So GaG bemoaned the sorry state of this board become a right side train wreck fest. (Okay, he didn't go that far and it isn't THAT bad 
There is some truth to that and from what I can see it's a fairly recent phenomena.
I took some time to look back though the history -- about 8 years (54 pages). I could have missed something but I don't recall having seen anything that made it much past mid page pre dark ages (FOSTA/SESTA) in 2017. Now, I didn't even open threads that didn't have 60+ posts. It seemed that in general most threads were under 30 posts, and most of those under 20. I only recall on thread with over 100 posts -- 167. That was not a flame war. Now, there were two threads that were closed by the admins so there is that.
The first thread I found that even approached the right edge was about 11 months back -- about 80% to the right edge.
I think there are two on the current page of threads -- both over 100 (one with 200) posts.
One noticeable different between now ant before is that people generally seemed much more interested in sharing information about good times and who the good girls were and not so much about how bad things are. True, it was MUCH better before so finding a good K-girl was often as easy as throwing a rock and hitting SOMETHING. That is not the way things are now. But the board was a much better place to be then.
Would be nice to try getting back there -- will be easier once we see travel easing up and less concerns about infection I suspect. So maybe not too much longer before the train wrecks can be avoided as availability of good looking and well practiced 기생 return.
and what they have in common are the posters participating.
I don't think anyone who has spent more than about a half an hour here would need more than a few guesses to figure out which posters are involved in virtually every thread that has run to the right side of the board, I would suggest the easiest way these train wrecks can be "avoided" to borrow your term, is for the small handful of posters involved in every one of them would learn to at least "eventually' STFU and quit beating the horse long after it's dead.
Just a suggestion, I doubt any of you will take the advice and I would hardly presume to dictate to any of you on how to behave yourselves here, but you all know who you are. If you want to do something about it, you will. If you don't, well no skin off my dick either.
is an interesting concept.
I always thought online discussion forums are for discussion,however back and forth it might be.
I never thought that quality of a discussion are determined by the number of, or even the lack of, replies.
I guess that is a peculiar feature of TER.
For me personally, availability of "more good looking" doesn't change much. Liars needing to lie a little bit less doesn't change me wanting a foot on their necks 24/7. If anything, true nature of a human comes out during a famine, not a feast.
My brother Jensen,
I wish you would close your open parentheses.
Ha ha ha
Back at NotAMPmaps and Nuerotic Donkey, there were always those blue chip condom requiring mongers who would tell those of US no rules, on a budget mongers how our game 'was wrong'.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Thanks TER mod for my share!!!
YMMV
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Wait!!!!!
My reply has nothing to do with the topic above...
Nevermind
YMMV
Jensen, you’re 100% correct. The genesis of the problem is that when Neurotic Donkey stopped giving away free VIP for reviews, one of its most prolific Bay Area writers came here to exhibit his verbosity and to show us how to not only beat a dead horse, but to then pick at the rotting bones. Maybe if we all nicely lobbied the Donkey to resume giving him free VIP for reviews it would solve our right-sided problem? It’s worth a try.
Can't speak to the threads before my time on here (early 2020), but it seems like, in general, people want to get the last word in and end up basically repeating themselves. It would be interesting to see a breakdown of this in terms of poor reading comprehension and arguing for the sake of arguing.
You gotta admit brother Jensen that us kgirl mongers are alot more tame than Laffy & Co.'s Politics board. That's a TER blemish. But nobody can argue that TER prohibits free speech.
YMMV
You’re right Mr. 2on. There’s just that one guy who seems to be in the middle of so many threads on this board beating that dead horse and insisting on the last word. As exemplified by his responses above, it’s like his daily mission is to debate every little point to the end of the earth. And now he insinuates that he does so on multiple forums/sites. He must be a sad, lonely young lad.
unmoderated. During the time TER was dark in the US the mods would put you in a time out if they didn't agree with your political views. Its unmoderated now, but its the wild west and anything goes. Not for those who are shy, timid, or can't take a gut punch once in awhile. Lol
I'm not sure how you get "right leaning" by selecting posts with multiple responses. Laffy is on "ignore" by me and half the fucking posts show up as "user ignored" on P&R. I would argue that until recently it was mostly LEFT leaning by shear number of posts, including thread starters. And I would say P & R. is now closer to 50/50 than when Bigboobs, Fatpapasan, and Laffy flooded the board with their BS. Laffy is still the number one poster, which probably keeps the board somewhat alive. You can't ignore his posts and then say the board is right leaning.
