Whats going on with this 2nd round of rate increases?
Hearing kgirls demanding more $$ cause they are vaccinated. Operators claiming they have to do it to attract younger girls.If you share with us where these rate increases are taking place tomorrow and at which orgs. Otherwise, you have provided no information that can help anyone else answer your question.
Clearly he's talking about the bay area.
I said it before that I don't care about rate increases as much if quality improves, altho I will always have solidarity with mongers who don't have as much disposable funds.
However, the quality increase has not happened. As the op states, the whole thing about attracting "younger providers" feels like a veiled scam. Just as the "look at the other regions" reasoning. If you spend time looking at other areas, like NY or LA, they have same issues - namely raise of prices,raise in overall age, and drop in quality.
He wasn’t clearly talking about the Bay Area. His statement was about as vague as vague could be.
Fair enough, I guess I thought it's deducable that he's talking about the bay area. All his reviews are for the bay area, and so are his posts in the last few threads.
anything he said in his post. If you want participation on the boards, you should provide as much info as possible in your OP. A link would have been even better. Posters should post on the premise that their post should have enough info to stand alone, especially in a new thread. This is a national board.
A link to what exactly ?
Bay area orgs don't post prices on their pages, unlike LA orgs. You learn of price changes through POs when you're about to schedule, or through fellow mongers.
I do agree that he could've clarified its about the bay. Tbh looks like prices been going up in a lot of other areas too. LA and NY in particular. LA mostly with the crazy upsells, NY just prices going up.
That's true, but also true it's not that hard to click the link to his reviews.
Still, one sees what the results have been -- most posts here (as with this one) have nothing really to do with the OP. I don't recall him introducing himself here and didn't recognize the handle (but did check his reviews and see it must be about the BA so no need to comment on prices). I suspect no one knew it was a comment about the BA without first making the effort.
But at least it was (even if a well worn topic at this point) a K topic and I was beginning to wonder if the board had died. I don't think outside the dark-era this board has ever gone a day without at lease one post. Probably that would have been extremely rare prior to the past few days.
Was starting to wonder if I should post an RIP image or a crickets sound track, lol.
If the word really were "deducable", maybe the English language would be easier and there would be more Korean visitors? LOL.
If we are not shooting at some of the easy targets here, there just isn't too much to discuss. In the past, you could at least discuss new people!
I agree there has been little to discuss -- which is the problem.
As for language.... Well gotta say Koreans throwing stones about difficulty of English have a lot or windows in their house too 
How one ever learns to pronounce a word (or spell a word they hear) correctly is a mystery to me given half the consonants are pronounced the same in the end position of the block! (I won't even get in to all the particles or counters
Maybe that's what makes it interesting and fun.
Imo there only has been little to discuss only if one adheres to the whole "if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all" mantra.
Price increase in the bay is a hot topic right now, but some people choose to dismiss it as something "that has been discussed to death" or "well worn" . Every topic probably has been worn or discussed to death here, lets face it. Yes, even the music topics.
We are now having heated discussions elsewhere because a bay area org had introduced an upcharge for msog, for the first time in bay area history. This all on the heels of orgs justifying increases with the whole "bay area is all-inclusive".
The girls that are good enough to work anywhere they want to are staying away from the BA BECAUSE of the low prices. If the guys there were notoriously high tippers, generally speaking and across the board, more would be willing to chance it, but that's not the case either, so the better girls are merely following the money. Ideally, they want cities that have a higher average rate, but who also can supply them with a steady flow of customers. It does them no good to get $300 or more for an hour if they're only getting two or three customers a day. This is what happened to Seattle when $300 became the LOW end of the market and better girls were higher than that. It was a great hourly wage, but the customer flow fell to a trickle. There has to be a balance between price and demand. The BA orgs are just trying to find that balance. When they do, prices will remain static for awhile, and whatever rate they settle at will become the new normal.
The same thing has happened in LA, lol.
LA went from 260/280 all inclusive to 450 if you want pse and msog
And the prices keep on rising. Girls in LA are choosing less safety and unproven bookers over closed clubs like Michelle or Mias orgs because Michelle and Mia orgs don't like upcharges.
