Besides K-Girls and independents there are at least three other categories:
1. Agency girls (Chinese, Brazilian, Russian, local...)
2. Pimped whores
3. AMPs
In 2009 there was no K-girls board and there were no regional ad boards. Everything was posted on the L.A. discussion board. Providers posted their ads and took part in the discussion board. That was also the time K-fanboys started posting in large numbers on the L.A board. They exalted K-girls and exulted in them.
But it wasn't enough for K-fanboys to rave about K-girls. They were also hostile to "indies." They attacked and insulted non K-girls who posted on the board. They were led by Harpman who referred to non K-girls as " overage, overpriced, overweight , bad attitude second rate so called home grown indies." The open hostility of K-fanboys drove all the "indies" off the L.A. board until the only one left was Ashley Shye and her threADs.
Ad boards were created for providers in 2011 and the K-girl board was split off from the L.A. Discussion board in 2013. But the hostility against "indies" continued on the K-girl board. "Indies" became a pejorative term, used by Harpman and his followers to insult any provider who wasn't a K-girl.
And when you talk about K-girls vs. "indies," you're not comparing apples to oranges; you're comparing apples to apples. You're not comparing agency girls to "indies," you're comparing "indies" to "indies." Technically, ALL Kgirls are indies. They work when they want and where they want, and are not employees of the agency, nor are they accountable to anyone. The agency merely supplies booking services and incall facilities for which the girls pay a set fee the same as they would for a hotel room. So these girls fit the model of independent contractors, and NOT employees of any agency. That makes them just as independent as ANY other indie. If you look at most agency websites, they state the girls are independent.
In the thread about tips for the first time with a K-girl, I said: "...go see an "indie" AKA an American AKA a white girl (BTW, it's time to stop calling non K-girls "indies." But that's for another thread)." The reason I said "white girl" was simply a matter of TER review numbers. Leaving out the 25,000 reviews for Asians, there are about 40,000 reviews of Latinas and African Americans combined. That's about 25% of the reviews of White providers if you include French, German, English, Baltic and Eastern European providers. If you say White girls instead of "indies," it will be understood you're including ALL ethnicities. It's a matter of convenience to refer to the majority of providers to describe all non K-girls.
So it's time to stop calling non K-girls "indies." Call them "Americans" or "White" as GaG did here:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/i-am-not-going-to-dispute-your-points-regarding-this-review-18506?frmSearch=1#18506
You can call non K-girls whatever you want but don't call them "indies" anymore.You'll just be carrying on the hateful legacy of Harpman. And as I pointed out above, K-girls ARE "indies." It makes no sense to call non K-girls "indies" when K-girls are "indies" too.
why are you still on this board? nobody gives a shit what you have to say, idiot. we will call them whatever we want. now go and scrape some pennies together and see a provider and write a real review, so that you can add one scrap of value to this site.
moron.
sunny boy, are you still dreaming about marrying a K-girl? Or have you married one? If not, why not?
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/in-a-split-second-13380?frmSearch=1#13380
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/holy-shit-13421?frmSearch=1#13421
Is this REALLY the best you've got? And what does a years old thread completely unrelated to THIS conversation have to do with the ANYTHING we are talking about today?
So fat ass, are you still dreaming about eating the entire buffet, or have you already done so, and if not, why not?
why are you still on this board?
SLAmpVIP
SLUmpVIP:
I have almost 19,000 posts on TER.
GaG has almost 44,900 posts on TER in two years less time on TER than me.
why is GaG still on this board?
Lemme guess... he has no other activities in his life that keep him away from TER?
Some of his posts actually provide useful information. I don't know if I have seen a single post of yours that doesn't involve some type of flame war or trolling.
FWIW
SLAmpVIP
Do you think this post by GaG a few posts above involves "some type of flame war or trolling?"
"So fat ass, are you still dreaming about eating the entire buffet, or have you already done so, and if not, why not?"
GaG butted in for no reason and made a K-monger look like a weak, hapless fool who needed GaG to defend him. Would you like me to answer him in kind and start a REAL flame war? You said NOTHING about his flame post. Why not?
