My current ATF just went to 280 and is getting ready to go to 3$. I can’t afford it any more. Glad covid is waning so I can get back into clubs and slay civvies again.

I know this is controversial. Flame away if you insist on doing so. But looks like I’m out of the game. Bummer.

 

sag

Kudos to you for establishing a budget and sticking to it. Far too many mongers have let this empty their bank accounts and ruin their lives.  

 
I hope you’ll continue to post and provide your viewpoint on here. You’re always honest and open with no manipulation or BS.

 
Whatever you do, all the very best to you!

Brother Sag,

Have you considered being a Sugar Daddy?  There's a place on TER called 'The Erotic Highway' devoted to navigating the Sugar Bowl.  The ladies are mostly mixed, latina and brown sugar.  It is highly unlikely to find some kimchi flavored boji over yonder...

 
I like to check out the options when I'm being neglected by Kun Gumiho...

Something to consider...

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Most of us have a price point where either something is not in the budget or just is more than we value/want it.

 
Also, this game is not going away so whenever you're ready to come back (be it special treats as a lot of guys seem to do or when you've found a way to generate a greater disposable income) it's here waiting

your spending patterns will usually reveal one or more areas to cut down a little and reapply the funds to pussy.  Like Jensen says, the real question is whether you are getting the value you want from the money you are paying for pussy versus the money you are spending on other things. You just need to prioritize pussy and re-allocate funds from your budget that you are currently spending elsewhere.  

 
I was a young bachelor when pick-up bars were popular places to find a one-night stand.  I haven't seen too much evidence lately that these places still exist in an upscale manner like they did back in my day of hitting on civvie girls. My impression from going to bars now, is that women have changed their attitude about having a couple of drinks and then spending the night with you without further obligation.  If civvie girls are looking for relationships rather than temporary sexual release, which was the order of the day back then, I think you are going to spend a lot more finding suitable pussy in the civvie world than you would spend on Kgirls.  Just my opinion, but something to consider.

That theres nothing controversial about this. It sucks to exit the game not on your own will but to be priced out... but if there's a silver lining here is that some people look for a way to escape the addiction...and that's one way to do so if youve ever felt like you were addicted. Not saying you have or anything, but in general.

 
It was a pleasure to be in the same hobby/area, sag. Your atf is wonderful. If you ever decide to hop back in, I think it will be seamless

I don't how often you would session in a week or a month, but hopefully you can keep your, hand? or other body part LOL, in the game with one or two times a month!

 

If you can do one repeat and alternate with one new adventure in a timeline that fits your wallet, that should satisfy your Kgirl  or provider needs!

 

Good luck!

I have not been active in the sugar bowl for several years. But I have kept track of what’s going on as much as is possible by participating in the Erotic Highway forum and staying in touch with old friends who are still active SDs.  

 
Everything I’m hearing tells me that you can still do pretty well in the sugar bowl with a 200 to 400 pay per meet. Which sounds like it would just continue the upward price pressure that Sag is talking about. The not insubstantial good news is that, at least from my own experience and what I’ve heard from others, Sugar Babies do not tend to be clock watchers. So that per meet of 200 to 400 can cover anywhere from an hour to an overnight.

 
Still, as you said, Twoon, it is not common to find Asian girls playing in the sugar bowl. Not unheard of. But definitely uncommon.

 
If you want to play with Asians in the sugar bowl, you’ll have your best luck, I suspect, developing relationships with the Viet girls at some of the many Viet nail salons as CDL has suggested.  

 
For more details on the sugar bowl I recommend heading over to the Erotic Highway board.

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But I feel like SB is even more of an investment, at least upfront cost-wise.

 
BTW great to see you all and well. I was a bit worried not seeing you on any forums or groups. I almost pinged GoldDustBro to see if he can get a hold of ya.

It looks like you saw about 8 girls over a six month period in 2020. That works out  to 1.25 girls per month. If you cut back to only one girl a month, you save $75 per month which is more than the increased price of one girl. Unless you age out, you have health issues, or your financial situation is dire, don’t give up the flow of pussy from providers!  Just cut back.Of course if bars and clubs come back and you have serious game there, the circuit may be cheaper, but I doubt the sex is as good! If I had to, I’d probably cut out a meal a day to have an extra session a month! Note good thread, What would you give up to keep the flow of pussy coming?

We all go through this math regularly. When I’m going to step up to see a more expensive provider, I may add an extra week or two off before and after my session to build up some cash, or at least justify blowing a bigger Wad on one session! It’s just a trade off, right?

Price will keep going up. Chinese AAMPs are 200/400 now and apparently business is booming.

Sag,  

 
As an active Sugar Daddy for better than 10 years you, I can confirm it's fertile land to plant your "investments." LOL  

 
But a few words of caution:  
1. $200-$290 is probably the minimum entry cost for the Sugar Bowl in most major cities. In larger metro areas, "allowance" or what you pay when you take an SB on a date (that includes sex - or BCD time) has crept up to $300-$500 or more, depending on many factors.  
2. But as noted, that allowance is generally per date, not per hour. Some SB's may just want to bang and bail, some will appreciate an actual date with social time, dinner, sex, etc.  
3. If you are well accustomed to the high level of "service" that a KGIRL provides, you may find sugar dating a bit different. Your SB is not a pro (most of the time) and will have her own sexual comforts and limits - taken from her personal life experience.  So be prepared for some SB's to do less than a KGirl does. OTOH, some will do more - a lot more.  
4. Your time required to get a date is much greater than booking a KGirl. You will need to review dozens (maybe hundreds) of profiles, start communications that may not succeed, fend of scammers, and deal with emotional baggage despite the premise that sugaring is an NSA (no strings attached) experience.  

 
Is it worth it? Hell YES! At least for me.  

 
As Twoon mentioned, check out the Erotic Highway board for much more info. There are hundreds of posts covering dozens of experiences, questions, tips, advice, methods and instructions.    

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

I'm sure you have, but if not read on the GD Board "Advice for a new sugar daddy".

 
You can get an idea about the costs and expectations in the SB world.  

 
I still think P4P is doable if you cut back on sessions!

where most seasoned Kgirls are at 300 and up.  Gosh...I still remember the days of 240 and 260 donations.

Hey man,

I always wanted to bang your honey, Kira.

 
Guess what? I was tooling around the Net last week and I discovered that your beloved Kira is actually a rebrand of Allie from the now defunct org Hourly Dreams aka HD.

 
Yeah, I sessioned with her on her very last day of her tour with them.  She's fucking awesome!

 

A trip down memory lane...

 

YEMV