According to his biopic, Alfred Kinsey began studying human sexuality after he and his wife were discussing her painful experience with the length of his penis (doc recommended doggie style.) Don't know if that is true, but it is true that banging the cervix can be painful.
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My first wife had this issue on occasion. But it would go away once she got warmed up, so to speak.
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I can imagine that pros don't get sexually excited, it's just a job, so things aren't going to relax and stretch out as much, leaving them with a shorter distance to their cervix.
I read a recent review that reminded me one of the reasons I carefully read reviews and check with other mongers before I make appointments. Because..
I’ve found that there are quite a few K-girls who play Dodge the Pickle.
What is Dodge the Pickle? Glad you asked.
If you have anything more than about 5.5 inches, it seems there are more than a few k-girls who squirm and use various angles and tricks to avoid taking the entire.. pickle. A girl can be otherwise awesome. But I find that more than a little Dodge the Pickle can make me have to spend more time and attention being careful to manage my depth than having fun.
This is perfectly OK. I don’t want to hurt anybody. And don’t get me wrong. I will still sometimes see girls who play Dodge the Pickle. A great deal of mutual fun is still possible (though I admit that I usually don’t return to see a Dodge the Pickle girl for a second visit). I just prefer being able to set my expectations before I get there.
But it is also a bit disappointing to find it out once you get there, in my opinion, rather than walk in knowing it’s probably going to happen.
And, before anyone says it, I am fully aware of the importance of lubrication and foreplay and their impact on the likelihood of experiencing Dodge the Pickle. Finding what helps a particular girl feel comfortable is one of the very first things I do in a session with a new girl. This is one of the reasons I absolutely never do 30 minute sessions and have a strong preference for 90 minute plus sessions.
I won’t name any Dodge the Pickle girls because I’ve only been seeing those who don’t have size issues lately. Though I saw a recent review that seemed to indicate (not 100% sure) there’s at least one Dodge the Pickle girl out there.
In the past, I’ve found that there are more than a few mongers out there who, like me, try to avoid Dodge the Pickle situations if they can.
So, I thought I would ask for guidance from the gang.
There are two lists I try to keep. Though I’m well aware that, as with everything, this is pretty highly YMMV. And that there are more than a few girls who fall squarely in the middle of the two lists.
** who are the girls that are known Dodge the Pickle girls?
** who are the girls that are least likely to play Dodge the Pickle? Yuna would be an example of a girl who I would put on this list.
Please feel free to DM.
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was something straight guys do in a bath house.
I have been with women of all races who try to limit penetration to as little as 2 or 3 inches or even less if possible. I don't think it has anything to do with a tiny coochie or a giant "pickle" I think it's just a facto of some women not really wanting to fuck.
I definitely agree that this type of thing does exist and I would love it if guys would put this kind of thing in their reviews.
Maybe we can have it added as another scoring option. If the girl does not dodge the pickle you can increase the score by 1.
Then at least everyone can give their favorites a 10 without having to lie for many of them.
dodging the pickle is the outlier, so I don't think a 10 should be available so easily. My suggestion would be to make CIMWS worth an extra point to get a 10. Not that many Kgirls do it currently, so it still makes a 10 kind of special. Its already on the drop-down list and TER would not have to change anything to allow it as a potential score increase. This would level the playing field for petite girls that can't take anal from average sized guys. It gives them another way to get to a 10 without resorting to a gangbang with multiple men, or the monger having to pay twice the price for a double.
CDL, in my experience (and I fully acknowledge that everyone’s experience is at least somewhat unique to them), Dodging the Pickle isn’t rare enough to be called an outlier.
But we each can only report based on our own experience. So, your experience that pickle dodging is outlier behavior is valid based on your data set. My data set is simply different from yours.
And the head of your dick flops on the floor, more girls may be predisposed to take a pass on accepting the whole length. I can only speculate. I don't have that issue, so yes, my anecdotal evidence would be different than yours. lol
Allowing you "all the way in" is an EXPECTED service from anyone I fuck. It's about as "extra" as an LFK.
