Rocket, Jensen and CDL have been going round and round for weeks as to who best to believe. Both sides make good points, Korgs most definitely used glam, photoshopped and outright fake pics, no one can deny this fact. Kfanboys are often blinded to the shortcomings of the K-Girls they see and often completely overlook "small flaws" like a 20 year age discrepancy and fail to note such things in the reviews they write
So when picking out a K-Girl to see, who do you trust more, the recommendation of a trusted booker, or the reviews of fellow mongers? or alternatively do you trust both or neither?
Round and round we go; where we stop, nobody knows?!
The winds of change are upon us. Bend like bamboo or break like the mighty Oak...
I'm fifty something. My trusted monger bros are my ages too. I prefer my working girls in their thirties. Most of my network monger bros like em young. We all like em NASTY and YMMV.
Once upon a time, I patronized all the orgs; I'M AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY MONGER. As there is usually a starlet in every org, I'd go with her and if the connection was there, Id repeat with her.
Then I found Joann, the BEST PO EVER. I followed her and she NEVER did me wrong. Found myself mostly at Baykisses org and now I'm at Viola's org waiting for Joann and Baykisses to reopen.
One of my monger bros is loyal to Cara's and LSC.
Another monger bro follows Yuffie and Kpleasures.
Another monger bro follows Tiana and SweetAngels.
So, to answer your question, we have a private network and share our Intel off grid.
YMMV
I’m not sure I’m willing to use the word “trust” to describe how I feel.
I usually grant the most weight to reviews from people I actually know more than a little about. There are very few in this category for me.
There is one exception to this rule. There are very rare cases where a senior girl that I know well has trained a new girl and thinks I should try the new girl out because the senior girl is sure the new girl is my type. Those have all been very good experiences. One of them was simply amazing (thanks to Michelle).
Next highest weight is reviews from mongers who seem to have similar preferences.
But right under that, and sometimes (rarely) above it, is a booker or org owner who has known me for a while and knows my preferences pretty well. The best of these was a Viet girl the booker told me was starting that day. But her attitude, face and body shape seemed really my type (he was absolutely right on all counts). I was her very first customer. We really hit it off and I was a regular with her for a while.
Take whatever either one states with a large grain of salt and go in with expectations tempered by your own previous experiences. Now, if you find someone whose reviews run true to what you experience, use that as a good basis of knowledge. I've found most POs will be fairly honest if you've worked with them before and let them know when you've particularly enjoyed someone.
one will work if you have confidence in the intel you're getting. For those that want the big picture, read on . . . . .
1. BOOKERS. The reliability of a booker recommendation depends on how much business you are giving them. Bookers have a responsibility to keep ALL the girls on the current roster busy, and to make sure newly arrived girls get off to a good start, so its only natural that they will be steering UNDECIDED mongers into the girls who are not getting enough play on a given day. To avoid this, don't ever be undecided with you contact them. With that said, I have gotten lucky on occasion, and several of the girls that went on to become local legends I first saw as a booker rec. I have also rolled the dice with new booker and gotten a clunker.
This dynamic changes if you are doing enough business with the booker that he/she would fear losing your business if he recommended the wrong girl to you. If you are a once-a-week for two hours or twice a week for one hour monger, that booker is not going to fuck with you. Most of the top bookers will keep a list of the girls these regular customers saw, and more importantly, the ones they repeated with. This shows "preference" for certain "types." Bookers that know what your "type" of Kgirl is, can be invaluable in directing you to the kinds of girls you like. I have actually had bookers wave me off of a girl that is not my type. I would request a certain girl, and he would say, "she/s not your type, you won't like her." I went against his advice a few times just to see, and sure enough, they were NOT my type at all and it was a disappointing session. After a few "tests" like this, I decided he had a pretty good handle on what I liked and didn't like from my past preferences, and that I could trust him to BOTH recommend girls I would like, and wave me off of the ones I that did not match my past history.
2. REVIEWS. The reliability of a review is only as good as the reliability of the reviewer. Aside for fake reviews, fully half of all Kgirl reviews are nearly impossible to put much stock in, because they are too short and completely devoid of details ABOUT THE GIRL. These guys post everything they did WITH the girl, but not much about the girl herself; her personality, playfulness, likes, dislikes, etc., so they are worthless in deciding whether the girl is a good fit for my "style."