It doesn't help the org that did this msog charge here in the bay is one of the worst and has dedicated shills, whom I have been exposing continuously writing reviews and advertising girls.
coming through that are PSE girls because the orgs are making a conscious effort to recruit them for PSE service The recruiters are focusing on second and third tier salons (salon girl tiers are based on looks, not service,, which is why these second and third tier girls are not as beautiful as we are used to in SoCal) for recruiting where the girls are known to go BB with the customers. Overall, PSE girls in LA are still a minority, and much more so if they are established top tier girls.
I don't see what your post has to do with the price increase
Correct me if I'm wrong, but just a year and a half ago most LA shops were 280 with no upcharge for pse or msog.
Now they're charging close to 500. It's not inflation. And it's not a sudden epiphany that they cna make more money.
And what salons are you talking about - most of these girls are RETREADS with many posing as supposedly new offerings but in reality they have years of service here.
Half of girls in LA are retreads from bay area and Vegas. And east coast.
Seattle, LA, bay, Texas, nova/dc, NY, Philly.
Same girls charging 220 all inclusive go to LA and return and be 300 gfe only. Lol.
so yeah, you're wrong. Price increases in LA started shortly after CV shut down in March of 2018. It took over a year and a half before $280 became the prevailing rate. There are still a few orgs at $260. At the same time that prices took the first bump from $250-260, the first org with a BBFS upcharge of $100 appeared in Ktown, so it was $260 GFE and $360 PSE. Many orgs don't put up the price for BBFS, but they will merely state that with certain girls, BBFS is "available", but the standard upcharge is one Benjamin even though its not published.
I have no doubt that "half the girls in LA are retreads" as you call them, but if you read my post, those aren't the girls I was referring to.
Er, so what was I wrong about?
I said that in late 2019, the price for most LA shops was no higher 280 with no upcharges. Am I wrong about that? What you said doesn't conflict with what I said.
And BTW, what were the prices over the decade before fo$ta passed and that site shut down?
began in early summer of 2018, not "late 2019." I'd say that's a conflict, but maybe my definition is different than yours.
Um OK. I will go with published prices if you dont mind.
Again, the way I see the timeline is that the prices remained close and static until 2019 (you say 2018,ok let's make it 2018).
Many orgs went from 280 all inclusive to 450 all inclusive in a very short period of time, for a whopping increase of nearly 80%. Was msog upcharge also a thing pre-2018?
Now the full upcharge cost has nearly doubled.
Now let's compare it to the bay. Bay had 200 price for the longest time. Then it was raised to 220 and it stayed for another three years. Now, the prices are rising with no end in sight. Many girls already charging 300.and now for the first time an org introduced a 50 upcharge for msog. We're looking at a 50% increase over the span of less than 6 months. Some clowns on other boards want to say it's result of inflation. Lol.
Do you still have girls coming from overseas on the WC? From what I've seen, it seems like it stopped last year and hasn't resumed. If anything, it seems like more girls have left the country than entered it from SK. At least in my area, our girls have been recirculating from within the country.
Exactamundo. Can we have Nate Dogg (RIP) sing the hook here ?
http://youtu.be/pjH5V5Tq_oE?t=203
as it would be if he provided a link. Why do you have a bug up your ass about it? It was only his second post EVER on the K-girl board and that's how you welcome him?
Are you picking on an unfamiliar handle to prove to your mentor GaG that you're as big a bully as he is? Maybe that's why there are fewer posts on this board as Jensen is lamenting about. You're an asshole, but that's what you were trying to be, wasn't it?
Although he wasn't clear about the location he was referring to, I too assumed he was referring to the Bay Area given his reviews. I will say that I wasn't aware of any increases but if it's to 2.6, that isn't too bad given what the rest of the country is paying.
Yes you guessed right Bay Area prices I am referring to …
Yes talking about Bay Area prices..
Rates are rising. Why? Cuz we had a nice run and have collectively enjoyed the lowest rates in 'merica.
Down south, pussy is $280 / hr donation plus $100 if you want no rules. At $260 / hr donation, we're still a bargain.
YEMV
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We're still priced lower than LA, but we're no longer a bargain. the milf factor is still stupid high and reviews are harsh in a lot of cases. We are getting no age reduction whatsoever, and to get back to where it was will take a heroic shift.