I do agree about being able to give one's favorite a 10 without having to lie, so let's just get rid of the dumb "really bi" "Does gang bangs" prerequisites altogether
Must still be early for you two lol
I agree that the scoring is "what it is" and not that good. Specific acts should not really define the quality/satisfaction level of the session. However, those are both very qualitative assessments and will lead many to claim inflation and lots of disagreement on the experience.
I also wonder if dropping the scoring option might not be best for all. Or perhaps changing what it is supposed to convey. Maybe make it purely act related number. List all the acts, some might deserve some additional weight or some may omitted from the scoring depending on how much they might belong in a YMMV aspect. Then you click what you did and the system produces the number. But that might not be helpful it produced the same number for two or more sets of selected acts which collectively are nothing like one another from a sexual satisfaction experience.
Getting something that approximates something of a universal, objective measure of the session is the whole problem here. Having something that at least gives a short hand way of finding reviews to look at to assess a provider is probably what we have now with the scores. That alone might be worth keeping the scoring system even with all the warts.
According to his biopic, Alfred Kinsey began studying human sexuality after he and his wife were discussing her painful experience with the length of his penis (doc recommended doggie style.) Don't know if that is true, but it is true that banging the cervix can be painful.
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My first wife had this issue on occasion. But it would go away once she got warmed up, so to speak.
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I can imagine that pros don't get sexually excited, it's just a job, so things aren't going to relax and stretch out as much, leaving them with a shorter distance to their cervix.
When my wife had her full health (quite a while ago) she loved it deep. But as her health declined, that meant that every time we had sex the way she liked it she had to take medication to help her recover. This eventually almost completely eliminated her desire to have sex at all.
In order to be able to achieve full penetration with more than just the providers with the most flexible kitty and strong cervix, I have had to get relatively good at bringing a woman I’m with at least close to an O. If I can’t do that she’s going to have to have a really positive attitude and use a bunch of lube, which I’ve tried (when I could get that far) and do not prefer for multiple reasons. Though an extremely positive attitude makes up for a lot, I think. I recall one girl in particular who just reached over and added some extra lube to her kitty, shoved herself onto me, laughed at my reaction and said “now fuck me hard!”.
With more than a few Asian women I’ve met I’d never get in at all, much less have to worry about her cervix, if she didn’t even get close to an O with me. With my ATF we had about four “lots of lube and a very positive attitude” sessions before she decided she wanted to teach me to make her cum.
Οnce we got past that point the sex with her just went over the top wild with no size issues at all. She was one of those rare women (in my experience) that was uniformly tight all the way in. Like having anal sex (which is almost always uniformly tight all the way in) but with a wonderfully lubricated and sensitive vagina.
There are pickled gherkins, smaller than a roll of dimes. There are pickled whole watermelons ... well, the size of watermelons. There are pickled herrings which can be kind of big.
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And I gather that several people posting to TER have been pickled on many occasions.
I’m sure there are a lot of guys who don’t wanna pickle.
Cause they’d rather ride their motor-sickle .
That said, it seems the folks on the forum have no Dodge the Pickle intel they are willing or able to share.
I’ll gather intel on my own then. And when I do write reviews I’ll do my best to include Dodge the Pickle info.
Thanks for the humorous responses.
with Kgirls was when they were working while on their period and were wearing a "sponge". Even though they are relatively soft, the way they are positioned, if you're really pounding it, it has no place to go but into the opening of the cervix, and THAT can be quite painful I am told.
I don't think Kgirls consider 5.5 inches particularly large, so I agree with GaG that, rather than it being an issue of potential injury for them, they probably just don't like to fuck, and I have seen plenty of them that hate what they do, but most guys would never know it because they are great actresses. For most, its ALL about the money, and we are just the ATM machines.
Not sure why my post didn't show up, maybe ter considers it VIP info?
Anyway, it really depends. You say Yuna doesn't dodge it, sure, but her being below 5 feet, she often lubes up and when in doggie puts her legs inside mine. I have to move them outside to get deeper pen. And I'm merely 6" at full mast and below average girth. So she takes some precautions to get her going even tho she won't ever dodge any cock.
