So the other day I schedule with one of the girls I like. She's in a complex I've never been to before. It's a late night appointment. Everything is fine. Until...
About four hours before, PO lets me know that the gate is broken and tells me to come earlier so I can follow someone into the garage. Props to the PO for letting me know right away and not last minute.
Now, I normally hate doing these makeshift entrances, ie hopping fences, waiting for some to use entrance so I can walk behind them.
If the po tells me this when I arrive, I typically say no thanks. As someone who is dressed "urbanly" looks young tall has facial hair and a hat that covers most of my face, I am very wary about any actions that could be considered as trespassing by the complex security. And late night I stick out like a sore thumb.
But what the hell, mistake number one by me - thinking with my dick. I think, hey I like this girl a lot and I do have some extra prep time before so ok, fine. How hard can it be. I scope out the location on Google maps, looks manageable
Well. I arrive and it's kinda of a shit show. The garage is right on the corner and just off the street. I can't really double park there on that side and wait for someone. So I flip a bitch, and stand about a third of a block off with hazards on, ready to make a dedicated left into the garage whenever someone comes by. This is late night so not a lot of cars are coming in. Time passes by and I'm getting a bit worried because of lack of cars. Suddenly one comes in quickly, going fast and pulls into the garage. I immediately jet and get into the left lane and try to get behind the car.Anyone who watched the street I think it was obvious what I was doing. The car is very quick through the gate and yet I think it sees me pulling up fast behind it and it stalls almost deliberately. As a result when I get to the gate I see the gate closing rapidly. Have to make a split second decision. I see the "one car at a time, we are not responsible for the damages" sign, see the rapidly closing hole and say fuck it. I guess I was determined to penetrate that night.
I floor the gas pedal and with engine roaring, barely... by the tiniest hair... I avoid a hit from the gate and make it through.
Holy hell batman. What an experience. As I park, look at the shitty cell signal and take a puff from my vape pen to calm my nerves I think to myself. Never again. Never fucking again. I go see escorts to have fun and calm my nerves, not the other way around.
Have others experienced makeshift entrances late night? How nerve wrecking were they?
Short answer: no.
I’m an early appointment guy. 10:00 AM. I hate the situations when code doesn’t work and it’s suggested I follow someone in. Hate it. It has happened to me a few times and I was not given the heads up before arriving. Hate it.
I admire your guts running the gate.
Gate and code malfunction reflects poorly on the K-org. I feel bad for the Kgirl because they have no control over the situation.
Once a Booker directed me not to the wrong location, but instructed me to knock on door. When a guy opened the door, I’m not too sure who was more shocked. Me, seeing some old gray fat guy. Or the guy seeing another guy all smiles in anticipation of seeing a hot Kgirl.
Booker apologized multiple times. I laughed it off but it taught me to have a plan B ready if plan A fails.
He's the Man because of this post, where he was inches away from a major FUCK UP?
Or are you patting him on the back for other more deserving posts?
I'm just wondering, badger, what would you do in my situation?
I mean, aside from politely telling the booker that I don't want to engage with trying to find a way to piggyback into a building?
The garage door didn't have an opening for a pedestrian to walk through. You either walk behind the car - which imo looks even worse as you'll just be loitering near garage and then basically have to run down into a garage behind a car - or drive behind the car.
asking R550, "why he thought you were the man"!
I wasn't getting down on you.
But to answer you, I would never take that advice from a Booker or anybody else with instructions to sneak in/piggyback behind someone in a car.
At least, the way I see it, walking in behind a car you won't rear end or smash into the gate/arm and open up that can 'o' worms!
If they won't send down the Kgirl or let me get in any way on my own, I would chalk it up to a wasted trip, give them the dough, if they ask for it, so I don't have to hear them sniveling about it!
I guess basically I don't want any drama or hassles, that can spill over for future visits.
Just FYI - some fellow mongers who refused to go in and wanted to reschedule - were subsequently Bld. Not saying it happens all the time, but definitely has happened before.
Bld for refusing to act strange/suspicious when PO failed to provide an alternative safe entry.
Maybe it's also about how you work with them. I've never been the one to suggest the reschedule -- the booker has always been the one to finally conclude they are unable to provide access into the complex so have not lived up to their agreement. You don't have to say "I'm not going to act..." or "I'm not going to do X.". You can just say, using your example, "No one is going in for me to follow." Or "I've tried to follow someone but it's not possilbe -- if I am really close they block me from not coding in and if I leave a space so they are gone the gate is closing too fast. What is an alternative?"
