Hera at M (W LA) =Jane from sexyangels = Jana from lovelyangels = pristine (ebk)
TER won't let me put a detailed post as to why, I will do a review, but it's the worst kgirl service I've ever had.It's always a conundrum about outing a kgirl who's rebranding herself --) does she have a stalker like Irina? Or trying to re-invent herself? Or her service is lackluster and lazy and she takes the donation and proceeds to phone that shit in.
Use your good judgement.
YMMV
I wanted to make a rebrand thread, for west coast mongers. Do you think I can post info here or should I just make my own?
Looking back, the rebrand threads on the donkey was one of the most helpful resources for me.
pretty clear in his headline, I would suggest making this the re-brand thread, but I will add that MANY girls end up with infatuated stalker problems in this biz, so a lot of care must be taken in deciding when to do this. There is always PM if its going to cause issues for a girl to have it posted it on an open board.
I think the only good reason to do this is when a girl is trying to hide from her bad reviews. There are legit marketing reasons and agency policies governing girls that use a different name when touring from NorCal to SoCal or Vegas. Outing a girl in Vegas could get her released by the agencies there, and she may be out of work until she can line up another location. Lead time for touring girls in securing locations to work is usually 3 - 6 weeks. Same thing with certain agencies in SoCal, if they can't market her as NEW, then they will not give her a slot. They bring NorCal girls down to be NEW girls. Otherwise, they don't want them.
I know this sounds restrictive, and I get frustrated as much as anyone, especially in Vegas, where nearly half the girls I've seen that were "new" with new photos were actually girls I had seen before somewhere else. Its not that big of an issue in SoCal/NorCal. So unless I'm absolutely certain a girl is re-branded to hide bad service/reviews, I will not be naming girls just for using a new name when they are touring. Many agencies demand it, or they don't want them. I will not do anything to hurt a legit girl's business prospects.
Stalker problem is a legit reason, marketing purpose is not. Once again, it's clear what you think of mongers and where you put their rights. Don't ever say you're pro-monger. Lol. You care more about the other side making money than letting mongers know who they will see. This all bullshit wouldn't even be a thing if real pictures were used btw.
Marketing the girl as new and not wanting the girl if she can't be marketed as new are two different things. The latter is nonsense,because in reality there are very few actually new girls coming in, especially during covid. It's all a stunt to make customers believe the girl is fresh and new. When they're not.
Shiit, are you OK with same agency rebrands? We have an org in the bay that keeps advertising the same girl as two different girls with two sets of pics, at the same time. Is this something that you also want to protect? Because that's the definition of a noob trap. Noob sees one girl, then perhaps he's not into her, then says ooh another girl in the org, let's try her. He gets there and it's the same girl as last time.
Twoon, apologies for this post. I could not help myself. I will fill this thread with some kgirl names today.
Your default position is "protect the mongers first" unless there is a very good reason not to, and that of course was why review boards were created in the first place. CDL seems to default to "protect the girls first" unless there is a very good reason not to, which is NOT why these sites were created.
Sorry CDL, but I've got to go with Rocket here. I think the default position of ALL mongers and not just the ones who see and review K-Girls should be. "if the girl, for any reason other than her personal safety, is trying to deceive the community, than the community deserves to know" Encouraging the girls to lie for ANY other reason simply goes against the very reason this board was created.
For the record, I once saw the same gorgeous, but "chilly" girl THREE fucking times because she had changed both her name and the agency she worked for. The visits were spaced several months apart and it wasn't until we were naked that I recognized her at which point I felt it was past the point where I could/should just walk out the door. I simply can't side with encouraging bad behavior on the part of substandard hookers.
OTOH when a love-sick john starts posting ISO posts looking for some hooker who almost certainly wants nothing to with him, I won't encourage that kind of bad behavior also. The girls do have the right to be left in peace, but that doesn't mean they have the right to reinvent themselves to escape bad reviews.
you went ahead and setup all those other mongers you say should be protected by this type of site? LOL or do you have hidden reviews (pretty sure your said you just don't review).
I agree with, and think we all do, on the extreme points. Changing names to protect herself from something bad like a love-sick stalker is not a problem. Changing names to escape a justified reputation with not intent to change behavior is not welcome and calling it out perfectly fine (and part of the function of something like TER).