1. Laffy 870 September 2005
2. coeur-de-lion 484 October 2008
3. gentleguy1020 239 April 2010
4. cks175 215 January 2007
5. GaGambler 211 June 2004
6. hpygolky 201 April 2001
7. impposter 128 May 2009
8. Beefman69 116 March 2020
9. SnakePliskken 111 October 2010
10. KCMOSHYGUY 109 April 2001
Where I said it was "right-leaning". It's been left-leaning as far back as I can remember. I wouldn't say it was right- leaning even if I was drunk. Lol Maybe you should read my post again.
I was skimming and saw 36363 Jensen saying something about 80% and right. That and I'm going senile and insane. Wasn't you, but looks like I replied and it was you that I hit reply.
Where I said it was "right-leaning". It's been left-leaning as far back as I can remember. I wouldn't say it was right- leaning even if I was drunk. Lol Maybe you should read my post again.
Agreed. As wild west as it is now, better than when Admin inserted their politics and moderation into the forum. Unless you were a lefty, then you could enjoy the protection of the leftists moderator(s). So maybe why it 'feels' more to the 'right'.
unmoderated. During the time TER was dark in the US the mods would put you in a time out if they didn't agree with your political views. Its unmoderated now, but its the wild west and anything goes. Not for those who are shy, timid, or can't take a gut punch once in awhile. Lol
I can't find anywhere that CDL even hinted that he thought the P&R board was "right leaning" I agree with him that maybe you should re read his post/s
I would also question your "top ten" blabbermouth list on TER, Not only do I NOT have 200+ posts this month, but I am not even on the top ten list of posters on that board at all, not for the last 30, 90 or even the last 180 days. I don't know when you copied and pasted your top ten list, but it couldn't possibly have been within the last six months.
You and CDL are both correct where it comes to the left leaning attitude of Admin during the "dark time" of TER. Conservative speak was completely censored and I quit posting on that board completely until the change in management when free speech was once again permitted.
For most of its existence the P&R board was moderated by "ghost moderators" who rarely if ever took any action at all regarding board posts, I know this as a fact considering the fact that I was the last "ghost moderator" of that board. The only posts that were removed back then were posts where the poster used more than one alias in the same thread, revealed personal information about another poster, or where personal threats of IRL violence were used.
I just checked the list of top 10 posters on this forum (kgirl) for the past 6 months. You are listed as #3.
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I just hit "Top 10 Posters" on Discussion Board, not P & R, at least I don't think I did. See senile and going insane comment, I'm there. You could tell me I said pelicans snort pig butts and I wouldn't argue with you.
Link to Top 10 posters, but you could also just go the top of the page and do the same thing.
https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/topPosters.asp
It was something I saw in 36363 Jensen's posts when skimming, something about 80% and right something or other. Like I said, I'm going nutty.
Top 10 Posters : Politics and Religion
View by last
30 days
NAME NUMBER OF POSTS MEMBER SINCE
1. Laffy 849 September 2005
2. gentleguy1020 239 April 2010
3. coeur-de-lion 213 October 2008
4. cks175 175 January 2007
5. hpygolky 169 April 2001
6. Beefman69 110 March 2020
7. KCMOSHYGUY 92 April 2001
8. willywonka4u 83 July 2006
9. Robertini 79 June 2001
10. MojoStu 76 September 2017
The count "by poster" on the Top Ten list it is Lefties 5, righties 4, and who really knows what the fuck Robertini is. lol But if you do a count by sheer number of posts on that board and you add up the posts by Laffy, Inicky and GentleGuy alone they number about 1,600 posts on P&R just in the last 30 days, which is at least twice the number of posts of EVERY righty on that board by just the three of those three morons.
Don't get me wrong, that board has always been a cesspool, it's just a cesspool dominated by a handful of mainly lefty lunatics right now.