Yes, bay area.
My money is staying in my pocket. Actually Bora gets a chunk once in a while, but that's it lately. Did someone say Puddin' (BGC) was getting $$$? Pass the popcorn, please.
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Right, the whole "more quality for higher prices" did not happen.
Dang, seems like the last 220 org has fallen too.
Never understood making donations non-divisible by 20 as that's the bill most ATMs seem to carry. Seems like an implicit way of asking for 260.
I have funny story about that. There was a Pinay provider that set her rate at $245, probably figuring most people would round up.
I was rushing to the appointment, so I when I counted out the donation, I was $1 short. I had to go out to my car and get change out of the ashtray. It was sort of weird, but I think I gained some respect.
Yep. Found out when I asked to book.
I just saw a seasoned kgirl in LA with pretty good reviews and price was $300. Felt a little steep, so I decided tip would only be $20 unless she excelled. That’s what I usually leave for my repeat list! She was pretty god but not worth $340 with tip!
Happy 4th of July as LSC increased $$$ to now align with every other K agency in Bay Area.
I guess they all got together to “fix the price”
When i asked why the increase got this
“Starting July 5th, the new rates will be 260 (hr) / 220 (hhr) to maintain and attract talents. TY”
Same message other agencies tell you. Maybe the use same marketing agency?
What about being grand fathered for long term customers? Seems like they would consider that ?
Lol, no one is grandfathering mongers...especially considering some places are hitting 420 (price, not Mary Jane) now with all upcharges included. Nearly a 100% increase.
Maybe some orgs will waive some of the house fee if you're an loyal "insider" or vip "friend", but that's a slim chance.
Prices are going up and quality is not improving.
Its pretty bad when kgirls agencies LSC, BG, KPLEASURES are now the same price tier as caucasian providers who are often younger with no language barrier….not to mention you can sometimes negotiate with pricing…. Kgirls agencies are no longer a bargain and will price themselves out of the market
an experienced Kgirl than I would for a young Caucasian girl because of the difference in the level of service. I don't care how good their English is, if the service is not up to what I would get from a Kgirl, then its a pass for me on the yutes. Just my opinion. I know there are young mongers that value looks over service who will disagree with me.
There has been one K-Girl agency in Dallas for many, many years that has always charged $300 hr which is right on par with what the typical Indy was charging until COVID and the Post COVID era where now we have several Sub $300 Asian Agencies and quite a few White/Black/Brown/Asian indies getting quite a bit more than $300 hr, some of them actually have GPS rates of a $1,000 hr or so in TEXAS of all places. lol
It is amazing how fast K-Girl mongers get spoiled though, there are a handful of Asian Orgs who were charging $260 hr who have tested the waters at $280 and are getting huge pushback over a lousy twenty bucks. As for the looks/services debate, I am a pig I want BOTH. lol
For a lot of mongers here who were used to everything being included in 220, the prices going from 220 all inclusive to 420 if you want pse and msog, is nearly a 100% increase.
No matter what reasoning, people are not going to like price of something doubling over course of like two-three months.
What does your post about rates doubling in the Bay Area have to do with my post about prices going up a lousy twenty bucks in Texas?
I'm just continuing the discussion. Ie, you talk about DFW and increases there and how people react... and I'm talking about increases here (bay area) and how people react.
for wanting to go where they make the most money. There's a little irony in mongers complaining that they are no longer getting the hot girls in the BA, but then also complaining when prices go up in order to ATTRACT hot girls to the BA. I don't think you can have it both ways. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. Lol
GFEI's po literally said BA mongers are cheap, lol. I asked Allison about it and she said LA clientele are more inclined to tip as well.
Another girl who recently came back to the BA after working in LA said that she prefers the consistent regulars who are more delicate/mellow compared to the rougher K-Town clientele, albeit at a lower rate.
Like, I easily booked a preferred time with Ravi and Venus who almost no girl in the BA can hold a candle to in body and face.
GFEI po also dissed anonymous sites (like this one) and its users , while reaping direct benefit of posting links to ter reviews of their girls on GFEI site.