Then there is a lot of stuff in between that happens in any market setting. How much of that we need to care about I don't know. My view is not much.
Couple of things here. Yes, the stalker situation is bad, but you gotta understand stalkers are very dedicated to stalking, so they are going to find out one way or the other. If we can, so can they. Still, it's one situation where I respect concealing girls rebrand identity.
The other thing is sometimes rebrand is not the girls' idea. Some agencies don't give a choice of name for the girl, they assign it and they have to use it. Even if they were established before.
Sometimes knowing a rebrand name actually helps a girl's business. A popular girl has fans who don't know who she is once a rebrand. Twoon mentioned Angela, who is kind of a legend around here, when she was rebranded a lot of people who liked her had no idea that's her.
When a girl uses same set of pics for several agencies, it's straightforward for anyone to see who she is. Reverse image search is a thing. This is public information, and consolidating it in one place is just convenience. I don't really see anything wrong with that.
with agency same-city rebrands, and I'm not okay with a girl rebranding to escape a bad review history, but like I say below, its been the practice for touring girls to use different names in different cities, so its only a problem for guys like me who see girls while traveling, but its not that big of deal, because often when I'm in another city I will CHOOSE to see a girl I know if none of the other girls seem to be my type from the photos and reviews.
You are focusing on "substandard" girls, and I think we are in agreement that rebranding in that case is not acceptable (I thought I made that a separate point in my post above), but I have no problem with NorCal girls who have good reviews touring to SoCal under another name so they can build a new customer base down here. It means the good ones will keep coming back, which is good for the SoCal guys.
I've written more on this board and through PM's to help other mongers successfully navigate the Kgirl scene than you even know from your own limited experience. Since you've been here all of ten minutes, you really should do a little research on my prior informational posts so you don't make such a fool of yourself on who you think I am. When you post here, your post gets a number of "reads." Many of my informational posts have thousands of reads on this board. That would not happen unless I have a reputation for helping my fellow mongers and putting out accurate info based on may experience. So you, sir, can GFY.
First let me address your naivete about "real" photos. There is a girl (who I won't call out by name) who used REAL photos in her Kgirl ads in the BA a couple of years ago, regardless of which agencies she was working at. She went on a vacation to Mexico and when she returned, immigration found her Kgirl prostitution ad with facial recognition software. They grabbed her passport, and gave her a court date. Her lawyer was able to convince the court it wasn't her, but it was a narrow escape. Many other girls have not been so lucky. Granted, it was dumb to vacation outside the US, but with this risk out there, its just another reason why very few Kgirls use their real photos in their ads for illegal services. Would you do a photo holding a handful of crystal meth, say buy this from me, and put your real picture on the internet? You seem clueless that Kgirls are in an illegal business. That makes you a danger to yourself and others. The other reason girls don't use completely accurate photos is that they also have personal lives. They often live near where they work, and they don't want anyone who can recognize them from a photo to be able to call them out in public for what they do. That's why in OC, where we have the largest Viet community in the US, Viet working girls will not even see Viet customers, for fear of running into them at church, in the stores, etc. Photos are always shopped.
Now to fresh and new . . . . . If you have not seen a girl before, then she is new for you, so the problem of which you complain does not exist. If you have seen her before, then she is not new, but if she has good reviews and high scores, what's wrong with seeing her again if you weren't able to determine that she is someone you already saw? The problem you have, is you've already told us MOST of your sessions are disappointing, so it stands to reason that you would not want to repeat with the same girls, but for those of us that know how to research before we see girls the first time, we have overwhelmingly POSITIVE experiences with Kgirls. I'm beginning to think that most of your disappointments are because these intuitive Kgirls, who see about a thousand+ guys in the course of a year on average, have you pegged as an asshole with a bad attitude from the get go, so the problem with you bad sessions is YOU, not them.
Agency rebrands have been a part of the business since its inception. Touring girls count on being able to be the new girl when they hit a new town for a three-week shift. If they are good, they will get positive reviews under the new name and will attract regulars who will see them every time they come back. If the girl is mediocre, she will get poor reviews and may not come back to that town at all. The quality of the service determines the future, just like it does for girls that remain in one place. You seem to agree with me that girls who have stalkers that want to be UTR are okay to rebrand, but you are not okay with them rebranding as they move from town to town. Since you don't seem to hobby outside the BA like I do, why is that a problem for you? As long as they use the same name in the BA, you will know who they are. This is where PM is valuable, but in order to get guys to cooperate with your info requests, there is an expected quid pro quo that you will reciprocate. As guys here figure out you don't really know shit, who will want to be your monger bro and keep you from making misstates in who you see? Certainly not me.