You respect coeur-de-lion, don't you? This is what he had to say about name-calling:
"Once again, you use name-calling in place of an argument. Like usual, it means you have nothing to add to the topic except a childish tantrum. Just a whiny little cunt, aren't you?..."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/politics-and-religion-39/once-again-you-use------367648?page=1
So tell me, are you going to chastise GaG for his name-calling? Are you going to call him a "whiny little cunt?"
Yeah, sure you will.
To pull flame posts of mine off of the P & R board, where almost every post from everybody includes some kind of cheap shot. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Its also interesting that you justify your own CONSISTENT bad behavior by taking posts of others out of their original context. You have always done this. Most of the flames you get are AFTER you have denigrated someone else, or on this board, after you have denigrated Kgirls.
He sure seems to use me as his "go to source" more often than EVERYBODY else on every other board combined. I certainly hope he doesn't think he can charge me for all the time I spend in his head.
I wonder if he will now call you a "weak and hapless fool" just because I "had to" come in and save you too. lol
I have almost 19,000 posts on TER.
SLAmpVIP
Kgirls are my temporary reprieve from my life of quiet desperation. And then there are others aka Indies who I have zero interest in sessioning with. Zip. Zero. Nada.
You don't get it. You don't get us. Yeah you're a monger but you haven't lived until you've sessioned with a fiery spirited kgirl.
Papa babo, you need to borrow $280 from your Mom and go get a session with Ms Pepsi and report back. If it isn't the bestest ever session, I'll stop disagreeing with you. If it is, join the kgirl forum and be welcome.
NOBODY likes you or wants you here, so what gives you the right to tell the rest of us what terms to use? Citing my usage of "White girls" when calling you out for something else stupid that you have said doesn't mean that I agree with you.
And PLEASE don't send me a bill for all this time I have been living in your head. It was empty space to begin with and I am not living there out of choice. Is there ANYONE that you quote more than me? If you think so much of my opinion than PLEASE take my advice and just go the fuck away.
That you're NOT racist against Kgirls? It didn't work on me. Harpman's last post here was five and a half years ago. Live in the past much??? I see indies, so I don't denigrate them, but I will be the first one to admit that, overall, I do not get consistent service from indies the way I do from Kgirls. Some are as good as Kgirl service, but most are not, but I continue to see 12-15 indies a year just for a little variety and to have some current non-Kgirl references for when I'm traveling. The indies I see span multiple ethnicities, so it would be inaccurate for me to refer to them as "white."
The vast majority of indies manage their own brand. They create their own advertising and have their own website. Its rare for Kgirls to do this. The booking agency handles all of that, so its not exactly apples and applies, as you claim. Its a completely different business model. I have also never seen an indie that saw more than three customers in a day. By contrast, we all know the Kgirls are higher volume without sacrificing any quality. This keeps the rates in check as opposed to indies. Top end DDG Kgirls are $300 while low-end fugly indies are $300. As Warren Buffet says, "price is what you pay, but value is what you get." The greater value in Kgirls is undisputed by anything I have seen in the indie market. Trying to equate Kgirls with indies just doesn't work.
Besides K-Girls and independents there are at least three other categories:
1. Agency girls (Chinese, Brazilian, Russian, local...)
2. Pimped whores
3. AMPs
All these are both not K-Girls, and not independent. Calling any provider who is not a K-Girl "indy" mischaracterizes the world. If your focus is tightly on K-Girls it's handy to have a short word for "any other provider", I suppose. It works only in this limited context.
The one thing we should ALL agree on is that the fat ass lying piece of shit who has NEVER been so much as in the same room as a K-Girl should NOT be dictating to us what we decide to call providers who are not K-Girls.
I suggest the OP go onto the Tranny board and start dictating to them what they should call Non Tranny providers. I would hope and expect that they would tell him to Go Fuck Himself as should we. Hey BLPOS Go FUCK YOURSELF!!!
I agree
An indie is simply someone who is independent
There are corg girls, non-asian agency girls, storefront amp girls (usually Asian but often Latina as well), Latina house girls (Vegas special) and so on.
I honestly don't know why the exact terminology is consiedered such a big deal on this site. As long as we communicate well what and who we mean, I think it suffices. Caring about some terms because someone may end up offended, or because they remind you of what some poster did or said years ago...kinda approaches lunacy to me.
and since he doesn't see K-Girls in the first place, why should any of us care about what he wants or thinks?