Except as GaG says, there's a handful of rowdy troublemakers that need to quit the digital machismo displays and going at each other's throats for no damn reason. You're giving the best board on TER a bad name, sheesh. What is the point of these feuds, I have no idea.
I always think it is fucking hilarious when I scroll down and it gets to the one-letter-per-line-zone. I just laugh and hit the back button.
Go book a kgirl and get that poison out! And stop the childish bickering!
Some of us appreciate that overall the 411 here is accurate and relevant but we're just as burned out on the constant flame wars, insults, and "I've been fucking K-girls since you were in diapers" diatribes just as we're tired of the Trump/MAGA/ProudBoys vs. ANTIFA/BLM/MoveOn verbal and physical fisticuffs on the national political scene. Keep in mind that this is coming from a charter member of the site with the book colored red, and someone who has participated/contributed heavily in the mapping of rubs and AAMPS before they were banished to the Swiss colony of neurotic donkeys. I'm always happy to share info with respectful reciprocating adults, but I don't care to be berated because I was 2 inches off in judging the height (or 5 years off in judging the age) of some young lady I saw a couple of days ago. Seriously folks, I'm all for healthy discussion and respectful differences of opinion, but the constant flaming and bickering gets quite old.
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Where else to discuss the hobby? Because. I have found the only other board that is somewhat active to have minimal useful information
Ever since I’ve been judiciously using the TER Ignore feature, this site has been showing signs of improvement. It’s purely subjective, of course. And I do have sympathy for the guys who for some reason can’t stop themselves from diving into the vortex and don’t realize it’s only a toilet until too late. But everyone must decide for themselves who they allow to have power in their lives.
Once you identify people who post a lot but rarely, if ever, provide any real value, while frequently posting crap that is clearly just intended to instigate argument, the path to a better TER experience becomes quite clear.
So, yes, my recommendation is to judiciously apply the TER Ignore feature. Even the worst trolls die off if no one responds.
"useful content" as the benchmark for putting useless members on Ignore. The collateral problem I have with that is that many of the ones providing misinformation are also the same ones giving bad advice, and when I see somebody post something that, if followed, could get them blacklisted, I feel I have a duty to at least present my own perspective based on substantial experience. Its a double edged sword whether to leave newer guys to flounder on their own like many of us had to do in the beginning, or to speak up and perhaps steer them away from a bad decision. Of course, speaking up is likely going to incur the wrath of the person who gave the bad advice, but that is price you pay sometimes for trying to do good towards others. As the old saying goes, "No good deed goes unpunished." Very true.
Cdl, youve seen GaG post that one needs to walk if there is b&s and the girl is a lot worse looking than advertised. I can't remember you saying you shouldn't walk, because you might be BLd. So why didn't you speak up there and tell him its bad advice?
There are a lot of things that can get you blacklisted that many people agree mongers should do (such as, post truthful reviews, walk if it's bait and switch, walk if it's 25 minutes past your appointment time and PO is ghosting you)... I don't really remember you taking offense to everything that can get you BLd and advising against it.
So is that a bad advice as well?
There are so many things you can get BLd for, if you're afraid of all of them, then probably to appease the entities that do blacklist you, you become a...
spineless suckup, as Gag would say.
Of course, some would rather be spineless suckups as long as they aren't BLd, than someone fighting for truth and public sharing of info, and truthful negative reviews. I get it.
at this point in the thread is useful content, and you are calling me out, I will respond. I don't take offense to "everything" you can get BL'd for without knowing he details of the specific things you are referring to.
Again, you are binary in your thinking. There are no universal circumstances where you can walk out of a session and not risk getting blacklisted, but you're talking in generalities like you always do, and then insisting that all situations are the same, black and white. There are times when I HAVE walked out of a session without getting blacklisted (admittedly, its rare) and there are times I walked out NOT CARING if I DID get blacklisted.
GaG and I rarely disagree on anything to do with fucking Asian girls, and I don't think he has set down any "rules" he has for when to walk out other than fat, old or ugly (not him, the girl). I agree with those rules, and I would do the same, but my own threshold for old is different than his, so that's why you can't cite one monger's rules as a standard for all mongers, which is what you like to do. GaG and I are probably pretty close on the threshold for fat and ugly.
