Whenever someone asked “What’s a Kgirl?”, it often triggered crusading passions for and against them. To make this discussion impersonal, let’s focus on the Pros & Cons sides. P side will take opportunity to shill and praise the Kgirls as best thing since a slice of breast. The C side will revile the Kgirls as high volume cheap whores. (hint: “Sure you want to touch by any 10-inch pole?”) Some even insinuate that they may have been misled or coerced into a sweat shop environment.
My main question is why such passion on both sides? Do people ever engage in such passionate crusades for or against Cgirls, Jgirls, Latinas, Europeans, TS? Why, why?
Every day we encounter issues or topics that evoke passion on one side or the other. First thing that comes to mind is a high dangerous mountain, like Everest, with the question being is it really worth it to try to summit while greatly suffering with an impossible to ignore chance of death. People are passionate on both sides, and the arguments make great reading. It doesn't seem they can reach a compromise because their viewpoints about the mountain are inherent to their mindsets and personalities.
The Kgirls are a distinct provider market, a system even, which we don't see for other nationalities as much. There is even this separate particular forum for them. So like a mountain, it is there and will provoke debate. Once we become familiar with the Kgirls, opinions form and diverge. If you are asking people if there are external motivations to take one side or the other, and that is causing more passion in discussions in comparison to other girls, those probably exist. But no one wants to lose credibility in a debate by acknowledging them.
Thanks for the post and giving me an excuse to write the above and further proscratinate on this nice Saturday. LO
Climb every Kgirl,
Search high and low,
Follow every byway,
Every path you know
Those who understand binary and those who don't.
Personally, I love the K-girls. 10 thumbs up
Two kinds of people in the world: Thise that know there are two kinds of people and those that don't.
liked it but would have probably left out the reference to binary and just left it at "those who understand that statement and those who don't" to see what types of responses you got 
Guys who can't break into the K-Girl scene understandably knock it. Part of it is racism, sometimes veiled, other times overt. Obviously all Asian women are trafficked, just like all black women have pimps and we all know there are no "high volume" white girls out there, only greasy Latinas, and Oriental sex slaves.
I think there seems to be more passion about K-girls than other Asian providers mainly because in So Cal at least, there are a hell of a lot more K-Girls than all the other Asian hookers put together. That is not the case where I live, Dallas has a lot more Thai providers than Korean although we have one very fine K-Girl agency that I have had the pleasure of sampling at least a few dozen times, and plenty of Thai Girl fans, you just won't find them on TER because Texas is not TER country.
Kgirl hobbyists, I am often amazed at the misinformation they have received and tend to believe because they don't yet have much first-hand experience. Oftentimes, this misinformation (most notably, the rumors of human trafficking) is being planted by Caucasian indie providers who definitely have an agenda against the Kgirls that are cutting into their business and taking more and more market share every month as Hobbyists discover the relative value and consistent service Kgirls offer as opposed to indies.
The same $500 that gets you one hour with an indie will get you two hours with a Kgirl, or one hour with two DIFFERENT Kgirls. Have a bad session with an indie and you are out the $500. Have a bad session with a Kgirl, which is more rare in the first place, and you still have the other half of your money to go find a better one. In my own experience, sessions that were not worth the money I paid to indies runs about 40%, while to Kgirls, less than 5%. This is why the first year I hobbied, I was seeing about 90% indies, but now its about 90% Kgirls. Better value, better service. Who doesn't like "better?"
In my very limited experience with Kgirls I get that same feeling of better value for the money. Not to put down non Kgirls but I think the Korean culture has a lot to do with it. Again this is based on my limited experience with Kgirls and my limited knowledge of the Korean culture.
