe if you didn't JUST eschew these sketchy orgs, but also proactively CHEWED THEM OUT on the PUBLIC forums pointing out their bullshit tactics, less people would take their business to them ? Like, make a thread with their name in the post ?
But you refuse to say shit publicly, claiming you do it via pm. You have some swaying power, and you choose to not say anything publicly even though you admit many orgs engage in shady tactics.
You are passively encouraging their bullshit. Yes, you do.
So far the only org I've seen you publicly condemn is CLL in Vegas. Which was surprising, but also interesting especially now with org shill war that is apparently stewing between CLL and VAC.