K-girls

Yet another round of price hikes in the SF Bay area
chunking 93 Reviews 2372 reads
posted
1 / 30

Good new talent, but it comes at a price.
San Jose guys got spoiled by the price-to-quality ratio, it now seems to be adjusting.

Seeing some houses now quoting $$$.2, either outright, or as an "upsell" -- this means a 45% price hike from the start of the pandemic.

If this sticks, plan on all the other orgs to follow suit.

Be sure to submit a "Problem Report" when you find the rate has changed, that's a way of giving back.

Interested that the K-pop market seems recession-proof.

Also, if there's F/X bro's here, the USDKRW=X took a dump in January, want to hear your thoughts.

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-- Modified on 2/23/2023 3:11:36 PM

36363jensen 4 Reviews 82 reads
posted
2 / 30

It bottomed in January. I'm guessing you might have been short during the recent rally -- or am not understanding your phrasing of the situation.

 
Looks like the Jan bottom is about where the floor is as it was around a level that had been the top/resistance level for about 10 years it looks. As for what that means for us I might think a strong $ vis-a-vis the Won would produce some interest in more of the 90 day wonder girls coming by. But the down side on that is that cost of travel is a lot higher now then pre-pandemic (both in out of pocket and just PITA costs).

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 79 reads
posted
3 / 30

$300-320 (with a few select girls higher) plus $100 upsell for BBFS.  The going rate was mostly $280 during Covid.  With inflation on everything else running 20-25% from two years ago, this doesn't seem too bad as price increases go.  It could be worse.  

 
A year ago, the BA guys were complaining about the low quality of the girls they were getting.  I explained that with the rates in the BA being less than LA, the better girls are going to go South where they make more money.  If the rates are going to be equal in the BA, then the better girls will have no incentive to abandon the BA for greener pastures.  This SHOULD be considered a good thing, IMO.  

 
In the past, BA mongers have tried to address price increases with boycotts. This doesn't work.  Business DOES slow down, and this is what drives the girls to go to SoCal, Vegas, or the EC where the rates are usually higher.  As long as you are not paying MORE than other Kgirl centers like they are in Seattle, you should accept the new rates as the new normal.  

useyrhead 4 Reviews 87 reads
posted
4 / 30

I’ve forgotten the actual date of the boycott. But it was during a time when the Livre Rouge site was at its peak with providers, mongers and everyone all using the one site.

Without that centralization of all mongering content, there simply is no way to get the momentum necessary to even put on an effective boycott. Much less actually achieve success.

I completely agree with your statements regarding market driven pricing. And I too believe that normalizing it will be good for all.

Though I know there are those who will complain bitterly in the face of the inevitable.  

Nobody likes to pay more for the same service they were getting last year. But ultimately, the market is not something we can control.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 87 reads
posted
5 / 30

However, kgirl market is based on collusion, which is the opposite of a competitive market.

rgh550 60 Reviews 88 reads
posted
6 / 30

I’ve been hobbying since 2009. First in a Small city.  Now in a Large city.  In general the smaller the city, the smaller the pool of providers and the higher the costs.  Low supply. High Demand. This drives up costs.  

Then consider the venues.  Adult Finder will be cheapest and highest risk in terms of quality.  Indies might represent the most expensive squeeze out there and lowest risk in regards to quality. But there are few Kgirl indies and travelers aren’t necessarily great providers.  

Kgirl organizations may represent the best of all worlds in a moderately large city. Moderately expensive due to supply, and moderately reasonable quality also due to supply which can be improved through intelligence gathering…reviews. Demand is diminished in a large and expensive city.  

In LA costs have gone up but I feel quality amongst the GFE Kgirls have improved. PSE Kgirls tend to have more variability.  

I like Kgirling as a sport.  I lived in Korea for 1 year many years ago and in Hawaii for 6 years approximately 25 years ago.  Kgirls have always been my favorite type woman to pursue.  

I love middle aged Kgirls with experience and nice figures, especially if they like providing.  I enthusiastically embrace this time in my life and I appreciate like minded hobbyists and their contributions to this forum.  

That said, kgirling is expensive. Those lacking social skills, resources or a sense of adventure can most certainly be overwhelmed and frustrated. I can understand their frustration and it’s sad.  There is absolutely nothing I can do to increase their satisfaction.  If there was something I could do, I wouldn’t do it.  

