girl's crying, PO's pissed since this long time customer of this place decided to turn south, secretly videotaping his session with one of the popular girls. Mr. LA, if you delete the video and apologize to the girl and PO, damage will stop here. Or...
If so that's pretty fucked up if true. How did they find out? Girl caught this guy? How do they know he hasn't been doing this before?
I think bay orgs usually bl a filming guy from all orgs in such case. Not sure if his mug gets on the wall of shame or not.
I'll say one thing, there are a lot more guys into the hidden cam thing than most realize.
while TER was dark in '18-'19. A guy took selfies of her giving him BBBJ, and she didn't even realize it. Then the photos were posted on the STD site. Even though the guy that runs that site is a douche himself, I believe he banned the guy after some attorney and/or the girl called him. I wasn't personally involved, but that's the story that was circulating at the time.
Hidden filming happens a lot. A lot of orgs started posting "no filming" after some guy spread a rumor that a particular girl (she was in LA her name starting with M and in the bay her name starting with L) allows filming. I believe she's still paranoid about it.
Another story is from a private group where a dude bragged about having filmed sessions. Someone snitched on him to pos, he was banned (somehow I think he was "smart" to use his monger phone number in the line group). On one hand, filming is a dick move. On other hand, I don't think he posted anything so snitching was a dick move as well. Tough situation. I think the group disbanded shortly after as people lost trust and knew there was a snitxh in the group.
Either way, it's an asshole move to film. I think everyone has that idea exciting them for a second.... but just dont do it unless the girl is ok with it. And almost no kgirl is ok with it.
STD site? lol, wth
You referring to Rebecca?
I know she caught some dude.
Really??? She did asked me to put away my phone that was on the dresser. Thought that was strange as I always put my phone on a dresser or table so that I won't forget it when leaving.
Which Rebecca?
Kgirl Rebecca who left Seattle for the Sunny California.
heard this via grapevine...
girl caught him, and he gave up one sim card, however, not sure it's the only device recording. after this place blacklisted this ahole, all other local po's knew and followed, this guy's identity was revealed but not in public yet, if he dare to try something stupid, real name/phone/photo/car/vehicle plate/IN profile/company/office......
you can only image the damage, if this doesn't end well and end soon.
just FYI
"real name/phone/photo/car/vehicle plate/IN profile/company/office"
And people wonder why we don't want to give out pii info. What this guy did was fucked up, but him getting BLd from all places is more than enough. This is a damn blackmail threat. This is why I personally have ammo against orgs in case they ever try stupid shit like that against me.
Also, car/vehicle plate - if one needed proof that you should never park close or flash your car or follow PO instructions on parking . Well, this is it.
or even different from what you claim to have and say you are willing to use?
"Mr. LA, if you delte the vid and apologize to the girl and PO, dmage will stop here. Or..."
Do I really have to explain how such statement constitutes blkmail?
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most of us in DMV are trying to create a win-win environment to attract and keep top girls in local K-scene. However, shit happened, a couple of months ago one of the K got knock down, many tour kgirls canceled their DMV schedules. Now this bad apple will give us even worse bad name. Do you think other girls will still come here?
I'm not defending for any po, however, consider the following scenario:
Tommy is pissed since he finds out he's been bl'ed by all local k-places and k-indy, he doesn't think "videotaping without consent" or" violation of privacy" is a big deal or even a crime, plus he surrendered the sim card. He wants revenge, so he expose this kplace to get even.
personally I don't think po will expose or leak out Tommy boy's personal info if this "incident" stops here.
I'd call the previous statement is a "reminder" to "PLEASE EVALUATE SITUATION"
If you do want a win-win, at least this is not an end game for all of us.
just my 2cents
"He wants revenge, so he expose this kplace to get even."
This is a piece of info that was absent. If so, this is totally fair then. T. hreatening to expose places for his own fuck up is rich.
Thanks for the clarification. I take my words back, provided your info is correct and truthful. Cheers.
Edit :just to clarify. T..reatening to expose his info in exhcnage for his own threat is fine. T.hr_eatening to expose his info if he doesn't apologize to the girl, is fucked up and NOT fine. Since you put "delte the vid_o" down in your initial statement, and you say the s_m was confiscated, sounds to me like the vid_o is not public.
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It was a hypothetical, so we don't know what the perpetrator's intentions are. I'm obviously opposed to too much PII, but if not for an ID and possibly LinkedIn, what serves as a deterrent to filming or otherwise harming the girls?
If it's a hypothetical, then it's a direct t_hreat and yes, blak_mail. (in case you're wondering why I'm putting underscores is because I've had two posts with those words enter moderation and upon editing those words they went through and posted right away)
I am not against places screening, but many mongers dont like to send their info. I will not send my LinkedIn to anyone in the biz, period. And my social media is set up in such a way no pic of mine or facial recognition search will work.
Deterrant? Well, references are also for those purposes. References from other places tell that you've been with girls and you haven't caused trouble.
The situation we're discussing is explicitly referred to as hypothetical by Klient so I don't know why you're questioning that. In that situation, the agency wouldn't be in the wrong because the monger threatened to out them first, because of a perceived slight.
Regarding deterrents, "hard" information is more of one than "soft" information like references. See a few newbie friendly providers based on an alias and you have a network that can vouch for you. Harder to fake identity if they're doing work verification. This doesn't take into account perhaps the greatest aspect of deterrence in the form of exposure. If you're willing to harm a girl, losing those references is probably of less importance to you than destabilizing your social standing.
Setting the issue of deterrence aside, PII offers a greater insurance policy for agencies and girls, so why wouldn't they go for that? Is the safety of mongers greater than that of girls?
Agreed on the first count, and I believe I stated as much previously. The response to a threa_t by a monger with their own threa_t is justified.