Some terms simply exist because that's the term people use. Like the term ATF, how many of us really think of our "current favorite" as our "All Time Favorite" I don't think that term is very accurate either, but I am not going to launch a campaign on GD to change it.
Here's my opinion on the subject. Fuck BLPOS and fuck what he wants any of the rest of us to do.
Eh I've seen or been a part of several arguments about terms on here already. This one, the "negative reviews" one, the "org reviews" one, the gfe one, ymmv one, the prostitute/hooker one, the 'whore* one and so on.
It's fine to argue about it, but when it overshadows things to the point it distracts people from point they were trying to make, it's like, was it really needed?
I agree that the term in this thread is probably used incorrectly sometimes, but its hardly a big deal if everyone understands the context.
It's so sad that you don't have one monger bro to support you Papa babo. This is the kgirl forum. We enjoy the company of fiery spirited kgirls. You need to chill if you come into this forum. Getting a session with a kgirl will help you with your chill. It's Friday...
he could never pass the screening to see a Kgirl even at the orgs with easy screening. That's why we all knew his claim of seeing Cami was BS from the get-go.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I am of the opinion that there are the outlier mongers who these kgirls will session with despite not having the good looks and charm we possess. No? I've heard many stories from vampire kgirl of some of the weirdos these kgirls service but as long as they're respectful and follow instructions they are tolerated.
It will be alot easier if Papa babo is a full disclosure monger like me. Granted, I don't think he'll find it as easy as Rocketbro gaining entry as an anonymous monger.
Sure, Papa babo will have to pay his dues, like most of us have. I am a long time regular of a particular TW org; I love TW ladies! The TW org booker got me in with the kgirls here in the Bay Area. I still have access to the TW ladies but they don't deliver the goods like fiery spirited kgirls. But TW ladies are fun for a nice change of pace.
Is there a low tier org you can recommend where Papa babo can gain reference to Ms Pepsi quality RAs in the Wilshire district?! Word is Ms Pepsi isn't taking appointments anyway.
CDL, who are some of the mid or top tier kgirls similar in appeal to Ms Pepsi who are currently working in the Wilshire district? Just curious. I know it's not shill Friday but inquiring minds want to know. I haven't been to LA in almost a decade.
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Ive known you like forever and didnt realize you were hated so much! Haha
And speaking of old timers, wheres Froomie, Capt Renault, M...somethingman, and few others from the golden age of Irene, Jackie, Annabelle etc?
...and many K-fanboys just echo the vitriol hurled at me by the Pied Piper of this board. I'll have to write an OP about it but I'll give you one example now - YOU can use the word "kho" and nobody as much as raises an eyebrow. But if I said K-ho, everyone would tear their hair out and say what a racist I am. I'm sure they would justify their lack of outrage at you because they will say you say it "affectionately" while I'm a racist when I say it. Double standard much?
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/damn--oc-gotten-bigtime-20436?frmSearch=1#20436
As far as old timers go, Cenzo, lechez and taquitoguy are still going strong. And The Captain Has Spoken...as recently as two months ago.
Submitted for your consideration and approval...
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive....
Ummm, NO!
My first experience with Papa babo was when he posted about the misfortune of a Korean family in LA and tried to link it to kgirls; these kgirls are already fearful enough and it was like adding a gallon of gasoline to a house already on fire...
My second experience with Papa babo was when he posted about sessioning with Ms Cami. We later came to realize he's completely full of it.
So, if bbqbro wants to call a kgirl a kho, I don't see that as anything other than him expressing his free speech; unlike fear mongering and lying.
My opinion and $6.00 will get you across the bridge.
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...anyone who took it seriously is...how shall I put this delicately?...a fucking moron!!
"I called the booker and he rolled out the red carpet for me." For me? The guy who everyone says has never seen a K-girl? Why would a booker roll out the red carpet for me?
"I went home, called the booker and read him the riot act." Has anyone EVER read the booker "the riot act?" Especially over a two inch height difference?
"He apologized profusely and agreed to immediately have Cami's height in her ad changed to 5'4"." Has a booker ever "apologized profusely" to anyone? And then immediately agree to change the height in the ad?
The whole purpose of the post was to show that criteria in TER profiles can be changed...even for a provider with 178 reviews. The language I used was so ridiculous that it should never have been taken seriously. I still can't believe how everyone was ranting and raving about my post.