When I started out on TER years ago, I read a few thousand Kgirl reviews from mongers in SoCal. I started a list of usernames that seemed to like the same "types" of girls I like. Guys giving almost identical scores and making the same comments I would make in a review that showed their preferences. When trying to select a new girl to see from her reviews, I will give a lot more weight to these reviewers if they have already seen her because I already know they like the same kinds of girls I like. I have never PM'd some of them, so they have no idea I'm relying on them for the intel from their reviews in deciding who I should see, but it seems to work well for me. If I can read positive reviews from three or four of the guys on my list who have already seen her, then its a girl I will most likely see, and more importantly, most likely enjoy. Anyone can do this in order to have their OWN list of like-minded reviewers and significantly cut their rate of disappointing sessions. Its time consuming to compile the list, but as long as the mongers on your list keep reviewing, its an invaluable resource for choosing the right Kgirls and knowing which reviews to "trust."
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I usually will have a girl in mind before I contact the booker. However, there are times when I'll ask the booker's recommendation when there's not a whole lot of reviews to go off of. Sometimes bookers will contact me to try out a new girl and will usually waive the booker fee as a sign of good faith just in case the session doesn't go well. They like my honesty and they know that I'll always post a fair review that isn't shilling, but "only the facts, ma'am."
I've basically realized that seeing a kgirl, or any escort for the most part, should be like watching a movie: no matter how good the reviews are, if you go in with super high expectations, you're going to be disappointed. A movie can be 4 out of 4 stars, 100% Fresh, Oscar-buzzworthy, but I'll always be disappointed because my expectations were based on the hype. I try to go in with a "hope for the best, expect the worst" sort of mentality.
When it comes to kgirls, I do go in with a sort of mental checklist as there is a "routine" the first time you meet them. Reviews are definitely helpful for getting an understanding of certain qualities like the girl's personality and attitude, but kgirls are people and people react differently to different types of people. I would definitely take reviews into consideration, but I'm not going to fall into the hype of an escort, including kgirls and pornstars, even if the general consensus of her reviews are good.
Trusting POs is like trusting a salesman. Why would you ever do that ? His/her goal is to sell you a girl and they'll tell you whatever the fuck you want to hear and then wash their hands off it because they made money.
Listen, remember that guy on the donkey who would walk out on any fake tits that were advertised as natural ?
Literally, the PO knew about his preferences and guided him straight to fake tit girls, then she just shrugged like Jensen does on here, saying "girls are the ones who post their size and type". Would you ever TRUST such a PO ? Not in a lifetime.
And this guy was a regular.... if you're not a regular, let's say you see a couple of girls every week , one from each agency, so you only go to same org once or twice a month, fuggeditaboutit
Trusting reviews can be difficult in big fake review environment like the donkey. It can be difficult even in TER environment if, for example, you are looking for eye candy. If you're looking for specific services, it's a bit easier since those are objective. If a girl is considered a DT queen, she most likely is one. So I trust reviews of trusted reviews when it comes to service.
If you're looking for youth and great face + body, good luck. There, I think you can trust one so it's just trial and error...maybe pray. Adding to it, beauty is subjective. The girl who I thought had the best face in the bay, many considered just average. The girl everyone was raving about, was pretty attractive, but still not someone youd look at many times at in the bar, or have a pic youd fap to.
Fortunately for me, I am all about service so I don't roll the dice as much as the eye candy guys. Trusting PO is out of the question, as he's looking to sell no matter what. Trust reviews only if you have consistently matching experiences as the reviewer, or you're very good at separating bullshit from real reviews. That's my take on it.
Trusting a PO at an agency that you aren't a regular at is indeed like asking a salesman if his product is good, but asking a PO at an agency where you have spent a LOT of money, and where your tastes are well known to the booker is more analogous to asking your favorite waiter if the beef is better than the fish tonight? The waiter/booker knows you are going to spend your money tonight, he knows your taste, why would he risk pissing off a regular customer by giving bad advice?
If I am going to book an appointment with a new girl at an agency where I am well known, I fully expect the booker to be honest with me if I ask "Will I like Mimi, or does Coco give better service?" The bookers always get feedback from other clients and I expect her to answer me honestly, and yes it was only a couple of weeks ago where I asked the booker at one of my favorite agencies her opinion about a girl who's pics looked great, and she answered me HONESTLY that the feedback she was getting was that her service was a bit lacking. She suggested a different girl and I was as pleased as I could be.