The same $500 that gets you one hour with an indie will get you two hours with a Kgirl, or one hour with two DIFFERENT Kgirls. Have a bad session with an indie and you are out the $500. Have a bad session with a Kgirl, which is more rare in the first place, and you still have the other half of your money to go find a better one. In my own experience, sessions that were not worth the money I paid to indies runs about 40%, while to Kgirls, less than 5%. This is why the first year I hobbied, I was seeing about 90% indies, but now its about 90% Kgirls. Better value, better service. Who doesn't like "better?"
but I think that is a factor of living in places like Atlanta, Houston and Dallas over the last fifteen years or so, where I rarely if ever pay more than $300 hour for any woman, Asian, Latina, Black or White. If I were paying what has become the going rate of $500 hr in most other major cities, I would have to agree my batting average might be quite the same with Indies. My batting average with K-Girls is much the same as yours, "maybe" once out of every twenty or thirty times I find myself feeling slightly disappointed
and yes, what I attributed to racism is often not really racism at all, but white providers trying to plant seeds of doubts about Asian ladies, not out of racism per se, but out of greed. A lot of stupid white men (and black) buy into this bullshit as well, partly out of racism, mainly out of stupidity and being used to being led around by the dick by women. They would never want to piss off the old fat white woman they are paying $500 an hour to give half the session they might get from a K Girl because that's how they have been trained to think.
Now the guys who can't stomach "their hooker" seeing multiple guys a day, it's no fairy tale that the K Girls are by anybody's standards "high volume" I suppose that is a legitimate criticism if that kind of thing bothers you. As a "high volume" guy, I would find it rather hypocritical for me to complain that a hooker is seeing multiple men in a day when it wasn't all that long ago that is was rather common for me to see four or even five women in a day. That whole pot/kettle thing comes to mind in my case. lol
GaG is right: it is foolish to criticize the K-girls for being high volume providers, but I think the reason is founded not in racism so much as an emotional immaturity. The critics of high volume providers are letting their emotions cloud their analysis. So what if a K-girl -- or any other race of provider -- is seeing a lot of guys every day. They are in this business to make money, and if they choose to increase their earnings by lowering price to achieve volume, that is their decision. Where the criticism comes from, I believe, is an immature fantasy emotional response that somehow the high volume aspect of a provider cheapens the connection for the hobbyist.
This, of course, is absurd. There can be a connection -- fun, fantasy of course -- but there is no real connection (ok, if you see an ATF regularly and feelings arise, there can be; I do not doubt that some hobbyists develop real affection for some of their providers, and I do not disparage or discount those feeling) on a one-shot visit. Thus, the absurdity of feeling that it is somehow cheapened because the girl may have seen 2, 3 or 4 guys before you that day, and may see a couple more after, is apparent.
As long as the performance is good, the girl is not exhausted, the sheets are clean, the attitude is welcoming and sexy, the girl's day before and after you should not be any concern of yours.
...morning so they can be the first customer of the day. And this comes even from the most ardent of the K-devotees (See, I didn't even say K-fanboys).
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The few, the proud, the... oh wait.
Come after the light has dimmed and the makeup smeared. Smell the stench coming from down under; taste the putrid that left unwashed on ears and the neck; go hard and leave nothing behind. If you can stay long and strong, usually you can go overclock with an ATF for half an hour, sometimes even more. Occasionally, special requests like COF can be done at minimum to no cost. I think some hobbyist even go out with the gals afterwards, good times.
At age 55, I prefer mornings as much to insure that I am at my best as well as the girls. I will not disagree that for many of our Kgirls, especially the ones north of 35, there is a noticeable drop off in stamina as well as responsiveness by around 8:00p, but as another poster points out, many girls will make that up to you in the from of overtime when they are near the end of their shift. With some girls, the last appointment feels a little more connected and GFE with more DFK and cuddling. It just depends what you priorities are.
I am one K-devotees who always goes first thing in the morning.
I'm sure that, just like any job, the energy level and not being worn
out from a long day's work works in my favor. Just think how anyone
feels who started work at 9 in the morning which, includes preparation
and transportation, and has to perform at a high level at 9 at night.
It just ain't gonna happen.
I want the best that I can get and I make my appointments accordingly.