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the best tippers are in OC, and LA is next. Ktown IS a rougher area than West LA, Marina del Rey, or Playa Vista, the other hot spots for Kgirls to work from in LA. Ktown also gets a much higher percentage of Korean, Chinese and Middle Eastern Customers, where a large percentage prefer BBFS, so that's why so many girls working Ktown offer it, according to the girls that work there.
You are correct that the individual style preferences of the girl often dictates where they are more comfortable working.
Don’t forget these agencies and girls pay no taxes. Unlike the majority of us who have our paychecks reduced. I know $20 / $40 increases don't seem like much on the surface, but when you as a customer are getting nothing better for that increase, it really leaves sour taste in your mouth.
Its my guess majority of these agencies (North/south CA) are all tied together by a handful of owners /investors so price fixing is easier . Its a huge logistics and financial business model to have multiple complexes across the numerous cities. They operate off our Disposable income. In a way its our own actions allowing the price increases to take hold. It just takes a few to pay the higher prices which then confirms and establishes those price points for everyone.
$3.50 for the kind of bread I buy, and recently I've been paying $4.50. That's over a 25% increase in just a couple of years. The bread tastes the same, so there is no sour taste in my mouth (pun intended - lol). My question to you is, what makes Kgirl services different than bread when it comes to inflation and pricing? (besides the fact that MOST Kgirls don't have yeast. Sorry, couldn't help that one either. lol)
When people have been paying same rates for nearly a decade, and then suddenly the rates near double over a course of lie three of months, you can't compare it to the inflation rates.
If peoples dollar suddenly devalued to 50 cents over two months, we'd have a nationwide panic.
No one disputes that having to pay more for something is anyone's first choice in the vast majority of cases. However, most of us get that prices are not fixed and when one market's pricing is out of line with other markets prices will adjust, quality will adjust or a bit of both will occur.
Rather than seeing that you got years of a rather good price thing and now it's time to pay the piper some seem to want to act like they are being victimized in some way. It's a bit silly.
I just wish they would do it in a private discussion rather than this public beating of the long dead horse. It's fine with me when someone just needs to vent to the board but letting this drag on and on.... Well, I suppose some have nothing better to do than beat dead horses.
Once again, here you go again speaking for "most of us". Stop doing that
It is a weird market adjustment that holds itself over like a decade and then blows up to double the price instead of gradual increase, don't you think?
Cdl tried to say it has to do with inflation rate. Nope, it doesn't.
Why am I not surprised that once another tread enters the territory of grievances and people being unhappy, you are here bringing up "dead horse" and "protest in private" rhetorics? Ah right because you hold the same viewpoint with criticizing specific providers in public vs in private.
Why are you so adamant about hiding the image of people being unhappy from the public? Do you like illusions
? Message boards are just as good for discussing people being unhappy as they are about being happy. And no, not just "venting" threads. Polyannas are never inherently better (or worse) than negative Nancies. If you personally have issues with that and your religion does not allow you to hear negative things, you are welcome to ignore it. Why do you want to stifle discussions?
People have a right to protest in public, and that had nothing to do with venting. Even the term of "vent" by definition tries to shift the blame away from systemic bullshit,by implying its some kind of minute temporary outburst that is on the poster, not the system.
I don't count as people.
It was very clear that my point was it's find when people want to vent when something changes that is not in their interest but when that group of people (and seems that it's nearly universally the case that it's the BA guys here) need to drag the issue out for months it's beating dead horses. That is not stifling anything but saying the discussion has gotten really boring.
Using the term "venting" in no way is a means of shifting blame. It means someone is letting something out rather than keeping it bottled up which (god forbid I over step my bounds to speak for others) I am pretty sure most others will think is a good thing to do.
I'll also let other here correct me if they think I was misspeaking about their views and expectations about price changes, or lack there of, and how markets react.
But again, good to know you (rocket) seem to be pretty sure I'm not -- even though the statement was basically what any high school kid with any exposure to economic would know. Certainly most college students with any major related to business will. Anyone that has been working in the business world for more than 5 years has probably been exposed to the concepts. So, yeah, kind of assume it's rather common knowledge. My bad I guess.
Huh? Where did I say that I dont count you as people? What?