Now as for reviews. I have found that reviewers of ALL women, not just K-girls seem to have VERY low standards, especially where it comes to looks. Yes, there are some reviewers who I know share the same tastes as me, but then there are the others, the ones you constantly complain about where an older, fatter woman than in the pics just laid there for an hour and the reviewer gave her a 9-9 and raved about her. AND there are the reviews written by the Org itself, which I know some people deny exist, but you and I know better.
I guess my own answer to my own question is "it depends" I would rather take the word of a booker that I KNOW, and who has never steered me wrong, than a reviewer who's tastes and credibility are questionable, but given the choice between an unknown booker and a dozen reviews, even if written by guys I don't know, I'll take the reviews over the "salesman" any day of the week.
Well, I gave an example of a regular being guided to girls he would walk out on. So some orgs don't care about loyalty or rep.
The waiter analogy only works if you're going to the agency anyway. In a restaurant, you're already there so it's a matter what food you're choosing inside that restaurant.
If you're a regular and you're choosing between different orgs, and orgs know it, then it's no good either. No matter how much money you spent with them. If orgs/POs know or feel you can ask about different girls and then see another at a different agency instead, they will still try their best at getting their money VS actually guiding you.
So for example I ask PO about some girls. Then Im not too happy with what I hear and I see none of them, next time they will tell me what I want to hear.
I don't know how it's in other places logistics wise, but in SJ we literally have same complexes that house like three different orgs apartments. I rarely if ever prebook, so I just get available lineups and choose from them. It's super efficient and makes 2/3 or more girl sessions a night a breeze. As such, I'm never committed to a particular org but rather choose whatever girl I want to see.
Any guy who keeps going to an agency who lies to him deserves what he gets. The same as anyone who reads a 10-10 review of a girl and find her to be a 6-6 after he foolishly goes through with the date even after a "6" answers the door when he's expecting a 10 and then still bothers to allow that same reviewer to carry any weight with him.
You can't fix stupid. If some guys are dumb enough to go back for more, either from a lying PO or from a reviewer with bad eyes and no taste, that's on them. Personally I don't become a regular with an agency that lies to me anymore than I am going to become a regular at a restaurant that gives me either bad food or lousy service.
Sorry Rocket, but if you guys in the Bay Area are putting up with this type of thing, than perhaps you all need to look in the mirror for the source of your problems I have a few ironclad rules where it comes to this little hobby we all share, most of them everyone already knows, but I will repeat them anyhow.
I will beg for pussy, I will pay for pussy, but I will NOT beg to pay for pussy.
No money in advance to an unknown person on the internet, NEVER NEVER NEVER
No gordas, viejas o feas
Do NOT reward bad behavior.
The last one is the one that applies here, if a booker lies to you don't reward them by EVER giving them your business again, and if some idiot comes on the board whining about a booker "doing it again" to him, hit him upside the head with a bat and remind him that by allowing a booker or a hooker to get away with bad behavior he is doing us ALL a disservice because that booker/hooker is going to get it into his/her head that they can lie with impunity because we are still going to come crawling back.
There are many reasons why people let orgs lie to them and still come back. There's fear of losing that exclusivity, fear of BLing, and so on. And if everyone lies, the alternative is to just stop going to korgs altogether,which I don't think is an option for a lot of addicted mongers.
The problem here is people who try to downplay or legitimatize such behavior. The attitude of 'stfu and eat what you're given' , to me, goes against everything what consumerism stands for. And when orgs see such attitude, they double down on lying because they see it works. The more orgs get called out where as many other customers as possible see their lying, the better. Some don't even care.
I agree with you about begging to p4p. Like I've said, some people probably don't have other options. That's understandable
I don't agree with you about blaming the mongers for it. You can argue its a battered wife syndrome or whatever. However, let's put it this way. I've been lied to in one capacity or the other by pretty much every org in the bay. Whether it's a fake pic or fake measurements or fake reviews. What are my options?