Yes, you are not pro-monger. You may have helped mongers before, sure, but your stance is not pro-monger because its clear where the emphasis is put. Mongers are the ones who are blamed by you and not the other side. Even in this post you've resorted to saying untrue things (I never said majority of my sessions were disappointing, because this simply isn't true) and blaming me for my bad experiences, which is straight out of org playbook. You are mad that I refuse to play by the dubious rules established by suppliers and tell others to not play by them. Stay mad,I guess. Because that's not changing anytime soon.
I didn't say I'm not OK with them rebranding. I'm fine with that. I don't view rebranding as a bad thing at all. Al lot of times, girls don't have control of things. Just as I don't view posting about rebrands as anything bad either. Especially if it's publicly available. Consolidation of public information for mongers access is perfectly fine.
If it's fine to pass via pm, then why is it not fine to pass via forum? Oh I get it, non VIP mongers might see it and now they can make a more informed decision. Can't have that, nope. And just for the record, I will gladly provide any info I can to any monger about any girl, without any quid pro quo. Anyone is welcome, even you.
There ARE real pics out there, especially with faces blurred. Gfe all stars in NY did this, some girls in some agencies have very real pics. The PS pics always try to make the girl look like a lifeless doll and not her true body.
I never asked for anyones help, and I don't care about myself making "mistakes". Sometimes the mistakes are unavoidable, like it's fucking 12am and there's one girl left to book and she has blah reviews. I obviously don't blame anyone for it, but it's likely to be a meh experience.
You can say I don't know shit as many times as you want. I'll let my posts on here speak for themselves.
Again, twoon, sorry for this. This will be my post replying to cdl in this thread. I will only talk about kgirls in LA, Vegas, Seattle and the Bay from now, here. I'm tired of this bickering, time to help mongers.
narrative that its us against them. Why is there no middle ground for you? You view the agencies as the "enemy", but they are the ones making it possible for all of us to enjoy Kgirls in the first place. Sure, they are not perfect, but whatever minor irritations we must endure, speaking for myself, I think they are worth putting up with. I have only met a handful of Kgirls, out of 800+ individuals, that knew enough English to do their own booking, so without the orgs, we would all be paying much higher prices to indie girls for worse service than we are used to getting form Kgirls. I don't know why you want to bite the hand that feeds you. You clearly have an agenda, so I assume something happened between you and an org that you thought was unfair, so now you are in crusader-retaliation mode. I've seen guys like you before. Its the reverse-Midas touch. Everything you get involved with turns to shit, and you want to blame everyone else. Once more, in case you didn't catch my point . . . . . 'WITHOUT AGENCIES AND BOOKERS, NONE OF US BE SEEING KGIRLS."
You hit the nail of the head about King Richard the Lion Heart. You can see him all over these forums and he is not pro-monger. He accused me of being law enforcement once when I asked if anyone had any luck getting a hold of a provider. Another monger helped me out with a few tips on how to get a reply and now I have been seeing this provider for several years now.
Touring providers who travel by air in THIS country can sometimes get swept up by the same facial rec software if their passport is matched to a hooker ad. I know a couple of girls who had to get fake, secondary passport to travel within the US and who left their "real" passport with a trusted friend because of this issue.
I think this is one of the reasons we have always given the Asian and South American girls a pass where it comes to stock pics.
I'm pretty sure I mentioned blurry face pics in my post. Have you ever gone to see a girl who is using a pic with her body as slender as a stick only to see a young Zach Thomas staring at you? Why not show closer to truth pics? Some people like chubby girls. Some like inked girls. And so on. And others can't stand them. On donkey forum there was a guy who couldn't take any fake tits, no matter how well made. He'd bounce as soon as he'd see they were fake. Even the ads with natural tits a lot of time would be misleading.
There are less unknowns if body is closer to truth. It's to the point where I don't even look at the pics, I just look at measurements, because those tend to be more accurate.
