be a pussy. Come out from behind the alias if you're going to call someone out. You have absolutely no credibility when you hide like a little bitch.
Anyone who reads my reviews knows that I, like most older guys, relish a good DATY experience during my Kgirl sessions. However, the recent "explosion" in the number of girls in LA that apparently have BBFS on their regular menu for any swinging dick that walks through the door has given me pause to consider the safety aspect of DATY.
I have tried to counter this some by keeping track of girls that that seem to be too liberal in this regard, and I have stopped seeing them altogether. A few others I am still seeing for covered service, but avoid DATY, which affects the quality of the session in a negative way. Most veterans know that properly executed DATY will get a girl's motor running better than anything else and will result in the best possible session because she will be as aroused as we are. You can't change chemistry.
So I will distill this down to a few questions: 1) Do the rest of you share my concerns; 2) Are you taking any measures to try to limit or mitigate the risks of DATY with these open-menu girls, and 3) Do you consider the risks of DATY with a girl that potentially just took a creampie from a guy 20 minutes ago to be minimal, and more of a disgusting nature than risky from a disease perspective?
trying to get me to quit! 😄
Seriously though, you bring up a serious issue. I know avoiding girls that allow the raw dog is becoming more and more difficult. One can get at least an indication of which ladies allow cream pies from the "STDs and those that love them" site, and I avoid those particular ladies like the plague.
It's a 50-50 proposition for those for whom intel is not available. I AM concerned, because what one doesn't know CAN hurt. That being said, like you I think a good DATY session does put the ladies more in the mood. Also, a good deal of my pleasure is derived from trying to give as good as I am getting, so until such time as I get a pie in the face (I just choked back a very wet burp) I guess I'll take my chances.
Cheers,
BD
A hobbyist that likes Kgirls AND also sees TS-girls might consider a mouthful of jizz from a Kgirl's VJ as an added BONUS without an upsell!!! Its all a matter of perspective, I guess.
Between trannies and the morons from the other site that bang street walkers and backpage chicks that take appointments in apartment complex laundry rooms, you're going to convince me it's time to hang up the jimmy.
For the love of god one more time, please stop mention bbfs it is godly disusting in my eyes and it is a taboo word that should not be mentioned once. I saw the trend here, you kept brought up the topic, I'm not sure what the hell are you trying to do. I'm done with the non sense, are you trying to destroy these k girls? Also how the fuck do you know bbfs is on the menu? Did you try? Someone told you? Stop it please just stop it. If you did that's good for you.
Thanks to you, I bet million of people out there already forcing these poor girls for something/bbfs that get them blacklisted by bookers. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting.
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be a pussy. Come out from behind the alias if you're going to call someone out. You have absolutely no credibility when you hide like a little bitch.
Ain't going to happen. The real problem here is that I'm sick of this guy due to the fact that he keeps making this bbfs popular and ruin the fun for the rest of us.
BBFS has been popular with prostitution customers for 5000 years. I'm NOT the one making it popular, although I should probably be flattered that you think I have that much pull around here.
I think a lot of us would be interested in HOW you think talking about it is going to "ruin" the fun for the rest of you? What are you worried is going to happen?
I invited you yesterday to explain WHY you think discussing BBFS on this forum is going to "ruin your fun." I'm serious that we are all interested in hearing what your reasons are. If you can't point to anything negative in the way of potential consequences, then it makes you look like Chicken Little. Do you have a coherent reason why you don't think it should be discussed here, or where you just whining in general?
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Some cannot separate reality from fantasy so they don't want to be reminded of this and kill their GFE joy. I can completely forget reality when I see them. Posts like this give me a wake-up call BEFORE I see them.
Some may think these posts will attract BBFS guys to the K-girls because they read that K-girls are open to it. To me, it is business as usual and those guys are on a quest so it's not like they won't try K-girls just because we don't talk about it. Just don't name names. Because I keep hearing about this, I manage to find the site they like and take down names to avoid in the future.