So addressing YOUR specific examples of reasons to walk, I will say this . . . . 1) bait and switch - its okay if the girl is fat, ugly or really old, but you need to make sure the booker knows why you are walking. If you're half way through, and the service is terrible, then you leave early and tell the booker why. When you stay the whole hour and then complain that the service was terrible, you come off as a whiny cunt. If you walk out half way through, it gives cred to your claims and the booker will usually make it up to you somehow, like a hundred off on your next girl or something similar. 2) 25 minutes past the starting time. This has probably happened to me a dozen times, but I just text the booker and tell them I took a specific amount of time off of work to see this girl, and now SHE has made it impossible for me to stay for the hour, so I'm leaving and will reschedule. Never got any blowback on this one. I don't care if they respond or not. I have a screen shot of the text with the time on it. Ghosting me just makes it easier to slip away on my own terms.
What I take offense to is guys using frivolous excuses to bail on a session once they have walked inside. If I'm going to walk, it has to be for a reason the booker cannot dispute. I think my two answers in the paragraph above make that clear.
I agree with you on both of your points actually.
Although I'd say 25 mins is too long to stay and wait. If you're with an org that does back to backs, you'll be getting 30 mins instead of an hour. At such orgs I'd say 10 mins is the most. But you can definitely get BLd for leaving before. Just the other day seen someone post on another forum about a guy in LA waiting for 25 mins for Emma and leaving, PO said he's banned.
I agree about walking out after spending some time with a girl. Thats just dumb, lol.
My issue with your statement really was your blanket statement is that you prevent others from doing everything that you can be BLd for. You can get BLd for a negative review that is 100% truth and is your right. You can get BLd from doing something that make see common sense and is the right thing to do, just because of a bookers whim or him nor liking this.
was this guy's mistake and why he got banned. Doing what I said will prevent that. Just tell them you are leaving BEFORE you leave. The booker might come back and say, "go now, she's ready", to which I would respond that it doesn't work for me because I have to be back at my office at a specific time. I will tell them that if they had told me the session was going to be for an hour starting at 2:20 rather than 2:00, I would have had the option to either pass, or adjust my schedule if I could, but I cannot change my afternoon business appointments on the fly because the girl is not ready. I have an obligation to be on time, but so does the girl. There's nothing I can do at this point except return to my office. Sorry.
In twelve years, I only had one pushback by a booker on this point. I just told him that if he gets a review that says one hour at other places is only 40 minutes at this place, it won't be very good for business. I also told him that it he can't keep the schedule running within ten minutes of being on time, then I can't be a customer. He did not BL me, and was very deferential the next time I booked. Never had that problem with him again. Bookers are business people and they want to maximize revenue, but they are also smart enough to know when they are on the losing end of an argument. The trick is to TELL him your leaving, and why, then leave. This guy in your example just left, and I'm willing to bet he ghosted the booker afterward. That leaves it up to the booker to decide what the reason he left was, and its not going to be anything that comes down on the side of the monger. Communication is the key in dealing with situations like this.
You'll have to show me where I said I "prevent others from doing everything that you can be BLd for." If you can show me the word "everything" then I will agree you are right to call me out on this point, but if you can't, then once again, you are making things up and putting words in other people's mouths in order to try to make your point credible. I will wait while you look it up and tell me if I EVER said "Everything." If I didn't, then this is another overreach on your part.
I was wrong, you did not use the word everything, I apologize.
You did say "when I see somebody post something that, if followed, could get them blacklisted"
I took it personal to mean it as anything that can result in a bl. Such as posting a negative review if booker knows your handle. Hence my indignation. You know how I feel about it...
Also....there are instances when you are threatened with BL if the girl isn't up to par. And yes, monger should grow balls and walk, but that doesn't mean that you potentially can end up BLd. Everyone has a different 'not up to par' , but given that many are such a far cry from their pics nowadays I'd argue if a pic is completely fake you have full right to walk. I've had a PO once swear to me the pics were real. They were completely fake,not even any resemblance. I believe in that situation I had the right to walk and itd be the right advise to do so.