When it comes to primordial pleasures, the strong and smart prevail in fucking the hot Kgirls.  

Isn’t that a fact of life?

badger48 125 Reviews 75 reads
posted
7 / 30

isn't it a fact of just paying the freight?
As far as the cost, I've always said Kgirls are the best value for what they're asking.
And resources, well didn't you say something about being able to panhandle enough money to see the girls?

rgh550 60 Reviews 83 reads
posted
8 / 30

I don’t pay to fuck the Kgirl.  I pay to feel free to leave after I fuck the Kgirl.  

asianprince 141 Reviews 92 reads
posted
9 / 30

More girls in LA now at higher rates in Stella at $380, Elin (Thai) at $360, NG/Asia at $350, and Rose/Danby/Jasmine at $340.  All no BBBF/MSOG without uncharge.  Bay Area has higher cost of living than Socal so $320 rate is more or less is not ridiculous however Bay guys had good for a very long time from days of $200 (vs $250 in LA) and they are less than thrilled to find out about increases.

trimix123 48 Reviews 80 reads
posted
10 / 30

The going rate for all Chinese orgs in the LA area is 400 and up.  Chinese orgs providers are mostly college age Chinese but service is not comparable to kgirl service. So a kgirl like the established legends at 350-380 is still a bargain and even more so in the BA.

badger48 125 Reviews 87 reads
posted
11 / 30

Was NG the Asia from around the middle of last year and in one of her pics she was leaning against a wall/window wearing a green plaid type of schoolgirl outfit?

asianprince 141 Reviews 86 reads
posted
12 / 30

No NG and Asia are different girls but same price level.  Asia a legend/vet vs NG a FOB young hottie.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 72 reads
posted
13 / 30

that's how it would look to a customer with a bias against the sellers.  Reason goes out the window.  

badger48 125 Reviews 83 reads
posted
14 / 30

I asked 'cause you said NG/Asia. I was talking about another Asia from last year.  
DTLA Asia is the legend, not the one I mean.
Also, did you mean NG/Angel? Someone on another site said that NG was Angel before.

RegencyHobbyist 109 Reviews 80 reads
posted
15 / 30

I understand rates going up, but what really pisses me off is when rate increases out-pace the COLA on my social security check! That’s a step too far!

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 83 reads
posted
16 / 30
asianprince 141 Reviews 90 reads
posted
17 / 30

NG = KTE Angel. yes.  Rose, Danby, and Jasmine different girls as well.  I don't know about last year's Asia.  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 91 reads
posted
18 / 30

that are like Kgirls, where if you fuck them you don't have to call or text the next day.  Kgirls just fuck someone else the next day . . . . . usually SEVERAL someone-elses.    That's one of the things that make Kgirls so much better than civvie women for sex with NSA.  

MrLovers52 79 reads
posted
19 / 30

350 an hour is the new kgirl normal here in NOVA

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 76 reads
posted
20 / 30

A person who defends kgirls and orgs with all his strength, willing to lie to fellow mongers, is calling someone else biased? Lmao get out of here.

 
In a competitive market, a competitive seller can attempt to undercut competition and lower prices and be willing to bet on userbase growth and on attracting investors to make up for the short term profit loss.

 
In a kgirl market, there is never such a thing. When one org price rises, so does everyone else's, regardless of quality or reputation.

 
As such, it is a non-competitive market.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 77 reads
posted
21 / 30

will never be the same as selling door knobs or widgets.  Also, pussy is fungible.  Most of them feel the same, so from a girl's POV, why shouldn't HER pussy be just as valuable as someone else's?  Until you reach a level where the first girl to go up has her business die, the market will continue to behave like this.  When this happens, prices will settle for awhile until some brave Kgirl decides to test the next level.   You could organize a boycott . . . . .  oh wait, that's already been done.  Lol

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 81 reads
posted
22 / 30

One more time, please try to follow what I say.  

 
In a competitive market, prices can go down via sellers undercutting competition.

Price fixing isn't a feature of a competitive market, it is a feature of collusion, oligopoly or monopolies.  

 
In a competitive market, for a seller it is almost always a good thing when your competition raises prices, becauze it means more people will be buying your products. Conversely, one of the most common usecases of collusion is to conspire to lower prices so your competition cannot actually compete and dies.  