I said that I don't mind strict pii policies because they do help girls safety. With that said, I'd never use one. I never gave my info to anyone and I'm not planning to do so any time soon. My pii in hands of a bad actor is not worth any amount of pussy or pleasure I receive from hobbying. In the end, it's a simple value proposition. Might be worth to others, never worth it to me.
There isn't a hard guarantee that someone who provides their pii info will not harm a girl anyway. References help,they aren't the end of it all like you say. Their real life info doesn't either. Bad actors get their faces plastered on walls of shame, and they actually provided their pics and social media info. Doesn't deter them from pulling very bad shit on the girls. I don't think either serves as a "hard" deterrent.
to get approved was at the first Kgirl place I tried to get into. Once I had a few dozen sessions under my belt and a few phone numbers of touring girls, I was set to start branching out without ever giving out personal info again. It took two or three years to get approved with everyone in SoCal, but I'm a patient guy when it comes to protecting my privacy. At this point, I'm in full agreement with you. I'm not only against too much PII, I'm against ANY PII.
Mongers should never underestimate the value of befriending touring girls that work at different agencies all over the country. I got approved in all of the major cities on the East Coast through touring girls. Otherwise, you are waiting to see whether a local booker will even contact anyone in your home city for a ref. If you keep your touring girl network up to date, you should never have to give personal info to a booker again. A ref from a Kgirl is golden.
Responding to a transgression and taking actions to limit further harm is hardly blackmail.
You're positions is equivalent to saying someone who knows the person that stole something from them, and has proof and identification information, saying "If you return the item to me and apologize for stealing from me now I will not report you to the police or others in the neighborhood outside our close circle." is blackmailing the thief.
You might want to contemplate both your understanding of what blackmail is and the concept of reciprocity.
Definition:
"the action... of demanding payment or another benefit from someone in return for not revealing compromising or damaging information about them"
Sounds like it's you who needs to brush up on the definition. Saying "apologize to the girl OR else" is an ultimatum and falls under this very definition.
The definition does not change in any way regardless of whether the act was response to an action or not.
I find it a stretch to claim asking the return of something that you own is "demanding payment". What was taken was the privacy of the lady. They just want it back.
Oh ffs, what a crock of shit. The definition I used clearly stated "or another benefit"
An action doesn't stop being an action under definition just because you think it's justified or if it's in response to a similar, equal or greater action.
For example, OJ went to get "what he owned" back and ended up in jail.
Another example - killing a man is a felony even if one does it in self-defense. One might get acquitted if it's in self-defense,but that doesn't stop anyone from arresting the murde_rer in the first place and being charged with a felony and a murde_r.
Threa_tening someone to release their privacy information if they don't comply with a set of demands, does NOT cease to be blackmail depending on circumstances, sorry.
Not even if you really, really want it to be or you think it's a justifiable cause.
So to sum it up, it's black_mail either way. Just in the first case it's justified, in the second it isn't. Bl'ing a guy from all orgs is enough provided the Sim card was confiscated.
The definition you provided describes benefits, presumably at the expense of the other party. However, in this situation, returning what was taken, the girl's privacy, would not result in her receiving a benefit such that she would be at a status higher than she was at the beginning. She would be where she started, which is a non-net gain and, therefore, not a benefit as I see it. Additionally, the definition doesn't discuss context. Colloquially, blackmail is considered to have occurred without cause (i.e. in the pursuit of a gain), which would not apply in this situation.
It appears as though you view the agency's response as unjustified, hence the use of the word, which begs the question, how would you have them prevent the monger from outing them to LE if not by holding his PII against him?
A benefit is a benefit. Seeking something in return for disclosing some damaging information is the definition.
"Colloquially, blackmail is considered to have occurred without cause"
Uh... no? Most cases of blak_mail occur in response to some action.
"It appears as though you view the agency's response as unjustified, hence the use of the word,"
Uh, no? I said it's qualified as such by definition regardless of whether it's justified or not.
And I stated my thoughts on the matter several times in this thread already. The person is BLd already and gave up the simcard. If he threatens to expose them, then yes their response is justified. If he is demanded to apologize and some other shit, with his pii used as blak_mail collateral, I think it's fucked up and unreasonable. I'm not a fan of holding pii hostage.
And people who read up on such situation will only want to give up pii less. Mongers already do not receive the other sides pii info. Theyre already are in a situation where their info can be manipulated, sold or misused.
Kgirl photos that will never get me in trouble, and that is to let the girl control the content. In other words, if she wants me to have a photo of her, she can text it to me. I'm never going to take one at an incall, even if the girl knows and agrees. Me taking it proves I was there. Receiving it from her by text message does not. Photos taken OTC on the outside are a different story, but those are never taken surreptitiously either, always with her consent.
many veterans will throw a blanket or towel over someone's belongings, or place food/drink outside of the room until the end.
Pre Wuhan I saw a well reviewed k girl at AG. When I put my phone down on the dresser, within minutes she put a hand towel over it. In 25 years of mongering, this was a first. Now I know why.
I used to shoot phone video of a black spinner that loved being filmed.
PRO TIP:
You suck at shooting video. The video will suck. Just enjoy the session!
And if you're shooting secretly, just please shoot yourself in the head. We don't need the drama. Personally if I was an RA and I caught you I'd have my PO shoot you.
sag
to handle this situation, but the good guys are taking the risk of jail time when it should be the bad guys. Unless you have a British accent and your job has a double-O number, shooting should be held to a minimum, IMO. Lol
... well that is certainly extreme. A bullet to the head is imo a quite hefty price to pay for an attempt to videotape. But that certainly is an opinion.
thought screening was pretty strict it about get even tighter now!
I say out this bastards handle!
thought screening was pretty strict it about get even tighter now!
I say expose him to the public!