Really depends on daty too, I don't eat many girls, especially most bb girls,and many times it plays a role. Especially with girls who aren't nymphos who love all sex. Shape plays a role too. A smaller boomerang will cause a girl issues than a larger straight dick.
The only issue I have is when service girls and girls who are marketed as service queens can't take a pounding from an average dick like mine. Because as we all know, service is somewhat objective,and most people looking for a service queen are looking for a balls to the wall fuck.
Loved the Dodger reference. Well done.
The referenced provider (trying to avoid getting this post flagged as a review) and I have developed a routine that allows us to use her natural lubrication only most of the time. But I understand this is highly YMMV. As it was not always the case when I was first seeing her. And I’m sure there will be occasions in the future where extra lubrication will be required. Because she’s human and that’s just how it works.
But I can tell you that, under the right circumstances (as always, YMMV applies), the provider I mentioned can quite enthusiastically handle over 8 inches with nary a pickle dodge in sight.
As I’m sure you know, not all girls love DATY. Finding out what gets a particular girl going is a big part of the fun in mongering. In my opinion. Though for reasons I don’t fully grok, quite a few girls have asked me to not tell others what I have learned about their preferences.
I also interpret “service queen” to be a girl who does not have much, if any, in the way of size issues. And can at least put on a good show of enjoying full penetration.
Honestly, if you're over 8 inches, I feel like a lot of asian girls will have issues with your dick one way or the other.
I had a girl I liked @KGA, she was the only non-service queen Ive repeated 5+ times with. So she was very volatile. Some days she could ride my dick slowly in CG fine, the other days she would only put the tip in ( I do have a shroom head) in all positions and couldnt move it further. This meant I actually left with blueballs a couple of times, but she provided amazing GFE and was a cutie pie, so it wasn't a big issue. Besides, I'd usually just see some other girl after her who'd get me off.
There is some stalling for FS sometimes, which I don't like, but it's understandable on back-to-backs. Girls aren't robots, on one hand, but on another, I really wish theyd get more of a break because there is nothing more annoying than a girl who stalls on your rock hard dick. Lol.
And that is why I carefully read reviews and occasionally ask other mongers about Dodge the Pickle girls.
Even in the past couple of years I’ve met girls I had to very gently convince I would not hurt them and they could trust me to stop whenever they needed me to.
Those appointments generally start out with an offer of blowjob and/or handjob only. But careful review filtering and gentle foreplay on my part has largely eliminated appointments that end that way.
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Do you have some list of such girls, who are also marketed as service oriented ? I mostly just chalk it up to them not being service queens most of the time it happens to me.
Kira and Kama Sutra (alpaca's) are the ones that were marketed as service queens, but didn't like full penetration. Well, Kama Sutra trooped it out by being kind of a dead fish. Kira was more surprising to me, hopefully it was a one time thing.
I read reviews carefully, and one time they completely misled me was with KGA Kat. They mentioned KGA Kat as someone who could take a pounding. Those were real reviews, not even fake. And yeah, she couldn't take a pounding at all. I mean, at all.
If that’s the same Kira that was here a few years ago, then she has long been known as not being magnum friendly. Again, if it’s the same girl, she’s very pretty and I’d love to have a session with her. But I never did it because of the high chance that I’d have to schedule a backup engagement afterwards. And I just haven’t felt like dealing with that.
Years ago there was a near perfect beauty that worked in the South Bay that went by Betty/Ran. There was simply no way she and I were physically compatible. So, I’d schedule a session with her simply for her beauty. We’d do things that didn’t require full penetration. And then I’d go see another girl to actually have sex.
A girl has to be really hot for me to deal with that, though.
Yes,same Kira that was with aa 2 years ago. I don't know if Id call her pretty per se, I think her face is in the older side. Also 6" is pretty different from a Magnum tho.
Yeah I agree about the latter part of your post. I had that with Miko at times. I really liked her face and her attitude was very gfe and adorable. It's really hard for me to bust without dt or full penetration tho. Girls right after would help me with blue balls.
