I have seen and read much about transgender identities that are very mixed up and hard to understand. When we talk gay in this situation you are talking about the hobbiest and his preference of choice. For many TS's pre and post op they do feel like they are a women so I don't consider them gay. They are stuck in a body they no longer if ever identified with. Very tough to understand.

For the hobbiest bi might be a better way of putting it just like women who like both sexes. It's a real turn on for a women to be bi but many straight males look down on men who venture in this direction.

Not all that have had a sex change will openly advertise this.  

Kisses Haley

I know I do not post a lot on here…I am a long-timer on this board, but had to ask this because I figure the best answers will come from the group.

I was listening to a comedian the other day and he had a great monologue about what is considered a gay act.

His story was about how guys transfer themselves into woman.  You have your TS Post-Op's that are out there.  Where do you draw the line on being with someone like that?  What is considered a gay act?

So I propose this question to all and will be curious to what you all say.

1.  Is it gay to be with someone that got breast implants, but still has a penis?
2.  Is it gay to be with someone that got breast implants, had the surgery to remove their penis and have had reconstructive surgery to create a vagina and took hormones?

On a side note it was a funny monologue that this guy did.  My answer is # 1 is yes…it is still a gay act, but question # 2 I am stumped on.

If you are sexually aroused by a person who has the same number of chromosome's than .......
I get confused that guys call these transexuals " women ". Read the reviews, most all of them use that term . Sorry, but they were born male and no matter what, on a genetic level they are, and always will be a guy .
Oh well ,they don't affect my ( or others ) life, liberty ,or pursuit of happiness so drive on !

I will take it a step further & mention that MANY transsexuals
are MORE feminine & "womanly" than many  physically genetic women.

With plastic surgery & technology what it is today...
I would imagine that a man made vagina has as much "real appeal"
as fake breasts.

I enjoy sucking cock. I am not attracted to men, and I like pussy 10x better than cock. I participate in a sex act that is "labeled" gay, but I am not gay.

I do not top or bottom.

So to answer your questions directly, even sucking dick on a full-on manly man who is not a TS or even close, does not, in my opinion, make a person gay.

That's just my personal POV.

Haley:

I will also add that with my experience in the lifestyle, on most lifestyle sites men list themselves as "straight" in their profile, but in almost ALL of the cases the men who've been with us who are listed as straight actually enjoy receiving/giving oral to another male.

I list myself as "Bi". It makes me wonder if all of these guys are ashamed to admit that they enjoy a "gay" act, or if they pull more interest listing themselves as straight.

Your NOT attracted to men .
No top or bottom .
I agree then .............according to my above listed definition .... NOPE , your not gay .

I have never heard this !!!
I LOVE learning something NEW !!!!

So then I have to ask .............You enjoy , giving oral to men - I get that .

During that specific " act ", it is in NO WAY sexually driven ? Really ?

I'm GUESSING then it is a joy like giving someone a KILLER present for christmas ?
I LOVE helping and giving to people, and get a euphoria from it that is not in one way sexual in nature.

Seriously,you are fucking with my mind and teaching me something I did NOT know !!!

To the OP, I would say it is a "gay or bi ACT" if you were to have relations with someone who has a penis.  This does not necessarily mean you are gay or bi.

A TS is a person who was born in the wrong body and I believe it you have relations with her, it is NOT a "gay or bi ACT".

Faxinator's post is a little different.  Yes, sucking cock is considered a "gay or bi ACT", however, does NOT mean he is gay or bi.

So, there ya have it, Folks!  My POV!  (I know, I know... Just what you were waiting for! LOL)

Hugs,   Tarah  xoxo

and she's the one that counts.

"Us" meaning almost all of the men who have been with me and my wife. Almost all of the men who have been with my wife and I list themselves as "straight" but in reality go for cock sucking.

They disagree too, and think you're just scrumptious!

I think my wife and I sucked the hardhat guy's cock last week.

No, I don't wear makeup. I would look more ridiculous in makeup than I do with a dick in my mouth.

"in almost ALL of the cases the men who've been with us"

The quote is from your thread above. You said "us". Are you a TS too? Come on....You can come out of the closet. You already have one foot out.

"And bisexuals, there is no such thing. Let me clear that up right now. You either suck dick or you do not suck dick. What do these guys do? Get up in the morning and flip a coin to decide? 'Heads, I want hairpie. Tails, balls across the nose.'"

I am not really making fun of you, it just seems that way. If you want to suck cock and wear a dress you can. Just spare us the visuals please.  

I am sure that you wife's opinion is more important then an anonymous fuck board poster is. I won't argue with her.