Not saying that no one saying they want a rescheduled appointment never gets poor service. Just saying how I deal with the situation and that it's just never been that big a deal -- annoying during the time but yes but other than having a good story to tell it's just never built up into some type of problem and confrontational situation between me and a booker.
So if there IS someone you can follow in but you simply don't want to because it would get your blood pressure up and youd look suspicious and might get reported to the complex security.... your suggestion is.... lying? Maybe I did not understand you correctly but it certainly reads like this to me.
Why does a monger have to lie instead of telling the truth, all to keep up some good relationship? This makes zero sense to me.
If this is a two way relationship, a po should be able to understand reluctance of someone who is standing out like a sore thumb, at night, to follow someone in. No? Certainly you seem to understand the reluctance. Why can't a PO?
If a monger has to make up a lie to avoid a po's wrath in a situation that is no fault of the monger, what does that say about your relationship and what does it say about the po?
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No. As usual you DON'T get me right and just use your bias filters to make shit up to argue against. TFATTT.
Hold on, what exactly did I make up?
You made an advise, I interpreted it the way I have, and even said I might have misinterpreted it. What exactly did I make up?
Here's your advise of framing things in a certain way:
"You don't have to say "I'm not going to act..." or "I'm not going to do X.". You can just say, using your example, "No one is going in for me to follow." Or "I've tried to follow someone but it's not possilbe -- if I am really close they block me from not coding in and if I leave a space so they are gone the gate is closing too fast. What is an alternative?"
"
I don't get why anyone has to frame this situation in a way that isn't true. There IS someone to go in but I don't want to risk my safety. So yes I'm gonna say "I'm not going to do x" instead of some "you see the circumstances are.." bs. And I'll make sure to let them know it's their fault. Because it is. Pointing out failure of one side when they fail shouldn't be grounds for any retaliatory actions.
It's their fault for providing nonsafe entry and only their fault as far as our two way biz goes.
So why do I have spend even a second of my time to construct and frame my point in order to be less confrontational and also say untrue statements ? I didn't pay to sit here with po and think of alternative routes. That's not my job. That's their job. I get paid to solve problems at work. This isn't my work. I pay THEM to solve these problems.
It's very simple. Only ONE side is responsible for safe entry in this biz. And when there is no safe entry, only one side is responsible for it. And that side is whoever is at the incall. In this case, not the client.
And to me it's IMPERATIVE that side that is responsible for safe entry acknowledges and assumes their responsibility and accountability for failing to provide a safe entry.
There is no "oh let's brainstorm this shit together".
I know for sure if the roles were reversed and if it was the escort who was out for an outcall and I'd tell her to walk or drive behind someone, I'd get cussed out and walked on ASAP.
And who'd blame her? This is my problem I couldn't get her in in a safe manner. Not hers.
So yes, I don't understand why you advise to frame "Im not going to" - which is a true statement - as "I can't" - which is an untrue statement.
I COULD say ok - I'll follow someone but if I get stopped by security I'm going to spill the beans. But guess what? No PO likes that and it sounds like a threаt.
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You say one thing - I criticize your argument and then you will claim I'm myopic/biased and making up shit. Oh and "too argumentative to talk to" - seems to be a favorite of yours.
This happens suspiciously every time when you're put you in a position where you would have to criticize po. Something you haven't been able to do publicly yet.
One more time, in this thread most if not all people have agreed that asking to follow someone in is not a good thing and does not appear safe.
Why in the world can't we initiate rescheduling then and have to wait for the other side to reschedule? Why do we have to fucking explain WHY we think following someone in is not safe or secure and raises suspicion?
Why? The truth is on the client side. Why do we have to do anything besides say that by definition following someone in is not a safe procedure, hence I want to reschedule?
Why do we have to wait for the po to conclude themselves that they breached the contract if the very ask of following someone is such a breach? Is the po stupid or power hungry? Of course, you're never going to answer this question.
I'm going to make a thread in Gen pop asking providers what would they do in similar situation in the case of an outcall.
I wonder if providers will wait for clients to conclude that the outcall entry is unsafe and then clients will reschedule. We will find out. And I - as usual - will be very interested in double standards.
Parked?, or double parked?, with the hazards on!
You barely got your car in under the gate, that's an inch away from a BIG fuckin' mess!
At least you didn't draw attention to yourself^^!
So, why not park on the street and walk in behind someone at a door, or a vehicle at the garage entrance?
Oh wait, why not have the girl come and open the door? Too easy?
To answer your question, I'm sure most of the guys have had fucked up doors, keypads and elevators.
On another thread I talked about reconning exits and stairways, before the session, when it's possible, and on the way out.
You can add parking in the area to that too.