If a prostitute sees over a dozen customers a day, I don't expect her to be clean. I can't imagine spending time with a tart who just finished with a customer and not fully cleaned up for the next.
like this, you are emphasizing your ignorance. Nobody sees a dozen customers a day. Eight or nine is considered a full schedule, five or six is a slow day. The real reason YOU don't expect a Kgirl to be clean is because you have never seen one yourself, so you are just speculating, or else you would understand how asinine your statement is. The standard time between customers to "clean up" is 30 minutes, sometimes longer. Most get a meal break sometime during the day of at least an hour. Your uninformed attitude embodies all of the absurdities so succinctly outlined by Captain Renault in this thread, one of our long-standing Kgirl veterans. In fact, I would nominate you as the poster boy for ignorance. It just might be unanimous.
....to be a pundit of debauchery. I was simply expressing my own sentiment as a person who ventures in this activity now and then, but not live exclusively in the world of debauchery. I understand that you know the frequency so precisely that 9 is normal, but 12 is high because you spend the majority of your life indulging in this activity. Good for you that you are a King of debauchery. I don't ever aim to reach your fame. All I expressed was that I wouldn't feel comfortable seeing a woman who sees so many customers that she can't be as clean I would like a lady to be.
I never claimed to be knowledgeable.
King of debauchery? Sounds like a personal attack. I haven't had one of these in awhile so I'm not sure I remember how to respond. In the spirit of a kindler, gentler me, I will give you a pass this one time because you're new and obviously ignorant about the subject of your posts.
I will point out that personal attacks are the last gasp of someone losing a substantive argument, so I take you are conceding that your opinion about Kgirls is pure speculation and you have never seen one yourself?
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Ignoring the ad hominem aspect -- rightfully pointed out -- I think he conceded it was merely a statement of personal preference about cleanliness. However it's also clear that his position is a phobia as he no clue just how clean the "low volume" provider might be and it's not just about during business activities. When she as a few days off or in her civi role just how much personal hygiene does she practice?
Regardless of his frequency of participation in this world he really needs to think about checking his assumption at the door and start considering some realities -- one being that volume alone has nothing to do with hygiene really and may even have a positive correlation.
I never claimed to be knowledgeable.
Cheers,
BD
I agree, it's not like this is the first post where he comes across as a jerk. But standard time between appointments in LA for a lot of girls is 15 minutes, but many sessions end with a joint shower so that extends clean up. I know if I don't get the 11 am appointment, then next available might be 1215 or 1:30.
I agree, sometimes I have had starting times at xx;15 or xx:45 as well. If someone had only a half hour session earlier, then many times they will only take a 15 minutes break in between, but as you say, two showers a session is going to make them pretty clean.
and slippery skin you feel when you arrive is the moisturizing lotion they put on right after the guy before you left. They work really hard to keep their skin in decent condition from all the showering, so you are not far off, even though you meant it in jest.
My problem is the lotion smell sometimes reminds me of my late grandmother's perfume, and I lose wood for a few minutes thinking about her instead of the Kgirl.
It's not about half hour sessions. Not when some don't do half hour and not when standard times for the for the first few sessions are 11:00, 12:15 and 1:30. A few in LA start at 10
Don't know about others' experience here but not only is then end with a joint shower common (and actually part of the experience in my view -- I like having a beautiful woman bath me; more sensual and sexual actually) but in all but one or two case one's I been cleaned I'm shown out of the tube to give the girl some privacy to finish her shower routine. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that should I pass on the shower that she is not in there 2 seconds after the door closes behind me.
bathe you is always more sensual than having a man do it.
The whys on the P side are more understandable. As expressed by some, you are just appreciative and enthusiastic on the values the Kgirls provide. The high volume thing may bother some, who choose early apptmts. For others, no big deal.
The whys on the C side are more complex. Gambler proposed two hypotheses: racism & sour grape. I think racism is unlikely coz they can just as well trash the Cgirls, Jigrls and Vgirls. There are many such girls in SG Valley & OC. I think the sour grape idea is very believable. It’s exactly like those guys who were BL by K bookers and wrote fake damning reviews on AF. As for Lion’s idea of business rivalry from indies, does it imply that some guys are serving as agents to do the indies’ bidding here?