Seriously, Swoon, what's wrong with you? You asked two or three times in that thread when I would be writing a review of my "session with Cami." SMH
Submitted for your consideration and approval - that's Rod Serling's catchphrase; get your own.
Hindsight is 20/20 - take another look at my post:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/cami-178-reviews-in-four-years--so-i-says-to-myself-19097?page=
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You will be here after known to me as simply 'Babo'.
Vampire kgirl explained to me that it means monkey in Korean but when applied to a person, it means special needs; the 'R' word...
I shall express my poetic license however I choose; thank you TER kgirl mod!!!!
The Pied Piper of Hamelin did a service of getting rid of the rats in Hamelin in exchange for gold. He did his part of the bargain. It was the leaders of Hamelin who chose to attempt to cheat him and not fulfill their part of the bargain when he went to collect his gold for services rendered. So, upon being cheated and disrespected by the leaders of Hamelin, the Pied Piper decided to take all the children from the town the next morning and sold them ALL into slavery as restitution for being cheated. Thus the phrase 'the Piper MUST be paid'.
Oscar Wilde wrote 'imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness'. I am, and will always be, a fan of Rod Serling's work. And in these days of Plan-demic, it sure feels like 'The Twilight Zone'. Check out the YouTuber 'Computing Forever'; the Plan-demic is a PsyOps.
Babo, you're a sad sad man. I feel sorry that you feel the need to come to this forum, a forum for those of us who patronize kgirls; despite the fact that you don't partake. You're a sad sad man.
It's Friday and for those about to ROCK, I salute you! And for those about to chill, I salute you too!
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I took your post seriously. I didn't think someone would make up all this dumb shit just to prove a point. I was wrong.
I TOLD YOU SO!!! LOL
As you can see, those of us who have known this fat lying tub of lard for years KNEW he was lying immediately. I hope you are no longer on the fence about BLPOS and now see him for what he is.
Ever worked with kids enough to know that phase some (most? All?) go through where they make stuff up to get a reaction? Then when they realize you know it was not true they say “you knew I was kidding, right?” Or “It was a joke!”.
That is exactly what this twit tried to pull off here. Some people apparently don’t grow out of this phase.
I beleieve I already made it clear that I don't seek shortcuts or take many people's words blindly. I prefer to test shit out and make my own path, rather than to follow. If it involves me re-inventing a wheel a few times, then let it be it. Best type of learning experience is negative experience. I'd like to keep fellow regular joe mongers off that, but myself I welcome such experiences in every facet of the game.
you got some funky post style. man.
all the posts ive seen over the years you got the most unique one iv seen.
by the way i'm not for or against your papa san. other then me, i assume everyone BS somewhat on the board. so just read their stuff as entertainment.
anyway, i leave you with my everlasting mantra: "don't marry or date a kgirl!" cause she probably sucked my love juice for lunch!
i just used kho for what it is. korean hookers. which they are so don't mean racist or affection. haha
glad the old geezers are around! (this one i use "affectionately"! hahaha) and sadly i might be one soon
cause the other day i actually got called an "ahjussi" fuck
removed from the oppa zone. What to do? lol
And now is trying to tell you he is just "misunderstood". He must think you are an idiot. . . . .
"What FACTS do you have that I would ever want to see disgusting, 11 guys a day fucking, disease-carrying, non-English speaking, BBFS cum dumpster K-girls?"
Seems pretty hard to "misunderstand" this statement to me.
And here I thought Papa babo didn't have one bro to support him...
I stand corrected!
😉
I’ve completely stuck with the K girls and their business model for a while now having completely given up all other forms of ‘p4p’ many years ago.
At least in the Bay Area there is no other option at all for quality entertainment. Historically there have been indie providers in socal who may provide K girls looks or similar quality services but with higher prices.
My view on this applies to the C houses and orgs who I also wish to not support and do wish for them to close up shop with their inferior services, talent, and questionable practices.
And part of the issue with the C houses is they’re often associated alongside the K girls which if you’re knowledgeable about the hobby, you know that actually makes little sense because the level of service and experience is so vastly different.
If someone or a group of people wishes for the K girls to achieve market dominance, I’m completely okay with that. For a variety of reasons. And especially as a frequent visitor and lover of k girls. Heading to the forums and making a post is maybe one of the best ways to achieve that.