By raising awareness, CDL may make bookers and providers think twice about possibly losing high-volume regulars if they don't do something about BBFS. Unless you fear this, it is a good thing for all of us.
The long time posters here are interesting and informative. They do newbies a great service so ignore them at your own perils. I am only a student compare to these masters, but after seeing many K-girls, I can cut through all the noises and see the truth. I will always learn from them for my own benefits.
Hey there, first of all, I got nothing on you. You are a great human and a brother of mine because we are in this field together. The real deal here is that you let other people know bbfs is on menu which I'm not sure if it real to fake because I have never tried it before and I will never dare to do so. I don't want to get blacklisted. People will assume it is on menu and will seek for it. I can already feel these poor k girls are suffering because all the fucktard out there are already seeking/forcing for it.
I agree that w can discuss about this, but the cons are greater than pros here....perhaps the way you wrote the thread triggered me, but I know you don't mean. I kind a have mixed feeling regarding this issue.
If you're going to call me out, that you not be a coward and use your real handle and not your alias. For all we know, you're part of the problem on the other site. If you want to be credible here, you need to show who you are so we can see your reviews and know you're a real hobbyist and not some lurker jacking off in your mom's basement.
I will never mention a girl's name, but pretending BBFS does not exist by refusing to talk about the growing problem in LA is reckless with respect to this community. Your post makes you sound like a naive newbie with little or no Kgirl experience of your own. But we don't know, because you're hiding behind an alias. Be a man and show yourself. It feels great.
You are right, you can say whatever you want. I felt sorry for all these k girls trying to make us happy and this guy keep spreading viruses/bbfs news around and ruin these girl's reputation.
and ruined her reputation. If you can't, then you are talking out your ass, making false accusations, and should STFU while you can.
You and I are new here. Not a good way to make friends with the neighbors. BTW, some of us have had more than 70 girls a year. Averages out to just more than one per week. Not impressive.
... because I'm a far lower-volume guy than most who post here (once in a couple of months if the financial and scheduling gods are smiling) and because I'm not in or near LA. But I think my approach would be to identify and avoid those, as you put it, open-menu girls to the extent I can, keep my mouth and gums in good shape (seriously), and for the rest not worry about it. DATY is pretty low-risk as these things go.
Looking this up on the CDC site was like looking at Web MD--yikes--I was tempted to go celibate for, jeez, almost half a second. This chart from the San Francisco City Clinic seems like a good but not panic-inducing summary of the risks of various bed-based jollities.
1) yes
2) yes. With all due respect to you and your dick that hasn't fallen off yet, but have you considered quality over quantity? Maybe move up one notch and not have so many concerns? AAMP instead of AMP? Save up some toast for two meetiings instead of three? Indie? One ABC rocks my world, but everything is covered so no Dairy Queen when DATY.
3) No and the thought of It make me want to puke
Have a blessed Easter!
That I haven't been to an AMP in nine years. I only do AAMPs and some of the excellent indie Asian providers we have here. I still do 5-6 hours a week, so my dick may yet fall off. I just want it to be from exhaustion and not an STD. However, thus thread is about not putting my tongue into a cum-filled hole, both from a disease point of view and a gross-out factor.
Maybe time to move? Taxes have to be killing you out there. At least in another state, you are not being screwed while you screw.
I've thought about this too, but I don't usually DATY. One option is set first appointment and hope no previous action from a friend with benefit or boyfriend in the morning.
I don't think too much further than that, but with recent discussion about women who don't use protection, I consider it just another risk factored in the hobby. CIM can create a residual situation as well as rimming.
Always varying risk, thinking about it can take away from visits being easy and fun.
I would add that all the girls said my love juice tasted good compared to other guys^^
Unfortunately, part of the risk of hobbying that youre going to sucking on some guys leftover spit or precum inside her pussy hole due to the girls dont clean their pussy very well after thier session from daty, p2p, or bbfs i guess. Pretty much at most just hand soap wash just the outer part of their pussy and dont douche or shove soap up their pussy hole to clean it after being banged or sucked on.