A) like Jensen says decide its not a big deal and do nothing and be content with status quo
B) decide its a big deal and educate others by listing every single lie they peddle, while still consuming
C) decide its a big deal and stop consuming, which means orgs will continue to lie
Option b is the only one that will affect the lying sacks of shit. Hence this is the option I would recommend taking. Some might not be able to afford this option. By all means, if there are orgs that don't lie in order to make $, I would advice to go to them. But Im not aware of such orgs. There are orgs who lie less and those who lie more.
I can afford option B. I am willing to sacrifice my money and my session to ensure that if the experience is bad, I can prevent others from wasting their money. And conversely if the session was great I'll let everyone know that this new girl is great.
Most people choose option c if they're fed up. However, I am a guy who hates seeing misled fellow hobbyists, in any hobby. So it's extra satisfaction for me to catch lying sacks of shit in action.
And what I've learned from experience is if you say something loud enough for many other customers to hear, the orgs will care, just like they will care about a subpar review. In vegas I've even heard of bookers offering $ to monger to not write a subpar review.
How do you hit a lying sack of shit the hardest? Make them lose money by actively writing truthful reviews and psas on active forums or groups. Say the girl is 50 and not 20 as advertised (as long as it's true), and they will lose money. As long as you don't do it on purpose, it's fair game. I'm OK with them lying to me and then me relating the truth about the girl to others. Well not OK, but that's better than them taking advantage of others.
I'll briefly respond.
Unlike what you say to be below, you are not slightly confused. You are completely confused about what I've been saying and possible just confused in general.
I have specifically said that unless you can change the cash flow then all the whining in the world will not change some business's behavior. In other words, just as GaG said, if you are going to keep seeing providers at these agencies you name as cheats that is on you, not the agency. That was why I ask over a week ago why you guys are so bent on seeing k-girls. See some other segment and I'm sure you can find plenty that will give you the pron experience you are looking for. (My experience is that for the most part the Korean women and not really into a porn experience but target more a GFE type service.)
Yeah, call me "confused in general" , I'm sure it contributes to your point. You addressed nothing what I said in that post about using reviews if all your sessions are good. Yet again you tell me to use option c.
Call what I do "whining", even though I simply tell others when orgs with fake reviews or the girl simply is nowhere the advertised girl.
Again, if "whining" wasn't going to change anything, why do orgs care so much about subpar reviews for a new girl that they offer money for people to not write them or threaten blacklist? "whining" on another board made orgs listen and even respond to feedback.
The "if you don't like something, then leave" is the cheapest rhetoric ever made. I'm sad to see you resort to it.
You keep going back to my preferences instead of addressing my post on hand. Lol at you blaming mongers for orgs and PO lies again.
PS
And sorry, if we're going to talk about my preferences which now you bring in to every post, but many kgirls provide excellent "old PSE" service with great endurance. And it's exactly what I'm looking for.
But if a girl is a dead fish? There's a reason why TER has a "just laid there" as a word equivalent of grade below 5. TER seems to understand what constitutes good service more than some people on here, it seems.
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"why do orgs care so much about subpar reviews for a new girl that they offer money for people to not write them"
Do you have proof or is that just speculation based on how silicon valley and and many of the web developer companies do business? And we know that is a model offer as it's been reported more than a few times in press about how some promise X ad clicks and X positive reviews in the first several months of bringing up the site.
I have seen a fellow monger say it, on Vegas forum on "std board", as cdl calls it. Vegas has a lot less kgirl agencies. I can pm you a link if you want, I believe linking to it here is forbidden. It's his word, of course, so it's not 100% believable, but I don't see whats the incentive for lying there.
I don't understand what silicon valley companies have to do with this.
I'm baffled by what you say about the flow and not affecting anything. You say it with such conviction with zero evidence behind it, yet always ask me for evidence. And when I present it you choose to go to attacking my preferences. That's low.
In my experience, I've already seen it firsthand. I've seen an org update pics of girls with much more closer to truth ones after complaining about shitty fake pics. And I commended them for doing that.
Orgs read forums, especially ones that are full of their clientele. Bookers read forums. Maybe not this one in particular, but best believe they read feedback. They certainly read reviews. They do damage control and all that. Speaking up makes a difference.
I've been seeing KGirls in Vegas for 5+ years. To the best of my knowledge, there are four reputable KGirl agencies that provide great to good service. They are in terms of my preference Vegas Asian Club (my personal favorite), Girlfriendlv (formerly Discrete Whispers), Club Love Line, and Little Tokyo. There are other massage and small sites that also provide asian ladies, but if you read their reviews they seem to be sketchy at least some of the time.