For a variety of reasons there is no reason to visit girls outside of the k girl’s business model. Helping them and their business model achieve further prominence in the market is one such reason.
Not because they are false, but because they are TRUE. lol
Yes, there is very little comparison between the K-Orgs and the C-Orgs in either quality of appearance, quality of facilities, or quality of service, the K-Orgs are superior in EVERY way sad to say. I will say the Thai-Orgs do rival the K-Orgs in many ways, unfortunately you do get a lot of "butter-faces" with Thai Girls, which are rather rare with K-Girls.
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I think there are many beautiful women in China.
Unfortunately, they do not send them here (certainly not to the SF Bay Area), with any real regularity.
I will say one thing, when the old storefronts used to be in business I would visit C operated ones and I do look back on those experiences fondly. I got along great with those C RAs, with some spas having very beautiful (and if you were lucky on the younger side) ladies working. Again, at that time the K operated storefront options were typically providing the same 'product' (same general experience), but with typically cleaner facilities, better service and possibly on average better looking girls.
Unfortunately it is unknown where a lot of those young, beautiful storefront girls have gone, as the current C AAMP setups typically feature milfs, and if young girls are present the experience is typically not 'pse' or 'gfe', like we get with the K girls so I choose not to partake.
Back when I did pay some of those C run AAMP setups a visit, I had experiences that made me decide that I would no longer patronize them going forward.
In sum, C houses hold their own in the storefront market along with the K houses, but when it comes to AAMPs and incall locations, C houses simply cannot compete with the K girls at all, and again C run AAMPs and motel/hotel locations also tend to end up causing problems in the areas they operate in.
It's unfortunate, but it is without question a reality of the hobby. This is one instance where you can choose to vote with your wallet and support the K locations.
I am related to several of them, but none of them are hookers (that I know of at least. lol)
Yes, It's not just the Bay Area, I have lived in many different states and it seems to be the same all over. C-AMPs tend to be no worse than K-AMPS, but we aren't talking top or even 2nd tier here in the first place. For some reason it seems like almost ALL the Chinese providers are 50+ years old with the "babies" still being over 40, by contrast there are plenty of 30ish K-Girls, many of whom look 25 or younger. Not to mention, even with the older, 40+ K-Girls at the K-AAMPs I can't remember the last one I saw with a flabby body no matter how old she was, I of course can't say the same about the AMP's of course.
And yes, like you I most definitely vote with my wallet and despite my Chinese heritage I will almost always choose a K-Org over a C-Org.
It seems we are in agreement on the lack of quality working C talent in and around the bay.
Just to clarify, the point I was getting at is that the only attractive C providers I've actually encountered have been at storefronts. There used to be a storefront spa in sj (my old favorite spa) that hosted young hotties fairly regularly (including a few DDG 10 level girls that came through there). Those girls were a lot of fun. Service not like the k girls it ranged from non-gfe to a lite form of gfe. But you got a massage with oil as part of the package. I was getting couple massages a week on some weeks and still banging k girls when these places were in operation.
What I recommend is to take an objective look at the situation with the AAMPs. Even if you're of Chinese heritage yourself, you may not be directly to blame for the low quality of the AAMPs. You said you mainly like to go with k girls.
Well I don't think you're doing your people a disservice, or anything like that. You're a customer in a market who made a buying decision. Nothing more.
Part of it has to do with a cultural difference on the way service should be handled. C girls are less prone to offer dfk and all the other services we've come to love from the k girls.
But I have actually encountered a very different "service" level with the Chinese girls, I have gotten not just GFE but a lot of actual GF offers. Even in some of the Chinese stores with rather strict rules against the girls "dating" customers I have had several "sneak out" at night to go out to dinner or even spend the night OTC with me.
What I do find lacking in C-Orgs nationwide is young hot girls working at them. I have rather high standards where it comes to appearance, and the K-Girl AAMPs deliver a consistently higher quality where it comes to the looks of their girls, even though I find myself getting equal service at both Thai and C-Org agencies.