Back in NYC, even storefront spas would have real bodies with blurred faces. One of my atfs from a midtown spa was plastered in ads for years, with her real body showing and her face blurred. That was a freaking storefront!
Anyhow, this isn't even a super big deal. I just mentioned that if pics were more real, it'd be easier to recognize the girls. Most rebrands will use the same pics, so it's a moot point.
Very few providers, Kgirl or indie, will show ink. Its another way to ID a girl in real life. I don't know about other guys here, but photoshopping to make a chub look slim is pretty easy to spot if you look at the edge of her body compared to the background. The background along her body is blurred which shows its been blended to cover her fat. If they pinch in her waist, then the background where the waist used to be has to be virtually created, and will usually not be exactly the same as the rest of the background. Practice and you'll get good at spotting it. I even keep a little magnifying glass next to my keyboard when I'm browsing photos.
As far a s fake tits, I have two separate thoughts. First, if you're getting your info from a TER review, then its the first reviewer that sets up her profile, not the org and not the girl. This is one way to spot fake reviews and shills. If the shill or fake reviewer says they are natural, and you see her, and they are clearly upgrades, it means the guy writing the review probably didn't really see her, so you can disregard the review. With that said, there are new guys that can't tell the difference between fakes and naturals when it comes to girls that are paying big bucks for the new deeper implants. They feel real. The only way you will know is to put her on her back. If she's a D-cup and they are natural, they will slide into her armpits a little. If they are fakes, they will stay up on her chest. With small tits, its a little more subtle. You have to watch if they swing naturally when she moves around.
My second point about fake tits is that the larger orgs who have a lot of girls rotating through admittedly do a piss-poor job of keeping the ad copy up with the parade of girls. They use templets, and just fill in the stats of the new girl. Sometimes, they forget completely. When that happens to me, I tell them to correct the ad page. Getting angry solves nothing. I have gone into a session on occasion expecting to see a 5-0 spinner and the girl nearly six-feet tall. Sometimes, even "mistakes" like that end up being a home run for me. Sometimes, they even have messages on the ad, that say, "Hello, I'm new and my name's Jo." However, Jo is the girl that left last week and they didn't change the ad to say "Gina."
I think all mongers probably recognize the value of the girls feeling safe in what are doing, and altered photos is one way to do that. It makes for better sessions for us.
I know this was not the point of your post at all.
But color me envious of the access to Viet girls. Here in NorCal I only run into them rarely. Usually in an AMP, which I consider far from ideal conditions. AMPs used to be able to be great. I think those days are gone.
But I met a beautiful Viet girl as her very first customer once. Managed to keep seeing her for a year before the AMP system burned her out.
Essentially, I’m just saying “lucky you and all you guys who have plentiful access to Viet girls”.
All good Rocketbro. We've had many a good discussion about what's a legitimate rebrand and what's a sub par service kgirl trying to get over on unsuspecting mongers.
Seems like Angela tried to rebrand but then went back to Angela...
A dedicated stalker will probably not be fooled by a rebrand, or not for as long as the majority of her repeatable clients. I'm not convinced that keeping rebrands secret is all that helpful to the girl.
And putting the rebrand on a forum like this does not interfere with her being advertised as "new"; guys who read these boards (or who read at all) know that "new" is ridiculous. There are girls who have been with the same org around here for nearly a year with the same brand still being posted daily as "new".
But there is the main reason to publish rebrand info: so guys who like her can find her again. This is good both for the guys and for the girls, so no matter which side you're pro- it can be a consideration.
It's the other side of the coin from letting guys who dislike her keep avoiding her, but I think more important.
You can go into MyTER and then My Board Posts and edit the post that was accidentally submitted before you said anything useful and then repost.
Of course TER probably should have caught that as well and just not let it though.
if the poster is still being moderated. Those posters that have earned the right to be unmoderated see their posts go up immediately, but you can still edit the post for 4 hours.
If you don't have specific information be careful I would say. While clearly the stalker scenario is much more likely with one of the top tier girls, beauty (and to some extent performance) is in the eye of the beholder so even a mid-tier girl can attract an unwanted fan. And stalkers are not the only reason a renaming might be needed while not being about trying to fool mongers.
Back channel communication rather than public commentary or reviews comes into play for these situations when they start coming up.