The high volume debate is a kind of foolish distraction (as Captain pointed out). If the C side doesn't like it, just ignore Kgirls. Why the need to trash them?
When you're the biggest and the best there is always someone
who wants to tear you down. Right now the Kgirls are in that
category in L.A. and probably NoCal as well. Very few K,C,T and V girls
in comparison so why would the naysayers bother to attack them?
It's just a matter of their success that brings out the hate in the haters.
If any of those other ethnicities were as successful they would be the
brunt of the attacks. Now why are they so successful? They have figured
out the formula for success. I've seen C and T girls and what you
receive in quality,service and ambience rarely compares to what you
get from virtually all of the Kgirls. Once in a while you may be disappointed
but not very often. There is your reason for the P and C in a nutshell.
Few months ago, a Kgirl told me that their agency had 2 new girls who had to return to Korea due to "low" business. I asked what low meant. She said they could only get 2 to 3 bookings a day. So, there is cure for HVA, High Volume Allergy, book the new arrivals before they become popular. 
Is 2.5 the break even threshold?
I'm in the DC / Northern Virginia area and I'm guessing that the volume traffic must be less than the west coast. I've had oh, probably 25 K-dates and 10 Thai dates in the last 14 months or so, and with 1 exception I've never gotten the impression that the girls are all that busy.
**Every time** (see below for the one exception) I've texted in the morning for a date later that day, I've received my requested time. I've never been told "oh, that's not available," or "could you make it an hour later" or whatever. I've never felt rushed on a date and I've never gotten to the incall with the feeling of anyone having just left. I've never seen towels on the floor or rumpled sheets, or a girl with less than true GFE attitude.
Either I'm the luckiest bastard in NOVA, or these girls aren't booked solid day after day with only 15 minute breaks.
And the poster that mentioned that K-girls must not be clean, has obviously never seen a K-girl.
(The one exception was when I asked for a 3:00 date, I was requested to come at 3:20. Kindof an odd time, 3:20, so I reckon I was being shoehorned in between two other guys. But you know what? The girl was clean and energetic and GFE and I had a great time.)
There are a few and that's a very few who get booked up
almost immediately and that includes pre booking. For the
most part there is always an availability some time during the
day if you call that morning. Even girls like Suri and LK when
she was here would have some hours available for same day
booking. I don't usually book for the same day but when I have
I've rarely been turned away. It's not as busy as some would think.
But you should also consider that, as a veteran, you may be getting some priority from some of the bookers. Many times, established vets will get the time they want and a booker "bumps" another guy to a different time without ever telling you.
I've had better luck in other cities as well. I always thought in some of these cities, the volume might be lower because the rate was $300 rather than the $250/$260 in LA?OC/SD where I normally hobby with Kgirls. But same with me, its been easier to get the times I request when on the road in other cities.
I agree the DC area does seem to get some decent girls and they are not really over booked. Too many times I've made appointments on short notice and gotten the appointment. I can really only think of two cases where the girls were so booked advance reservations was a mandatory situation and even then not a certainty (unless you are top tier -- which rules me out).
That does still leave the whole question of what each person tolerance is for putting some number of the daily visit before it's too high a volume for their delicate psychology. (Not meant to offend, just laugh
My prime window of opportunity is after work; rare is the time I can snag a first appointment. I never even think about where I fall in the line-up. The door opens, there stands a beautiful, sexy lady in her underwear, she smells great; why would I want to poison the atmosphere thinking about you guys? If I thought like that I never would have had the pleasure of the company of any of these beautiful ladies, and that would be ALOT of fun to miss.
Cheers,
BD
Many girls don't make it in LA, but they don't return to Korea, either. They go to other cities where the competition and standards for performance are not as high as in LA. I know a couple of second-tier Kgirls that couldn't stay busy enough in LA, but started touring to Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Atlanta, and did much better than they were doing in LA.
However, some DO leave within a few weeks, and it is because they just can't handle the Kgirl life. Had a regular that was listening to her roommate cry every night because she hated the biz, until she went back to Korea after a about three weeks. The org owner was pissed because they had an unplanned vacancy not generating revenue until they could get a replacement girl.