BTW I am joking about being "sorry" as anyone who knows me on these boards knows, I am not sorry about anything I do or say. I have been doing "this" for 46 years now, I saw my first hooker at 15 and I have seen literally THOUSANDS of providers of every race and nationality imaginable. One last thing, although I was born and raised in the Bay Area, I haven't lived or mongered there for many, many years. So I am not really speaking to how things are in the Bay Area in specific, I am speaking more to how things are in the rest of the country in general. I presently live in Texas, and I've been here for several years now although I do travel a lot.
I think k girls are the cutest girls myself.
One other thing is you can learn a bit about korean culture from the hobby. The Koreans have a culture that is appealing to us westerners or easy for us to get along with.
I travel to Vegas on a regular basis and the K AMP storefronts have delivered very young hot and perfectly slim girls in the past who are easily as good looking as the top tier k girls, but younger in some cases.
If you want eye candy socal has more of it (vegas still being somewhat close in proximity to LA), but if you know where to look you can find eye candy girls in the bay area.
We have several working right now as a matter of fact.
The corgs that run out of motels are almost usually milf/gilf and service oriented. Some of the older girls can go toe to toe with kgirls service wise, but they will easily lose in looks and age.
There are corgs that are more UTR here that have eye candy,probably moreso than most korgs. But they cost more inclusive if you include all services, and service is not up to par. But they will have younger better looking girls who rotate. Known as 10 day houses.
Personally I'm always about service, plus it's not as trivial getting into these UTR houses (you need vouches by other clients, usually Chinese) to bother.
But my point is, corg aamps for young good looking girls exist and they usually have better eye candy than kgirls. Also lower volume. Service is a lot below kgirl service. This is why when a girl arrives who provides good service, she is talked about a lot.
I haven’t seen a Thai org outside of Thailand. Are you saying that some still exist in the Bay Area? Or that they did at some point in the past?
I was born and raised in the Bay Area but I haven't lived there for decades.
Texas in general and Dallas in particular have had a LOT of Thai girls over the last ten years or so. A couple of Thai providers started their own agencies and things kind of grew from there. The Thai agencies here were as well known for "quality of service" as any Korg, although I will confess some of the Thai girls, while having great bodies, were known to be "butterfaces", something very rare in K-Girls. Overall though, the Thai Orgs in Texas rival the Korgs in both looks and service in Texas, not to mention Thai providers make GREAT GF's and don't seem to be at all mercenary, except for the ones looking to marry for a green card of course. lol
Butterfaces are rare in kgirls? Butterfaces ain't got no race, bruh. I've seen butterfacw in Chinese, Korean, Thai and other Asian girls. And certainly any other race.
One of my atfs who is a beast in cg, is an auntie butterface. No biggie. She ran marathons back in Korea and she could fuck like a champ in cg for 20-30 mins without so much as losing rhythm.
"butterface" means. Its a girl who has a beautiful body but a plain face. Its short for "She has a great body . . . . but her face . . . ." I concur with GaG. I have not seen that many Kgirls with downright ugly faces. Kgirls are providers, so by comparing them to the population in general, you are comparing apples and oranges. No one would argue that there a large number of Korean civvie women, as well as all other races, that are not attractive, but his point was that not that many who are unattractive find their way into this biz.
I have no idea what an "auntie butterface" is, so you got me on that one.
My experience with Thai organizations in Thailand leads me to believe that they place less importance on a pretty face than the k-orgs do. The limited experience I have with J-orgs has led me to believe they are more like - though, in my opinion, not at the same level - as the k-orgs when it comes to screening for looks.
Honestly, though, I consider screwing J-girls a bit like torture. Too many of them do that awful screechy-squeaky thing with their voices. So, I deliberately limited my mongering in Japan. Thailand, Singapore and Korea (if you have a Korean friend showing you around) are so much better, in my experience. Viet providers in Singapore were a bit of a favorite of mine.
I know exactly what a butterface is. And yes, it's exactly your definiton. Why in the world would you think that I don't understand what it is?
Stop assuming shit. It's tiring.
And please spare me kool-aid infused speeches about how you have not seen many kgirl butterfaces. I'm comparing working kgirl butterfaces to other working girl butterfaces and they're all fucking equal. Eastern European, Latina, Korean, Chinese, Thai, Viet, Black, American, whatever. There isn't some pattern that would show me one race or nationality had less or more butterfaces.