Well at least you can say you had the honor of tasting my love nectar^^
Cleanup time not being long enough. When I started doing this, the standard break was 30 min, but 90% of my hobbying was in OC. Then I started coming to LA more and encountering 15 min breaks. Now it's 10 min. I had a girl last week tell me that sometimes she gets only a minute or two, and has to sneak the cleanup time in after the NEXT customer gets out of the shower. The message I got from that is DON'T do DATY unless you have watched her clean up first.
but more from the realization that I've been at this too lonnggg a time, enjoyed countless women, got tested regularly & always clean ... until finally concluding we only stop Risky behavior when our luck runs out --- OR we choose to Stop. I have chosen to Stop before my luck runs out.
I have tried to counter this some by keeping track of girls that that seem to be too liberal in this regard, and I have stopped seeing them altogether. A few others I am still seeing for covered service, but avoid DATY, which affects the quality of the session in a negative way. Most veterans know that properly executed DATY will get a girl's motor running better than anything else and will result in the best possible session because she will be as aroused as we are. You can't change chemistry.
So I will distill this down to a few questions: 1) Do the rest of you share my concerns; 2) Are you taking any measures to try to limit or mitigate the risks of DATY with these open-menu girls, and 3) Do you consider the risks of DATY with a girl that potentially just took a creampie from a guy 20 minutes ago to be minimal, and more of a disgusting nature than risky from a disease perspective?
Motivated me to start this thread. I get a feeling of dread sometimes and wonder if I'm hastening my expiration date by taking these risks.
... if it might do you good to take a break for a while?
I say that fully realizing it's easier said than done. If I had the means and time to see several K-girls a week, I would find it very difficult to hold off.
But ... this hobby (and sex itself, as far as that goes) is supposed to be about pleasure, fun, making life better. If it's bringing on a feeling of worry and dread, maybe it's not the thing to be doing.
For now, that is. I expect that this epidemic of BBFS is probably temporary.
asking me to not eat anymore. Its part of my weekly routine. The dilemma I my desire to see some of the top rated girls, but many of these become top rated because of their liberal menu. I know I must go with lower volume girls that are UTR as Mufftime suggests below. These will be second tier girls with excellent service and indies that only see two or three customers a day on the days they work. The girls I have reviewed recently show I am already gravitating in that direction. I will have to be content that I at least got to see SOME of the great ones before they went crazy with open menu and/or got outed by the assholes on the "We Love STD's Site."
I never liked the idea of deep French kissing any of the working girls who had their tongue up somebody's ass 10 minutes before I got there. I have been a fan of DATY. Not only does it help get her going, it helps get me going. This bareback full section shit is giving me bad thoughts. I hope the bookers will start policing the practice. Eventually it will screw up their business if someone gets aids.
that besides the ones most of seem to know about there are many more
who are basically UTR and unknown to most hobbyists besides the few
that they service that way. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that just
because we haven't heard them mentioned on various discussion boards
or have even heard that they don't do it, that it isn't happening.
That my fellow hobbyists is a fact.
If safety is a concern,
1. A first appointment of the day will avoid anyone's creampie.
2. Don't DATY anyone.
You never can be sure.
I have tried to counter this some by keeping track of girls that that seem to be too liberal in this regard, and I have stopped seeing them altogether. A few others I am still seeing for covered service, but avoid DATY, which affects the quality of the session in a negative way. Most veterans know that properly executed DATY will get a girl's motor running better than anything else and will result in the best possible session because she will be as aroused as we are. You can't change chemistry.
So I will distill this down to a few questions: 1) Do the rest of you share my concerns; 2) Are you taking any measures to try to limit or mitigate the risks of DATY with these open-menu girls, and 3) Do you consider the risks of DATY with a girl that potentially just took a creampie from a guy 20 minutes ago to be minimal, and more of a disgusting nature than risky from a disease perspective?
is not just trying to stay safe with what we know, its that we don't know what it is that we don't know. As you say, the UTR / YMMV girls have always been the safest ticket.