This is correct. You forgot Asian palace, as it, along with LT are lower quality orgs that do not screen.
I will put out a word to Lily A's, it's a FS parlor on Tropicana. The last two girls I've had there were disappointing, but before that I had amazing experience with a young girl who was amazing and I to fucking. Better than any kgirl I've had in Vegas. Storefronts are huge crapshoots tho. If anyone stops by there, say hi to Joy for me.
Asian Palace was one of the small sites I referred to. In my experience only 1 or 2 ladies at a time and is non-gfe/cbj only. Not my cup of tea.
Don’t know anything about Lily’s. Maybe someday I’ll check it out.
I just wanted to know your source.
You keep complaining about fake reviews, shills and inflated reviews for some unstated return (better treatment, special services...). The point about silicon valley is that there are a lot of business models based around deception and false, created images (fake likes, fake product reviews, bot ad clicks) sold by the development company to their client to fool the clients customers or those wishing to pay for advertising on the new site.
This is not really something that is all that new. Advertising has always been about creating a buzz and interest by inflating various aspects of how the item being offered is presented. This happens with both actual products and services. It has been going on for centuries. That was the experience I was talking about in my response to GaG's question. You don't need to come into this world the then throw everything you ever new out the window and act like some naive, new borne baby. But that is exactly how some (many?) newbies act here.
You claim that my pointing out the they need to take responsibility for their own decisions and to not take everything they see in the ad (or review) at face value is somehow anti-monger merely because I say if you cannot change how someone else acts you should just take their behavior into account. That is bull shit and stupid. It is also not helping any newbies.
Calling out the fake ads (which I should note you do much, much less of than screaming about their existence) is just giving the newbie a fish. I say we need to teach them to fish. So who is really more pro-monger, newbie helpful?
You don't understand my point about cash flow being what will actually change a businesses behavior? If so there really isn't anything I can do to help you out then.
There is a thing called ethics. Yes, sellers and marketing in many different places tend to exaggerate sometimes, but it's something that is fought against, and if they are caught red-handed, companies take a reputation hit.
I did not say that you saying some mongers don't need to take anything at face value as anti-monger. In fact, I encourage everyone not to trust anything you read on the internet without proper research. However, there are always lines beyond which a lie becomes a big lie. Remember me asking you how much lie is too much of a lie and where do you draw the line? Exactly.
What I did say is that blaming mongers for bad experiences instead of putting blame at least on both parties, is anti-monger. Telling someone to not write a subpar review of a new girl, because you're concerned about the girl and org business, is extremely anti-monger. It literally stands against what customer feedback is for, and directly affects monger awareness. You might as well be in cahoots with an org.
Again, pointing out fake ads, fake reviews and fake pics does bring results. Again, I witnessed them. You don't have any evidence yet keep repeating your stuff about affecting cash flow. Putting out honest reviews that point out bad products directly affects cash flow. Putting out honest reviews of a bad product that is toftt, immensely affects cash flow. Again, if it did not, then orgs wouldn't care about subpar reviews. Wheres your evidence that reviews and feedback on the board doesnl not affect anything?
If you teaching a newbie how to fish means telling him not to write a subpar review of a toftt new girl that might prevent others from wasting money and time, then yeah - your idea of fishing is dogshit. You care about girls and org rep and business more than you do about mongers. It's a pretty fucking logical conclusion. If a honest subpar review helps even one monger to avoid what he otherwise would waste time and money on, it was already worth it. I don't give a rats ass about girls business or org business. Because I stand with mongers. A mongers health or experience is a thousand times more important to me than all of my atfs combined. Because I stand with mongers. You, on other hand, consider newbie mongers idiots, and care about the girls. And also always tend to blame the consumer instead of the product. What can I say here? It's clear whose side you're on. Should be clear to anyone.
I suppose I should comment as well.
Like most of the reasonable people here I would fall broadly into the "it depends" crowd. However, that is also a bit problematic. I don't get close enough to the bookers (not really a VIP for them) and also keep a bit of distance from other clients/mongers (choose your label). As such I tend to rely mostly on my prior experience.