Were you back on the donkey site, if you don't mind me asking ? Your style seems somewhat familiar to me, but I can't quite put my finger on it.
Only very briefly on primate site. Maybe a month.
Started on that famous old red site we all know of. I’ve been on quite a few since then and used to be a frequent poster on a number of them. It’s very likely we ran into each other back when I was “forum active”. Stopped doing forums (mostly) after that FaceBody site shut down. Just corresponded privately with people I knew well.
For reasons already mentioned, I’ve generally been known for finding girls with whom I was compatible (Pink being one of my favorites) and rotating among them while occasionally trying to find new girls to add to my rotation. Which I’m guessing is what you might be remembering.
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OK, we prolly did not run into each other then, I started posting on donkey around the start of 2019
Was a member there since 2016 tho
Do you have any other girls from either category that you'd like to share ? Dodgers or non-dodgers ? I'm nowhere as big as you, but I still want to know the girls who can or cannot take a pounding.
Yuffie can take any pounding and won't ever dodge anything as well. Claire too. Hence this is my holy trinity of service girls in the bay. Claire, Yuna, Yuffie. All from "lower end" agencies as CDL would put it, but definitely my type of girls who know how to fuck, and Claire and Yuffie enjoy it too, a lot. Yuna takes some time and effort, but one can make her purr as well.
I don’t keep track of girls by whether they can “take a pounding”. I used to do so, along with a group of other guys. But this ended up being a rather not good thing. So all I track is whether they are known to be pickle dodgers or if they are magnum friendly. Not all non-pickle dodgers are magnum friendly. But I’ve never met a magnum friendly girl who was a pickle dodger.
Fair enough, my point is do you have such lists that you're willing to share?
This is an old list. So you’ll see names of providers that have either rebranded or moved on.
When this list was created, we considered anything over 6 inches to be a magnum. So, apply the designation with caution if you’re more than an inch or two over that. I have not personally checked out every name on this list. So that adds an extra degree of potential error.
I will point out that “magnum friendly” is not only YMMV. It can change over time and will apply to every subsequent client when it does. A girl can and will just decide for any reason that she will no longer continue to welcome full - or any - penetration from a magnum. For reasons I don’t understand, this has only happened with Chinese providers in my experience. But it does happen.
And, as I mentioned before, this is absolutely *not* a list of providers who take a pounding. Whenever a list of providers who can allegedly take a pounding is published, negative consequences seem to occur. I’ve seen it happen on multiple occasions. There are people who simply have no clue as to how to be responsive to the needs of the provider. These people see a “pounding” list and go into their session and pound away with complete abandon. Maybe they’re working out their frustration with every girl who has turned them down (this is how one provider I know described the experience).
Whatever the motivation/rationalization you then end up with providers who get hurt and have to take days off. And are likely to be much more cautious with all clients thereafter. It feels like rape to them when this happens. It ends up being bad news for everybody.
Anyway, here’s the list, for what it is worth.
Amy
Angela
Cemi
Claire (the one that used to work with Yuna)
Claudia
Crystal
Hana
Hara
Isabella
Michelle
Min
Mina
Mint
Passion
Sally
Soyi
Tyra
Vicky
Vivi
Yuna
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Fair enough, I will make note of the distinction. Thanks for the list. I do agree with every girl I've seen off this list.
Quick note: Some people might look at Michelle as an older veteran and give her a pass thinking that she can’t be that great anymore. But that woman is quite a treat. I highly recommend her.
She, like more than a few on this list, is also well known for genuine deep throat skill. That’s actually how this list got started.
I was trying to keep track of the providers who could truly take at least seven inches down their throat (yes, I know, most of that is in their mouth, not their throat - but oh that part that goes down their throat is pretty awesome). And then I ended up generalizing it to those who were magnum friendly overall.
We’re very lucky to have so many lovely and skilled providers here in the Bay Area. I hope everyone appreciates the privilege and takes care of them.
So, as always, have fun. That’s what we’re all here for.
I have found an easy solution: just put the first 5-6” in and leave the additional 5” outside the vagina. Works for me!