My problem is that I CAN get first of the day in OC, but not in LA or SD unless I stay overnight the night before. That seems like a lot of trouble just for DATY.
A lot of these girls have boyfriends, and you have no idea if her BF left you a "surprise" ten minutes before your "first appointment of the day"
I have been that BF before and my GF had a 7 AM appointment one morning, which kind of pissed me off as I had to get out of her nice warm bed and go home early so she could "go to work" We stayed most nights at her incall location which doubled as her actual apartment where she worked, I was supposed to leave early to give her time to get ready for her 7 AM appointment, but I was too lazy to get out of bed. She got up at 6AM to start primping, but at about 6:45 I dragged her back into bed with me, and kept her there until I left at about 2 minutes to seven, giving her virtually no time to put herself back together for her appointment, I wonder if that guy liked the taste of my jizz. lol
How many of the girls, especially Kgirls most of whom who haven't even been here that long,
are being fucked all night or in the morning before work by a BF when they've been
fucking mongers of all shapes and sizes all day. If you really experienced that then I guess you didn't mind
the jiz dripping from their twats into your mouth after they put in a hard day's work.
I think I have a much better shot at not getting someone's drippings being first of the
day than you did by obviously being the last of the day.
as for me being the "last one" of the day, I am not the one whining about hookers seeing other guys before me.
I used to see four or five women in a single day on not an infrequent basis, for me to bitch about women being "high volume" would be rather hypocritical to say the least. Every woman has a different sex drive, some women can see five or six clients a day and still have "plenty of gas left in the tank" for a BF, others can only fuck once or twice a day or even less without getting "worn out"
To tell the truth I never really paid any attention to how many guys any of my GF's were seeing "at work" each day, I do know that a couple of them would complain about how "slow" things were when they only had two or three appointments in any given day. Some guys put a lot of thought into these types of things, to me "it's only sex" and just not that big a deal. Most Asian women are fanatics where it comes to personal hygiene, I've been at this for over forty years and except for catching the crabs a couple of times in the 80's, I am not only disease free, but stress free as well.
It wasn't me who was whining. I was just responding. If anyone is worried then
either be first of the day or don't do it. Sounds like you would be surprised at
how many don't have a BF or don't have the time or inclination for one. As far
as four or five in one day on not an infrequent basis, I guess this really is, as
TER describes itself, a fantasy board. An hour for each appointment with travel time
in between, either you're fantasizing or a two minute man. And based on what you
said I guess you don't mind the jiz from other mongers coming home at night.
This thread has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime.
First off, I probably should have said "I used to" see four or five women a day on not an infrequent basis, as at my current "advanced age" three a day seems to be about my limit. AND this is not something that I did at home here in the states.
I "used to" spend maybe a third of my time out of the country, much/most of it in Latin America where I would usually stay at someplace like the Hotel Del Rey in Costa Rica which is a 24 hour a day whore house. There was no travel time involved, no researching on the internet each chica that I saw, not even any "booking appointments" The bar/s there are full of hookers 24 hours a day and all that is required is to grab a chica of your choice, sign her in at the front desk and go upstairs with her for some fun. A buddy of mine who is much younger than me once saw 56 women in a single week down there, he of course was a long ways from being my current age of 58, I think he might have been 35 or so at the time.
Are your chances "better" by being the first appointment of the day? Of course they are. Is it guaranteed that you won't still be getting "sloppy seconds" by doing so? NO. That was my major point.