When I was younger, I never would have considered giving (or receiving) oral from another man. When my wife and I got into the lifestyle (swinging) years ago, she wanted to see it. I tried to satisfy her desires initially by performing oral on a lifelike dildo, but that didn't do it for her. She wanted to see me PLEASURING another man.

So I did it for her.

When I did, I discovered that I liked it. The part that I liked about it was making another person feel good. Not a man, not a woman, just another person. I've been told I'm good at it. Not because I practiced it, but because of the intent I have behind it -- to make someone feel euphoric (to use your word).

Yes, it is a personal joy, doubly so. I make the recipient feel good, and my wife feel good, since she gets to see it. Like, as you say, giving someone a killer present.

And in case you are wondering, yes, I do BBBJ but no, I don't allow CIM.

Draw your own line and walk straight.

Wow...what a response.

Thank you for everyone's input.

My conclusion on this is that if some transforms from being a man to being a woman and they do the surgery and do all the hormones, etc...Then obviously they were born a woman in a man's body.  To be with someone like that is not gay nor is it bi.

On the same topic if you are with a TS and she still has a dick then to me that is gay.

Now for the back-and-forth between Elle and Wildthing...I did not mean to have you all start up, but I am going to give my 2 cents on this.

As for Elle, I think you are beautiful and Wildthing you are not.

Wildthing, I have never meet you, but I can only go off of what I see on her as well the pictures that you take.  One little thing I would say is that you have tons of pictures on here and your site and what a turn-off it is to a guy to see you posing in a picture and on your messing desk with a pack of cigarettes.  Take a minute and clean up before you snap the picture.  Not a tasteful photo at all.  

You look at girls like Gabby and Elle on her ( I only mention them because you did) ...there photos are classy and they fit the bill.  Each picture I see of them is tastefully done and makes me want to see them. I have not had the pleasure of meeting these girls, but they are on my short list and I plan on meeting with them sooner than later.

A lot of the girls that I have spoken to recently is saying that business is down...no one is spending the money, everyone is on vacation, etc.

To you all I say stay classy and those that are worth it...i.e. Gabby and Elle you are the ones I will spend the money on.  As for Wildthing...unless you change your image and attitude you will not see a lot of guys...and for God's sake please take some classy pictures.  No one wants to see your messy place not do we want to see your open pack of smokes on your desk.

I am glad you know what you want... & I'm glad it's not me.

I am leaving this thread alone after this post.



Elle Vegas posted a classLESS attack on me today
& I'm glad I quoted it before she changed it.



I want to say to anyone still reading this thread that...
all I want is to carry on posting the way I have been
since I started participating here on TER & be left alone
by those who obviously don't like me.



I have enough fans, I am booking now for Wednesday of next Wk.
I do not like to waste my precious time on earth replying to pretentious people
who go out of their way to be hurtful.











Edited to include the quote I am replying to now.

I like your pictures.  When I get around to seeing you, I know what I will find.  As for the others who knows? (they wont see me anyway)  I would like to see admin piss on the haters every now and then.  Each has a taste of their own and that is their prerogative.   But just to be pissy from the get go is not positive and will never be.

in the spirit of GOOD VIBRATIONS & since it was mentioned...
I will share the great news now, that I quit smoking cigarettes
almost 2 months ago. The E - cigarette has made it easy!

I am so grateful for ALL who support me & YOU are the ones
I like to SHARE with.

Xoxoxo,
me

I've been around smokers all my life, I know it can be a really hard thing to kick. That takes a lot of guts and willpower! Still sending you positive thoughts and good vibrations...

Keep doing your thing the way YOU want to do it.

Many use different ways to cope with stress and tragedy in their life. You have done well to handle much that others may not have been able to cope with by themselves. I have always been a fan of your pictures and your participation here. You are a real genuine person who comes through that way. Please forgive my tardiness at posting.

I am glad you have been able to quit smoking and for those who forgot other ladies have posted this news with much fanfare.  Just do a search if there is a lapse of memory.

Kisses Haley

I never would have posted about it here, had it not been mentioned
by some guy that I am only TOO THRILLED doesn't like me .




As I look over this thread... I see that most of the "ugly" posts to me
have been deleted.




To tell you the truth, I am super happy just to know that YOU
& Tara & Fax ( & my visitors ) are happy for me.

I'm sure ALL the people who support me here will let me know.




Thank you so much, Sweetest Haley!





Edited to add a happy face & complete my thoughts.


















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I think you'd be fun to be with. Your personality shows thu in your posts. You act natural, not as a prima dodda.