I've actually seen girls leave after one or two days.
Some don't really understand what the job is like
until they are actually faced with some older, fat
and unattractive guy who walks in the the room and
expects sex in every way, shape and form.
Probably freaks some of them out. Until that happens
they probably think it will be something like going on
a date and ending the evening getting laid.
I also heard that some girls are not told about CIM when they are recruited, and that also freaks some out to the point they want to leave. A few ex-salon girls told me CIM is rare for working girls in Korea, and many don't like it, but fortunately for us, others get used to it once they are here.
I love K-girls. That being said, in regards to your regular listening to her roommate cry every night, brings me to this thought:
I once read about Korean college girls trafficked to pay off great debts from getting credit cards and such at home. Basically the story line was the poorer Korean college girl would often be snubbed by the wealthier college kids. But once they heard about all sorts of credit they could get they'd go out and spend on clothes and things to "raise their class". In the end, they would choose to become a K-girl, to pay off the debt. Basically being trafficked.
This does bother me, as I don't wish to see any gals that don't choose to be in this business. While we can say the chose to do this to pay off the debt, it's out of shame (or maybe threats) they chose to do it. And once here, is their passport confiscated? If so, that's trafficking imo.
I will say however, that I have never seen a K-girl that gave any inkling she wasn't their by choice. In other words, my "read" on them (to use a poker term), was with the cheerfulness and welcoming, smiles, and chatting, they didn't appear to be unhappy there. On more than one occasion, the in bed performances were so enthusiastic, so responsive, that if they did not want to be there, and were there by force, they deserved an oscar for the performance.
But, I do wonder sometimes.
think about this. for around 250 you have kgirls (equal to hotter then US non kgirls charging thousands) who tongue DFK, let you cum in their mouth, do snowballing, rimming, suck on their pussy. these services are not common in korea. these girls are only doing this for the US market due to the money they can earn. In korea usual kgirl services is just lay there, don't kiss, or rim etc, and pretty much non existant GFE. you think the kgirls like DFKing you and exchanging spit, or getting your cum in their mouth, because you guys are so hot?
ok..you can argue seeing 7-9 guys a day can affect hygiene but if some low volume nonkgirl don't wash themselves whats the difference. pretty much all kgirls wash and clean themselves really clean. you think they like having different guys slimy spit or leftover cum on their body?
you guys don't know how good you guys are getting in US at such a low price. too spoiled.
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well said man. the fact we can get bbbjs at this rate is incredible. long live the Kgirls!
Amen to that brother! Too many pussie ass dudes out here. I could care less if my appoinment is in the morning, afternoon, or night. As long as they provide to the best of their ability I'm fine with the fact that they see so many dudes. What? Are some of these guy's falling in love out here and getting upset cause they get dicked down by so many guys? Happy Hunting everyone!
-RVLove
I was thinking she might say something like "first thing in the morning so you can be my first" but I was surprised when she told me instead "come in the early afternoon when we are slow, we won't have to rush and I am usually at my best each day after I've seen a couple of customers to "warm up"" lmao
Some women, just like some guys, simply have a higher sex drive than others.
There is no rule of thumb. Hose once said just about the same thing
to me. She said she's usually tired in the morning and has more
energy about 2PM. YMMV.
she didn't just tell you that so that you wouldn't take the morning time of the guy she liked better than you? Lol
Because I was her early morning regular and she seemed
to have plenty of energy for me.
but unless her "favorite" was coming to see her every single day, I kind of doubt it.
Besides, the only way I am ever going to be some girls "morning guy" is if she either comes to see me, and crawls in bed with me before I get up, or if she plans on still being there from the night before.
It's not a matter of getting upset by how many dicks they can take. I wouldn't
write reviews if that were the case.
It's a matter of having someone who's fresh and ready to start their day with energy and
enthusiasm and not exhausted from a hard days work. It's the same in
any business.
-RVLove
I agree, I was aiming towards the ones that have an issue with the whole high volume thing. All times have they're pros and cons.