 
We are talking within the context of orgs being on a competitive market, not kgirls being some independent contractors. Catch up already.

 
Oh, and - I never organized any boycott. Trust me, if I were to organize something of that caliber, I would plan it for at least a year and it would include actual service disruption across all channels.  

I think you're confusing me throwing support behind the boycott with me trying to organize it. Very different things. Ill support almost any and all of mass-organized monger actions simply because I think mongers lack a lot of power and such actions at least attempt to show that we do have power to influence things. Even if simply congregating into numbers initially.

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coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 78 reads
posted
23 / 30

Although, "(P)rice fixing isn't a feature of a competitive market, it is a feature of collusion, oligopoly or monopolies" to varying degrees, it's also a hallmark of an illegal industry, a fact that you like to ignore when comparing prostitution to legitimate businesses.  You should spend some of your posting time writing to Congressmen and women and tell them it's about time they legalized prostitution.  Your time will be a lot more useful that way than jousting with windmills and whining about reality when you have no power to change it, since you have conceded that boycotts don't work.  I don't believe I attributed any boycotts to being started by you.  Maybe you should read my post again.  

 
Newsflash:  You have no power to influence anything.  You are just one of tens of thousands of Kgirl mongers.  Even if you organized 100 mongers to try to get some changes made, it would be less than 1% of the scene, so it's futile, mainly because most mongers here don't see the same "problems" that you see and are happy with the system that allows them to enjoy Kgirl pussy in this illegal business with relative safety and security.  

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 74 reads
posted
24 / 30

I see, you ran out of actual economics arguments here about competitive markets, even though you've claimed that my reasoning was "out of the window". So you decide to play the "buh but it's illegal" card.

 
Tell you what, I'll spend my time as I see fit. I believe I mentioned thousands of times on here that I don't like any politicians, because I really don't like liars, no matter whether they're amateur or professional ones.

So yeah you want me to talk to habitual liars in this country about legalizing prostitution? Lmao. Sisyphus much?

 
It's interesting you saying that mongers don't have any power, while the orgs watch reviews "like hawks", read big forums and even infiltrate private groups.  
If this was the case orgs and bookers from places I never mongered wouldn't be interested in determining my identity.  

 
If small groups of mongers didn't have power, none of this would happen. Mongers have more power than you think. Power in numbers is always scary  hours for a lot of establishments and entities.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 70 reads
posted
25 / 30

you post fails to take the illegality into consideration.  You dodge this aspect every single time, which is fatal to your marketing arguments.  I'll say it again, you have no power to change anything with the Kgirl scene short of seeing a girl and then reporting her location to LE.  I think even you would say that is a scumbag move.  If you have any other power, let's hear it.  

kyungjean 6 Reviews 85 reads
posted
26 / 30

Also, don't forget what a guy said earlier about civvies - "I cannot pick up civvie girls that are the same quality and beauty as when I pay.  That's WHY I pay."

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 73 reads
posted
27 / 30

Nobody here said that.  Got a link, or just another lie?  

worried 82 reads
posted
28 / 30

Instead of trying to work a market analysis or trying to organize a boycott.  Why don't you just skip a session or two out of your regular rotation.  If you're a weekly client, go twice a month ... etc.  I just started to try this.  Now, I have 700 more a month and when I do go, the juice is sweeter.  Some of you think these shiny gems have lost their luster.  I think you should just back off the throttle and coast for a bit.  With the money you're not spending, buy yourself a Harley, or some really nice bourbon, or ANYTHING!  Think of it as free.  Don't invest it; spend it!  Works for me, it may for you.  

asianprince 141 Reviews 80 reads
posted
29 / 30

Some  guys have gone from weekly to three sessions/ month, more 30 min sessions, and no upcharge girls if bbbf/msog are important.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 91 reads
posted
30 / 30

but may be hard to stick wtih the younger you are.  Older guys can go a little longer before the pressure becomes unbearable, but when I recall my yute days, it was hard for me to focus on anything else when I wasn't getting laid regularly.  I didn't have much money then and there was no internet, so my only choice was to go to singles bars and pick up civvie girls.  The cost of a few drinks on spec was not very much.   There is also this option now, if you know where to go, but it takes a little while to learn how to create a connection quickly enough to get her home with you the same night.  

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