I do consider the reputation of the agency and try to work with the best I can in my area. I also look at the weight of the reviews and see about getting some "average" from that. While doing my checks I will also vet the reviewer; look for how they reviews someone I have seen or at at least check to see they seem to have some level of discrimination. If everyone they see is 9/9 or 10/10 and never have given something like a 7 but have more than 20 reviews either ignore them or discount.
So the reality is that I trust neither. I know I'm taking a gamble on just what is going to be behind the door when it opens and just hope my spidey senses are not too far off. That said, I think there is something more going on and the underlying dynamics in various markets seem to be producing significantly different results even after controlling for differences in tolerance for the "small imperfections".
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I'm slightly confused, I believe you said you haven't had a bad experience with kgirls yet. So how do your past experiences help you if they're all strictly positive? If anything, going off those experiences would logically tell you that you any kgirl should be a good session, no?
Why do all the research if you've never had a bad one? Or do you think your research is what helped to avoid bad ones? So do bad ones exist and you just managed to avoid them via your spidey senses?
In my book, the people who do the most research are the ones who want to avoid bad sessions the most. Usually they are the ones who have a lot of bad sessions or are picky. Like I've said, there's a guy who won't see any girls with fake tits. So to him, it's vital to know whether natural tits is a marketing ploy/lie or not.
In football, there's a concept of "let's run the same play until they can show they can stop it". Naturally, if in any hobby I get a good experience every time, then I would not peruse reviews at all. What for? Until at least one bad experience. The guy who can get the hottest girl in any bar does not look at what bar is best for pickups.
Jensen's response. My take is that he's saying that when you have enough experience, it makes you better at researching and vetting, whether its the girl, the org or reviews. Granted, that's something your Newbies have to work up to, partly on a trial and error basis, or I suppose they could just wait until you bring down all of the orgs and see if they can still get it up by then. (Sorry, I couldn't help myself - Lol).
I have to disagree with you on your point that those that do the most research have the most disappointments. While it may LOOK that way to the casual observer, what's really happening most often is that lower-volume mongers are feeding their anxiety about making a wrong decision and so they keep changing their minds after over-researching and the disappointing session becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Guys that know HOW to research, what to look for, what and who to trust, and what to ignore, have a lower incidence of disappointing sessions. Researching is a numbers game. The goal is to get the risk to a manageable level you are comfortable with. Trying to eliminate the risk completely is a fools errand.
What I said is what drives a lot mongers to research is them encountering bad sessions in the first place.
Like I've said before, newbies have honeymoon phase with kgirls, and then once they understand routines etc, they start getting bad experiences. Many of them just go with whatever prior to that.
If someone like Jensen who claims to never had a subpar session (maybe I misunderstood, if so then apologies),why would one ever read reviews?
I read reviews because I've seen orgs lie to everyone, including me, in ads, reviews and in texts, etc. Once you lie once, trust is gone. I consider you a lying sack of shit. My criteria is extremely simple - service queens. Yet even some girls who get advertised as such, are a lie sometimes. If that never happened, and ads and dimensions and monikers were true, and no org affiliates pretending to be mongers would be writing reviews, I wouldn't read any reviews. There was a massage parlor that never lied to me. I won't say the name,but MMS treated everyone the right way. Never once lied to mongers AFAIK, even when times were tough. There was no point for me to read reviews for that place past the fact FS was available, because I had no need for them. She'd send mongers real pics of girls. That parlor did not last long, alas, as fake advertising gets you a lot more money than honest ads.
Again, many mongers who did a lot research on donkey are some of the most picky people who saw many girls a week. When you're picky, you're forced to research to stay sane. Why do the people with success rate of 98% need to do research? That 2% is negligible. People who don't think of quality of product as highly as others, will research more. It's natural. Again, a guy who refuses to see any fake tit girl, is forced to research a lot more than someone who is happy with anything. I hope you won't deny that.
I tend to be with what Jensen said here. I don't have personal relationships with any of the bookers/orgs. What has worked best for me it to read reviews from regular KGirl fans and see how they review ladies that I have seen. If their reviews have similar numerical scores and detail sections that are similar to my experiences with the same ladies then I feel safe seeing any ladies to whom they've given good/great reviews. Thus far, that's worked best for me and I haven't had a sub-par experience yet.