And crap, I just figured out GaG's problem provider. She was actually trying to escape you but you fucking fuck too much and kept finding her!
Helen (AsianAngels, San Mateo) => Sophie (sweet Asian gem, Costa Mesa) TER 346662 same pics, reviews match.
Rocket notes: one of best aa girls, top 5 rimmer. Very Good service. Large natural c cup tits that sag a tiny
bit but still are amazing. Face on older side, however I find her very cute. Definitely stoked I've found her again.
Momo/Ivy (CLL, Vegas) => Nana (Violas, San Mateo) TER 345664 and TER 348103
Tanya=>Judy(Violas, AA in the bay) =>Autobahn (Alpacas, San Jose) => Jisoo(ebk, east bay) TER: 348915
Yuri (AA) = Everly (AA). Both are available or not available at the same time. Lmao.
AA Anika=Selina (multiple bay orgs) =>Selina (sweet angels dot ch, SJ)
Jamie(HD, bay) =>Jamie(CLL, Vegas) =>Jamie(ktownescort, LA)
Mykupcake (OC) Vanessa was just at an AA affiliate in the bay, forgot her name tho. Will add on.
It's a girl who is getting slow and is looking for the initial rush of new business. They change their name and get new pics and hope not many recognize them. Those are usually the girls who you see moving from agency to agency or even
re branding themselves within the same agency.
A monger bro of mine asked me to reach out to see if anyone has sessioned with Liz at Kpleasures? He thinks its Yoko Re-branded but doesn't want to take the $220 plunge.
TIA
I haven't seen her, but Yoko would always use her pics, she is always PSE and is 5'0.
Im 99.99999% sure this isn't Yoko. Yoko had this incident with cops to start the year, so I haven't seen her since.
Unless you're implying some other Yoko
BTW Twoon, gsc Nicole is currently Allie in so cal's M org. She's using old pics and confirmed by so Cal mongers.
Do you mean the Yoko on NeuroticMonkey with ID 055512?
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Based on pictures, I saw Liz in Orange County, CA. Those are not her real pics and she was about 5'7" tall. I think she arrived in February when Covid cases in OC could be count on one hand. She may have to return to Korea soon.
No, the Yoko my monger buddy is searching to reunite with is a 5' lovely kgirl.
Hera at M (W LA) =Jane from sexyangels = Jana from lovelyangels = pristine (ebk)
TER won't let me put a detailed post as to why, I will do a review, but it's the worst kgirl service I've ever had.
One of my most trusted monger friends says that Tanya is now re-branded as 'Sonya'. She also is a 'water works' kgirl.
This is Tanya's fourth name in like a year and change (see my post in this thread) And twoon, I will argue with you, mainly I will say that she is NOT a real waterworks girl.
Hey Rocketbro, here's a conundrum for me. You and parttimer1 and my monger buddy have sessioned with Tanya aka Sonya; I haven't. Yes, Valida! I'm not supposed to comment on second hand intel...
Parttimer1 and I have the most similar tastes of all my monger friends; we sessioned with the likes of Vicky, Iris, Ji Won and Tiana and have been completely in agreement in our evaluation of these lovely ladies. Parttimer1 said Tanya was almost a fat Chick and there was no mention of 'water works' and thus I passed. I believe you too Rocketbro. Maybe my trusted monger friend likes thick kgirls, like Yuffie, but he turned me on to Amy. This is a toughie my brother.
I'm kinda into Bora and working on a tag team project and my vampire kgirl wants me to let her in and Jesi want to know what's up. Plus, I'm busy as FUCK at work. Oh, to be in demand...
I'll be frank, if I was in your place, I'd try all the rumored waterworks girls haha. I mean you love that stuff, so why not? You don't have many bad sessions anyway.
My session with her lacked chemistry, but I think she expected me to daty her and I didnt. She even said she was kinda dry. So your results may vary! I did hear she can get wet just not squirt. She wasn't into me and I wasn't into her. She wasn't fat when I saw her, nice phat ass maybe, but I saw multiple reports now saying she is now...who knows. Multiple rebrand of name does look a bit worrisome tho.
Happy adventures, brother!
Vanessa at Elegant Eros.
Man, she changes names and orgs fast as hell.
Are Stephanie from HD (I think she might have also been Kylie at AA orgs) and Pink from AA, respectively.