An auntie is a reference to my atfs age. She's an older woman. She could pass off as my aunt if I were Asian. She's got an absolute butterface. And my point was - I never cared about it. Acting like kgirls don't have butterfaces is just blindly stanning kgirls. I understand we're on a kgirl forum and you're a defacto stan, but come the fuck on.
"auntie butterface", it sounded like you thought it meant something else. Even after I asked you to define this term, you have avoided it. So do you really know what it means, or are you just trying to "save face?" Stop making up new terms that no one but you knows. Its tiring.
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You, instead of asking me whether I know what butterface means, stated that I don't understand what it means. Based on absolutely nothing.
I did not make up any terms. I said auntie butterface. Would it be better if I said milf butterface? What terms did I make up? Auntie? You don't know what auntie means? Why didn't you ask then? Do you not understand the combination of two words?
What the hell did I avoid? I literally wrote in my post what auntie means in case you don't know.
It's annoying when you state I don't understand something based on some dumb preconceived notion. How about you ask first?
rocket doesn't really care about looks himself, or personality much either based on his comments. He wants to fuck (Did he have a bit part in Kill Bill? lol) and only cares about the "performance" aspect it seems.
I don't see what this has to do with anything, Jensen, but sure. I think the attitude part matters too. Personality is part of it I guess. I prefer most of my session being about fucking though.
With all that said, I like pretty faces too! Just not my priority at all when seeing working girls. I'm actually picky what I consider an attractive face, but I don't really care about that when seeing working girls.
It meant butterface is hardly something one should expect you to be overly concerned with so why make a big deal out it meaning something to you. That's all. Nothing more than that.
And, the comment was limited to P4P, not meant to imply some universal.
Jensen, imagine you're invested in some hobby for thousands and thousands of hours. And then someone tells you you don't understand a certain term, purely off assumption.
whether a girl can "take a pounding", which eliminates the niceties that we look for in a girl for a GFE session. I'm not surprised that he thinks there are a large number of working Kgirls that are butterfaces. As you say, their face is not a factor he looks for. He's more into the wham-bam, thank-you-ma'am type of session.
With that said, they may have a higher percentage of homely Kgirls in the BA than they do in SoCal. When I go there, I have the luxury of selecting from a wide ranger of girls I haven't seen before, so I don't have to lower my standards because I have already seen most of the girls. In SoCal, the truly plain-looking girls don't last, but I would be more inclined to agree with the notion that the percentage of Kgirl butterfaces is less than for other ethnicities of working girls. He may think they are all the same based on his personal experience. That just means he is misinformed from lack of a wider experience in greater numbers of various ethnicities.
Young K-Girls, well at least "younger" and by that I mean 35 and below tend to be very pretty in the face. I can't help it if you tend to go for the "auntie" types.
As others have pointed out, your priorities seem to be much different than mine. If I see a butterface at one agency more than once, It's highly unlikely I will continue to keep seeing their girls. That said, K-Girls tend to be much prettier in the face than either Thai or Chinese hookers, I bet you if you asked a hundred guys who like Asian hookers, well over 90 of them would agree with me. Sure there are homely Koreans, but most of them in the sex industry are in AMPs not in the higher quality AAMPs.
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. I've seen hundreds of Chinese and Thai girls in storefront amps, as well as corgs, and I don't see any differences in terms of butterface % whatsoever.
Now, this is still anecdotal and subjective and preference based. We can agree to disagree. I for example prefer Chinese girl looks to kgirl looks. No biggie.
But saying shit like I don't know what the term means is fucking preposterous.
And yes, I see girls who know how to fuck and are good at it. Otherwise, there's no point. Unfortunately, finding an eye candy kgirl in her mid or early 20s who fucks like a champ with great skill and stamina is like finding a unicorn
And as further evidence of your sloppy reading, I clearly said I rarely saw butterfaces at K-Girl "AAMPs" not AMPs. As anyone on this board, even BLPOS knows, there is a HUGE difference between the quality of women at AAMPs vs AMPs.
If we are going to argue, lets at least argue about what "I" said, not things I either didn't say myself or other things where I clearly said the exact opposite.
As for younger K-girls who can fuck like there is no tomorrow. First off, I said "35" or younger, NOT "Mid or early 20's" and just because you can only find "auntie" providers who can fuck like that doesn't mean the rest of us are having the same bad luck as you.