But the go to should always be, have the girl let you in!
I am really surprised you did that, unbelievable Rocket!
Maybe you guys in LA get to choose your way of entry but here we are at POs mercy. They tell us what to do. One time because of a broken elevator I was sent to walk twice around the building (as in, outside around the block) at 1am until po figured it out and someone opened a keypad door from within. Probably the girl.
Whats interesting - a girl never have directly opened the door/gate for me ever. I've had a girl walk me out after but not the other way around.
Some orgs you have to dip into a garage to go through an unlocked door. This also looks sketch as hell during nighttime. But not as bad as walking behind someone at night. Imo that's the worst during the night.... unless it's a popular complex and there's people constantly near the front entrance, food delivery, rideshare clients etc. Then you can kind of time it but I rally dislike the whole concept. It makes people suspicious.
To answer your question. I was indeed double parked with hazards on.
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for me is, "What were you thinking?" If you hit the guy's car, and as you say, you don't look like the typical resident that lives there, what are you going to say your reason for being there in the first place is if the guy decides he wants a police report about the accident? I gotta go with badger on this one. Way too much risk in being reckless in any way at a Kgirl incall, especially when the evidence would suggest that you were trying to force your way into the garage because you don't have a transponder. I can't think of a single thing you could say that would not qualify to be used against you as an "admission against interest." Even if you say nothing and ask for your attorney, you'll be taking a ride downtown with the officer. And all because you couldn't control yourself once you were close enough to smell the pussy. Lol
I was never close to hitting the guys car.
I was close to the gate (sideways one) hitting MY car
And yes, like I've said, never again am I doing the whole "follow someone in" bullshit
follow the Bookers instructions.
They have had me go from bldg 2, the incall, to bldg 1 to get in the complex.
Last few weeks the elevator was out and had to use stairwells.
But I know my way around from exit exploring!
All this is kind of funny, because Bookers always say to be cool and look inconspicuous, but IMO, it all falls apart when the keypads don't work, locked doors that are supposed to be unlocked, broken elevators and messed up codes come into play!
So, there are enough to things to go wrong, without adding something that could bring the cops, on site manager or some pushy neighbor sticking his nose into the situation!
Bookers do not always say be cool and look inconspicuous. It's customers on discussion boards that say it. The most I've ever seen of a booker "saying" (I haven't talked to one in years, only text) anything remotely related to safety is if they go to the trouble of posting such information on their website (seems to me the majority do not), or they text "Don't Knock the Door" when they send you the code. It's a few guys on this and other boards that often harp about not hanging around the front door, not looking at your phone (because of course only a hobbyist would be looking at their phone), don't accept a bottle of water (nobody drinks water except hobbyists, especially from one of those mini bottles that companies make specifically for their K-girl distributors). The facts are that bookers supply the water bottles, tell guys to piggyback when someone else opens the door, or walk/drive through garage gate when opened by others. Not to mention who knows how many girls set up in any particular building with multiple guys arriving like clockwork at 10:00 or 11:00, or 12:15 and so on throughout the day. Rocket may go overboard on his rants about bookers, but guys that don't have enough self-control to ignore his posts (and I don't mean by putting him on ignore) also go overboard in defending bookers when they argue with Rocket.
I'm arguing with Rocket?
I'm saying bookers aren't the ones telling guys to be cool, it's users on the board. I didn't say you were arguing with Rocket, i said guys. Not suggesting you're not a guy, but not suggesting you're arguing with him now.
a lot what is said on the boards.
I also know what bookers have said/texted to me.
Granted, it was a while back, and I had just started using those Bookers.
I also don't take board, or any talk/texts from someone and attribute it to someone else.
When I post it's something I have done, said or heard directly.
If not, then I clarify it so there is, hopefully, no misunderstanding.
New York City isn't LA! VERY different. A lot of the KMPs were (still are?) in commercial buildings so the buzzers, doors and elevators were usually working and reliable. On the ground (street) level are retail shops with big windows and wide doors (E.g., "Bob's Buttons" in the garment district - every button any garment / fashion company could ever need). Between the shops are single, nondescript unmarked doors with an intercom / buzzer to gain entrance into an elevator lobby.
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On one late evening occasion -- I wasn't there to shop for buttons at 9PM! -- there were some young guys hanging around in front of the intercom / door I wanted to use. I walk up and down the block a few times, waiting for them to finish their smokes and move away, but that doesn't happen. I call the phone girl and say, "I'm here, but there are some guys hanging around the front door and I don't want any hassle." "Don't worry! They work for us! They are security! They won't give you any problem." And it was smooth, friendly sailing from there.