And NO, I never really think about the other guys a hooker sees, as long as she practices good hygiene you should never even be able to tell the difference. The guys that stress over this kind of thing really should find a new hobby as we aren't fucking virgins here, and for a K-girl even five customers in a day is considered a rather slow day.
outside K-girlfriend are consistent with my own. I will add that after they have banged a whole day of guys and come home to their Ktown apartment, they are in no rush to cleanup and can take all of the time they want to make sure they're not serving me a "cum-dripping" pussy, even if they were a girl that has an open menu, which is not the kind of girls I date on the outside. But as Mufftime suggests, sometimes they are physically exhausted and I would prefer not to have sex with them in that state even though they offer. They do seem to get their second wind when coming home to their RL boyfriend, though. I wait until morning when we can knock off a few rounds when they're fresh. Then I will drop them off a few miles away at the MW incall location, or on to WLA if I have time. Otherwise, I put them in a Korean taxi and lock up for them after they leave. Sometimes they clean up before then leave the apartment and other times they say they will clean out my load before the first customer shows up. I think they probably do, so even though, technically, the first customer of the day is not getting a pussy that hasn't been creamed that day, I think as Mufftime says, its a hell of a lot cleaner than at four o'clock in the afternoon IF she's an open menu girl, which none of mine have been, so I don't even think about it. I will admit that when I'm staying three or four nights a week at a K-girlfriend's apartment, I offer to split the rent with them so I can leave some of my clothes there. Some will accept the financial help, and others won't as a misguided show that they are not after my money, just me. Or at least they want me to THINK they are not just after the money, so I play along. Lol
We only have their word as to what their menu really is and in this business
the truth is sometimes a concept not understood or not part of their reality.
I only met one girl who admitted to at least several BBFS partners and I'm sure
that number was grossly exaggerated to the down side. So just remember if she
does it with a " customer" even after hours there are probably more "customers"
falling into that category.
Suzanne Massie, a writer in Russia, met with President Ronald Reagan many times between 1984 and 1987. She taught him the Russian proverb, "Доверяй, но проверяй" {Doveryai, no proveryai} (trust, but verify).
Some things are just not verifiable.
Is pretty good and I intend to keep it that way. If you read my post, it only says I do not have outside relationships with liberal open-menu girls, NOT that I think I'm the only one getting BBFS. However, I do think in these instances I AM the only one getting BBFS without paying during the time she is my outside girlfriend.
I agree with your conclusion. Ask any Kgirl you are seeing about other customers getting BBFS, and she will say, " No honey, only you." As you say, it bears no resemblance to reality. Accordingly, your time with an outside K-girlfriend is much more enjoyable if you never discuss her work or other customers.
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We would spend the night together almost every night, at least six nights a week for close to a year, she told me she "didn't want my money" after knowing me less than two weeks and she never asked nor took a penny from me for the entire time we were together after that.
Maybe she was lying to me, and maybe she was going bare with customers, but after we became a couple she told her boss she was no longer available for either extended "dinner dates" or for overnights as she now had a boyfriend. This was her choice, not my demand, so I really never had any reason to question her. The one thing I knew for sure is that I was her only boyfriend, she simply didn't have enough time to have another one as we spent just about every night together. I don't really much care what the peanut gallery thinks, I have NEVER come on this or any other board seeking approval for the choices I make.
No approval or disapproval. It's just a business built on lies.
Once they start they don't stop.
Maybe you are unique and you were the only whose
money she didn't want.
As I said earlier we all have our fantasies.
So many 'mistruth' I've been told over the years to get me back. David Lettermen would be proud of the list. Let's at least admire the clarity of this statement.
If you want to see dishonesty, try the stripper world. Hookers by and large are pretty straight forward, we give them money, they give us pussy. What's not to like or be confused about?
Where things seem to go wrong is when the guys get their signals crossed. Good service doesn't equate to a hooker actually having feeling for you, but actual feelings do happen in this business, unless you subscribe to the belief that a hooker can't possibly have feelings for a man, which is a pretty sad POV.