About venting - my point was that it had a connotation of a one-time thing of getting something off someone's chest. I, for example, rarely post to vent. I post with a purpose to show entities who read these boards that some are unhappy. And I encourage others who aren't happy to show their voice in public, not private. Showing displeasure publicly is hardly a "vent" situation necessarily. Monger voice is a lot stronger than some may think it is.
And regardless of what is boring and what isn't - that's your opinion. But you tend to join discussions and talk about dead horses in topics that have conflict. Topics that are actually on topic. Maybe all topics on topic actually bore you?
Now, I'm not sure people know or remember economic principles from college. Considering that a lot of users here are in their 60s. College was a long time ago for me at this point, not to mention someone in their 60s. That assumption is just a very bold one. It's really easy to speak for yourself only, then you never get to invoke ad populums fallacies.
But let's see what I remember of microeconomics.
The prices have been at around 200/220 for nearly a decade here. The prices did not move to equilibrium point amidst inflation rising. Basic supply demand curve - just like I told floorhump on another forum - says if price is artificially fixed to be lower than equilibrium point, it creates shortages. Was there an observed shortage of kgirls during this time? No, there was not.
During that time, kgirls who competed against each other started to offer all included menus. Fast forward now and prices start blowing up, with upcharges for menu items entering the fray, including the unheard-of msog upcharge. So what happened, economically speaking. Do tell. Because I myself cannot explain this economically. If there was no price fixing before, then we have to say that price was always at equilibrium point. So why has the equilibrium point shifted so drastically here in the bay, and why did it not budge for most of the decade?
I agree it is an interesting economic case study.
Similar to how in the DMV area there are spas where for many years the rate was 80% that of the apartments, despite the apartments offering far greater and abundant service.
Well, if spas/storefronts are the same way in dmv as they are here, there are many differences. There is no schedule, there is no screening, and extras are negotiated always.
For korgs tho, it's the same girls trvaleing up and down 'murica with wide range of rates. The orgs are caught in their web of lie by saying first that prices were artificially low but then saying girls set their own prices. Which is a clear contradiction. Same girls were having different prices in LA and bay. There was no shortage of supply due to the alleged price ceiling.
I don't know about theories. My only theory is that girls realized recently that they can design upcharges for something like msog (and BB) and once that happened, they started to dictate terms to orgs. But again, I'm struggling to describe it in economic terms.
There is no schedule, there is no screening, and extras are negotiated always
Did not seem economically sensible for the past 5 years or so and a clear "arbitrage".
But there has been some apartment rate increase recently.
Interesting, in our neck of the woods the spa house fee is around 40-70 bucks depending on the establishment and that covers the massage part. The rest of extras is negotiable and very reliant in the place and girl and how desperate you or her are.
About the cheapest for 1hr used to be 140,which included cfs and cbj and only one pop (obviously). bbbj was more of a ymmv thing but you could get it for 140 with right girl.
So 140/220 was about 63% of the aamp. However, aamp was bbbj, msog and a lot of times bbfs. So for that rate, the amount of bang for the buck was great. Now as we're approaching the mid 400s mark for all inclusive the value of kgirls is falling relative to spas. I prefer Chinese girls look over Koreans, so that's another factor personally for me to consider.
Clearly not very common either.
Interesting. I can see a few differences though:
1. This is in Canada
2. Prices have been held for two, not one decade
3. Enrolled students and those who enroll in the fall will be given 4% raises each year for five years instead of doubled rate.
4. As a result they project 20% decrease in enrollment.
5. The hikes are on the heel of severe, unprecedented budget cuts.
I think the last point is very important here, because it really illustrates why ultimately the hike was done.
I fail to see a drastic point here. No, seriously. Right now my theory is that kgirls somehow got smarter via an epiphany after covid and thought that "we can run this shit and those simps". It's a shaky theory but I have nothing better to explain this
They’ve increased in LA as well, prices at some orgs seemingly higher than before. I still am happy to pay the stated price for superior service, but I hope for superior talent and superior service. I think that is fair
I asked this on another forum, but didn't really get any serious answers. Is there a concrete reason why the Bay Area historically operated in a bubble? Is high volume and a different kind of clientele the reason why prices remained lower for all-inclusive service than everywhere else in the country?