... At least you didn't draw attention to yourself^^!
... So, why not park on the street and walk in behind someone at a door, or a vehicle at the garage entrance?
Oh wait, why not have the girl come and open the door? Too easy?
I had a front door malfunction and was instructed to enter through the garage once. I parked the car and loitered near the garage entrance before hustling in behind a car. I tried to wait for the car to get into the place before moving in just before the gate cut me off. The driver probably would have seen me if he was looking in the mirror, but I tried to look like I was a regular returning from a walk. I’m not much of an actor though. Things worked fine and I was on time!
...and (thankfully) I have never been put into a position like that. TBH if given that kind of instruction, even with time to spare, I would have driven away and never used that booker again. I balk at visiting escorts in hotels that need a key card, lol. Visiting kgirls in and of itself is risk enough for me, without adding an additional thrill ride aspect to it 😁
I was reading the San Diego board elsewhere and it seems like a common issue among orgs there. People sharing tips on lockpicking and fence hopping and following behind people and stuff.
Although rgh seems to know where I'm coming from and seems like it happened to him a few times too.
it happens all the time, I mentioned a few things that have gone wrong.
The few buildings that I know of that have customer parking, the gates are controlled by the girls or maybe even the Booker, or you are given a gate code.
Getting the code has worked very smooth. You text you have arrived, not parked, I am up the street (no hazards^^), they send the code and space number, and you drive up, put in the code and enter.
Almost like you live there.
So, when it's good, it's real good!
But when it's fucked up it's real fucked up!!
How does being TALL and, in a hoodie, and urban dressed make you more suspicious or intimidating?
Add young to that too, I'm sure there are plenty of older felons on the prowl.
I've known plenty of dangerous characters under 5'9"!
I don't think they are actually picking locks with picks.
Maybe just slipping a latch when there is space between the door and frame.
I read some of the chatter about San Diego, it's amazing what they're being told to do to enter a building.
Makes me happy to be an L.A. Monger!
When I was a young guy, I climb a tree to get to an apartment window on the second floor to bang a girl who didn’t want to get out of bed to let me the main door. I could have fallen, died, gotten arrested…but I got inside her apartment and fucked her silly.
So, Badger, Rocket could have really fucked up but he got lucky. He must be young. A young guy!!!
he got lucky!
But I believe he is in his 30's.
Yeah, it's little things like this that make it hard to use some agencies, unless I know a girl is only available there.
I know the layout of some places so I actually park and follow a car in on foot, since there is elevator access after the gate. If asked, I'll say I helped a friend move out yesterday but dropped my wallet. So my friend isn't there to let me in, and I just want to "look around" and maybe their "roommate" will let me in to check there. Since I'm dressed low key nobody would question me.
Most of the time it's easy. But, it's an unnecessary stress.
I have heard of Uber, and I am a frequent user of Uber and Lyft and some other rideshares.
I even remember using RideAustin in Austin when they had Uber and Lyft banned for a brief period of time. Around 7 years ago or so.
But what does any of this have to do with my topic?
Do you think an Uber driver would follow someone through like I have? Lol.
The issue wasn't being on car versus being on foot. The issue was a dangerous and suspicious entry via garage, which cannot be accessed by foot or car without following a car in.
Do I really have to explain it? If you don't have a car, you don't enter through the garage. You use the main entrance to the building. There is no way to potentially damage your car if you don't bring your car.
These days, I only go to one location and entry/parking issues are a big reason why. It would take someone very special to get me to go to one of the other places. I have been to most of the other locations in town at some point and it just isn't worth the added time and potential stress anymore.
I got lucky at my first time to a new place last year where there was no code to enter, even tho PO gave me a code, but luckily a resident was driving up and opened the gate and didnt seem to mind or notice me following behind. I wasn't waiting for anyone tho, i just circled the block and luckily I got behind a guy heading in. Really wanted to see that girl again but not w/that gate issue, no thanks.
Today the guy ahead of me was having issues. So near top of the hour I was behind him at the gate, he entered code a few times and it wouldnt open so he scoots up a bit. I thought he was going to make the turn and leave, but he just waited for me to enter code. It was an old man so he doesnt look like criminal to me hah. We got through gate and he goes towards my building I went other way just being paranoid i guess. We both went in a full circle, dont think he noticed me, and then saw him park near my building. Don't think he saw or notice me as i watched him trying to enter a code again this time for the building. First time here weird code to get your car into the area, then again to get in the building. His code not working again and he ran towards a young lady walking towards building who would open the door for him. Maybe that was his daughter and he's not a monger who knows. When i finished my session his car was gone already if that means anything.