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that do stupid shit that is just begging to be BL'd. Even if you're a good customer, there is a tipping point where you just become more trouble than having your business is worth. With more and more mongers returning to Kgirl-land post-Covid, bookers will no longer be desperate to appease the jerks among us, and they will be systematically culled from the herd by blacklisting. So a guy who is walking out on more than a couple of sessions a year is not the kind of business they want. You have a right to expect a reasonable match between the presentation and the reality of the girl's appearance, but nit-picking will make you tiresome, then you will reach the tipping point and they will no longer accept your bookings.
I can't disagree with you in principle about walking on a fake pic, but without experiencing the service, is it a wise move? I don't think so. I have only had a few girls that were so ugly I couldn't get wood just seeing them in their lingerie, so it would make going through with the session a waste of time. But here again, when you book, you should ask the booker if the the photos are actually her, because if they're not, tell him you won't be staying. This puts the booker on notice that the booking could go south if he's trying to bait and switch you. Now its up to him to decide if he wants to risk it or just tell you which girls are using real pics. Just remember that the last several years, since homeland security started using facial recognition software, photos have necessarily had to be heavily shopped. Its just part of the reality for these girls. Girls that have been busted for prostitution also have to hide their real appearance, or its a probation violation if they are arrested again.
We aren't talking just about "stupid" guys though. We have talked about walking out before, and we had guys like GaG and useyrhead saying to grow up a pair and walk. Yet this can and does cause orgs to BL you. So does not waiting, as I've written below- see quote from that dude.
Anything that isn't paying up every time and keeping your mouth shut when it comes to subpar reviews, can potentially result in BL. Hell, the PO can be on a rag and BL you for looking sideways being on a power trip.
Instead of orgs appeasing mongers, your best advice is instead to appease orgs ? And go through with girls you don't really wanna fuck just so your status is preserved...I disagree with this, as you may know already.
And two walks per year is really, really low, especially with the volume someone like you sees.
The funniest thing about the time the PO swore the pics were real ? That was unsolicited. I didn't ask about the pics' veracity. She herself started raving that the photos were 100% real. When they were 100% fake. I don't get it, what was the point of lying to me if I was about to see the real thing eventually ? It just leaves bad taste in my mouth.
I'm talking more about guys who are playing 20 questions about each girl with the booker, or switch their booking to a different girl, or even cancel, on the day of the appointment, or nit-pick about everything, etc. THESE are the guys where the booker reaches a tipping point and decides his business is just not worth the maintenance. And as I said, guys get BL'd all the time for stupid shit like this.
Haven’t you, Gaga, Jensen and I covered this exact ground with him before?
I can’t read his reply. But I’m betting he’s either fabricating some artificially constructed “exception” or misreading what you’ve said to construe it to meaning something else so that he can claim is anti-monger. Pick any response that just keeps the thread going rather than ever yielding a point or even just open communication.
If this is one of those surpassingly rare occasions where he genuinely reads your reply and acknowledges the reality of it (which fits my experience and that of other mongers who have been seeing kgirls longer than he has) then I will publicly apologize.
But CDL will have to let me know. Because I’m maintaining my neutral status and not reading troll replies.
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Somebody please tell me that there are some great new Kgirl threesomes we can distract our selves with. I’ll even drive down to LA.
Anyone?
Although you can't really excuse ghosting, in this example the booker shouldn't have to decide why he left. Late is late. Do bookers think the agency's time is more valuable than ours? If it's 20 minutes past your appointment time and you don't respond, the booker knows why.
Agreed.
Besides, I went and reread the post that guy made. He actually TOLD the booker he's leaving.
In most cases, these people giving “bad advice” are doing it deliberately to evoke a response. In other words, to provoke others and get attention for it.
Though I also have too often taken that bait and dove headfirst into the vortex that turned out to just be a flushing toilet. So, you’ll get no judgement from me.
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in being a good swimmer. Lol
I’m sure that has something to do with it.
On the “bad advice” topic: I genuinely believe that most people can tell the difference between good and bad advice pretty quickly. If a response is even required (doubtful in my mind, but everyone must make that decision for themselves) a single reply is more than enough.