I'm not confusing you with anyone. I said that if we (meaning, me you cdl whoever) disagree on preferences and subjective opinions, that's fine. But cdl telling me that I don't know what the term means, is preposterous.
The rest of your post, I was talking about myself and only myself. I said I've seen hundreds of Asian women in all kinds of places, and the % of butterfaces was roughly equal everywhere, per nationality or race (is Korean/Thai a race? Don't think so).
And yes, mine or your experience is anecdotal only. I got annoyed because someone who had some preconceived notions just ASSUMED I don't know the meaning of a word I've used since middle school.
My comment about unicorns was in response to who I see and why. It wasn't a response to your post or age bracket. It was mostly me acknowledging jensens point.
You being quick to attack "sloppy reading" when I read your post just fine, is annoying as well.
Don't say it as a response to me, Is that fucking clear enough for you?
Is English a second language for you, or do you just like create shit to argue about?
By your own admission your writing is every bit as sloppy as your reading, no fucking wonder you are constantly arguing with EVERYBODY here, no wonder you are the only one here who seems to be able to tolerate BLPOS.
I say whatever I want in response to anyone else. Clear enough?
Its not my fault that you took my comment about being preposterous to your heart,when I was clearly referring to cdl, who actually said I don't understand what the term means.
I was literally explaining to you why I got so triggered. Not because me and cdl have different subjective opinions. But because of accusation of me not knowing the word
I like to argue. This isn't news. I also don't circlejerk. When someone says kgirls don't fart and are all beauty queens, I respond. Clear enough?
BUT you argue over the DUMBEST fucking shit imaginable.
And yes, part of it is due to your sloppy writing AND your sloppy reading too. We communicate here through the written word, unless you truly enjoy being misunderstood all the fucking time, I would suggest you get better at using the written word to communicate.
If it were just me that was having a problem in this regard, I might check my own reading and writing skills, but since it happens with you and EVERYBODY, the problem obviously lies with YOU. PLEASE learn to fucking read, and then learn to fucking write. and THEN get back to me with this stupid bullshit of yours.
I still contend that my shit was quite clear.
Nevertheless, I do apologize if you misunderstood it. I will try to write things in a more clear manner. I respect you enough to make an effort here.
Again, I got triggered by cdl assuming I don't know what a butterface is... not because he knows me, but because he thinks kgirls have very few butterfaces and I couldnt possibly mean it. When I meant every single fucking word I've said.
You're going to give BLPOS a run for his money as the meltdown queen on this board. If that is your goal, kudos.
Meltdown queen? Don't tell me what term I understand or don't understand. It's a simple concept. None of this would've happened if you didn't just assume some dumb shit, like you usually do.
You rememver the first thing you posted to me when I first posted on this board? It was some condescending bullshit about seeing hundreds of kgirls and hundreds of bookers. You didn't even think I was an established monger with hundreds of trips, because I didn't adhere to your norm of being a booker/org bitchboy and brown nosing them blindly in order to get a treat. You just ASSUMED I was some newbie.
Sometimes I'm guilty of assuming as well, but you're the king of it.
I just ADMITTED I didn't know what an "auntie butterface" was. If I'm stupid for not knowing, go ahead and laugh at me. I'll get over it. No need for me to argue or pretend to know. That's what GaG means by "arguing about stupid shit."
You said that I don't know what a butterface is. You literally said it. Yes, I got triggered excessively, I also admit it. I literally know what a butterface is, like I've said I've used it since middle school.
You assuming shit is a problem here.
on your writing skills, I'm not the only one that thinks your posts are often unclear. You brain is probably moving faster than you can type, which is often my problem is well, and I inadvertently leave words out and have to go back and edit if I catch it in time.
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Fair enough. I got triggered way too much by this shit. You're right with this assumption about my brain and words, for once.
And please, please, don't tell me what I know or what I don't know. Thanks.
but are ignorant of what we don't know.
Rather than feeding PapSmear’s ego by making this thread even longer, I’ll volunteer to start a thread on “Kgirl org butterfaces vs non-kgirl orgs”.
Or do you think we’ve beaten this topic to death already?
If somebody answers in the affirmative, I’ll start that thread.
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...I'd appreciate it if you would send me this in advance. :p