Not interested in getting into destroying K-girls, etc. or any G-Girl's ability to make a living, just responding to doing DATY more safely for those who may fear BBFS---just insert an FC2, THEN your tongue down to its roots---LOL---just like with any muscle, your tongue will soon look like Arnold on steroids;P~~~
I was planning on seeing an Asian girl from agency here in Boston, but could not do it after reading the posts here and the posts on the "STD bottom feeder" site. After research found a bunch of girls here also worked on the west coast and I just could not do it. The "bottom feeder" site lists girls who offer BBFS on first visit or the girls that offer after the first date and from the posts, you can tell there is plenty of girls that are doing it.
Doing the math ends up in a scary situation.
Girl works 5 days a week
She sees average 8 guys a day
Girl offers BBFS to half of the guys 4
5 x 4 = 20 BBFS a week which might include CIP or CIA
The seniors here enjoyed the K-Girl scene before all of the BBFS craze and hopefully, I can enjoy it once this calms down before a pandemic breaks out.
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That other site is so inaccurate for the ones they say do and the ones
they say don't. You're right about it being a bottom feeder site where
guys like to have others think that they have BBFS when in reality they
don't and vice versa. The craze is only because of that site but it's
been around for a long time. At least as long as I've been around the
hobby. Don't believe anything or at least almost anything you read
on discussion boards. Remember TER advertises itself as a fantasy
board and from what you've been reading that point has certainly
been made.
Agree with mufftime, dancebbking, and the vets here. I will make a new year resolution to stop DATY. I already see top tier girls less often and want first appointment with new or UTR girls when I can. This is nothing new because I already considered the risks and throw them out the window when I see K-girls. Ignorance is bliss in a session.
1) No concern. My threat level remains the same as ever because I am a fool on a mission.
2) If I still have my head, I may try to be cautious and wash the girl pussy myself if possible (in any case, most of the girls always wash themselves after I step out), then there are the eye test, the smell test, the finger test, the pen test for quality control. If a test fails and I still want to go at it, I pull out the hand test and slap my face, wake up you fool, are you drunk? After a tongue test, I do green toast to kill STDs then try clean up myself well. Like some K-girls, I do believe this can prevent some STDs.
3) Minimal risk and not disgusting. I am already too far gone by the time I eat them. Behind her door, I shut off my brain and pretend she is my hot girlfriend or cozy wife. I don't think about other men in her life because I am a tool on a mission 
I fool myself too much! Need to stop it man.
I'm talking early 80's, pre-HIV, I was a merchant seaman and discovered my fetish for Asian women. Taiwan, Korea, Philippines. It was always BBFS. At the time, early 20's, "they got penicillin for that" was my attitude. Thankfully, the only thing I ever got was a bad case of the crabs (Panama).
Today, I haven't had BBFS with anyone since my ex-wife, some 20 yrs ago. And no intention or desire to change, unless it's with someone I've put a ring on.
That being said, I too am like CDL and love to daty. Probably 90% of my K-girl appts are always first of the day. Only a few have been at night. I may not get an extended sessions because of a next appointment, but I get peace of mind.
However, if I am aware of a K-girl that does offer this, I will not see her. I'm now just hoping to learn where I might find this info. Las Vegas has a fairly wide selection of K-Girls, changing all the time. I intend to use more due diligence.
if a K-girl offers BBFS or not. You may do yourself a disservice and miss out on some great girls. The hobby is risky, even BBBJ, so I stop worrying. If I do, I will not DATY or be very selective and check her pussy like a doctor.
Retirement crossed my mind for 2 seconds from this thread. Couple hours after I said I will stop DATY, I already forgot and went down on a K-girl again! I didn't even have the discipline to follow my own safety protocol that I mentioned here
People lie and you can't verify unless you experience it. It is also YMMV. Just because some say she does not, does not mean it is true. Read mufftime’s "The reality is" and dancebbq09 posts carefully.
I will not name that other site because they start to realize outing K-girls publicly attracts clueless newbies and ruin their own game. They will just take it to their PM network. Even TER may also have such a PM network. Good luck looking for intel.
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