The die hard trolls will always try the deliberately misquoted responses to keep a thread going and going and ...
And that’s when you start to hear the fateful sound of a toilet flushing.
IMO this site is not bad, it's a really helpful tool to safely navigate the hobby. I've used TER (and before TER a San Diego specific site) for 20+ years with great success, and have avoided being robbed, ripped off, or worse. A vast majority of the ladies I've met using TER have been very nice and good providers. Before TER, it was a total crapshoot for me.
That said, are there some fake reviews here? Sure, but my belief is that they are the outliers and with a little research are pretty easily identified. Are there some douchebags on the message boards? Sure, but again they're easily identified and can be blocked or ignored. In the end, TER is what you/we choose to make of it, but for $20 per month it's a great resource to have in the toolbox.
Personally I don't think the site or the specific board is that bad. The board is just not as good as it was before -- good being both about info shared and just good hangout place. Recently that doesn't seem the case and I do think that is in part due to the increasing number of threads that run across the page and not with good back and forth (as was as likely as not - or perhaps more so - before).
That’s why I’ve previously suggested that we not respond to the argumentative guys. Fires burn themselves out without fuel.
I couldn’t agree more.
I would also recommend that, if any of those “argumentative send little probing DMs asking which girl you like, whether you’re married, or any other elements of your back story, you proceed with caution.
They tend to be somewhat predatorial. If you reveal anything or if you respond at all, they can attempt to use it in some way against you. Either here in the forum or outside in the real world.
I realize that sounds paranoid. But I have seen things just like that happen over the years. From the “but I dm’d you and...” to darker and far more malicious actions.
On the other hand, since the worst possible scenarios are far less common, you can just pretend they don’t happen and play the odds that you won’t be the exception to whom one of them occurs. Your choice.
I have personally had two girls I liked targeted by predators from monger forums (fortunately, this has not yet happened on TER) who thought they’d show me how these girls are supposed to be treated. One was so badly injured that she could never work again. This is why you typically won’t see me revealing the names of girls with whom I frequently repeat
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I'm not sure how you have read a PM I've sent to someone else. If the actual recipient of this PM is reading though, he has my word that the pm Ive sent was harmless.
I simply thought I was *my ego growing* smart enough to have figured out a girl he liked, similar how to I thought I knew who KlientDMV was. And the rest was simply some advice on things from my side on relationships with kgirls.
I'm sorry if that pm felt 'predatory' - I wouldnt ever lay a finger on any working girls and I certainly would not hurt fellow mongers.
I agree, the site is fine. This board has one or more characters posting who have turned it into an intelligence desert, IMO. Not worth posting here, especially anything positive, tempting the troll(s) come out to flame the poster. Negative comments about orgs or girls, on the other hand, are welcomed with a warm smile and open arms.
on monger to booker communication best practices using one of our trolls as a proxy. I just keep the troll on Ignore and read CDL’s notes.
Though I believe that there are only very few mongers who actually don’t understand these things. There certainly must be a few. Since there are mongers who do get blacklisted and seem to have no clue as to what they might have done to cause it.
If anyone has ever been blacklisted for reasons they can’t explain, I highly recommend reading CDL’s booker communication primer above. I’ve worked with mongers who didn’t understand these things and gotten themselves blacklisted before. It’s good stuff to know.
It’s easy to forget that the department store and restaurant customer service rules we all know don’t apply - at least not in the same way - to orgs who are dealing with pretty high demand, short supply, a bunch of pretty little kgirls working as contractors (with varying degrees of independence) and the need to operate without any legal protections.
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Nonsense. Positive comments about girls or orgs are posted all the time, without any issues whatsoever.
The only things I have issues with are the ideas of not wanting or suppressing negative feedback in public (ie in public reviews or on a public review board- which is what TER is), and I'm simply arguing for posting it for everyone to see, just like "positive" info is posted. And the other thing I'm arguing for are monger rights.
I've never flamed anyone for posting something "positive" about a girl or org on here. Maybe you're referring to someone else though.
So, you assume I was referring to you then, interesting.
My opinion stands though. This board has one or more characters posting who have turned it into an intelligence desert, by driving away open conversation.
Afraid everyone will realize you’re right.