Take a look at the thread on the Phoenix board and also the article in question...

Phoenix thread -

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=74222&boardID=5

It seems that the shills/ads/informative posts are being used by the prosecution to indite the guys who frequented the DD agency....

Someone is going to have to help me understand the "point" to be made here. I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, admittedly.

So the prosecution claims that they are going to use posts made on a board to "indict" certain individuals. This is not what they were originally charged with, and it may not even have enough teeth in the real world to mean anything. It's more than likely some kind of posturing by the prosection to put pressure on those already charged. Just one more charge they claim they will add on...to build the perception of pressure.

So the point is what? That ads/shill posts/informative posts should stop? We shouldn't post to a message board because IF we get nabbed in a sting, IF we are found to have received favors for posting, and IF the charges stick.....we'll regret posting on a message board?

While I'm sure it may be a valid point....let's not forget the big picture here. While we may not agree with the thought process behind it....what we engage in is an ILLEGAL activity! It is not regulated, monitored, or overseen. It is the Wild West with very little rules, and very little true safety. Sure...we tend to forget that sometimes because we sugar coat things in our minds, get complacent, or think the law doesn't count just because we don't agree with it. None of that changes what this truly is.
At the end of the day, posting on a message board is the least of anyone's worries...be it a shill post, ad post, or informative post.

Just sayin'

The article you posted for us to read says that these customers rated the ladies on TER.  Well rated to me doesn't mean posting a shout out or posting a thread about a lady not to be missed.  Rating occurs when you write a full blown review.
Thus in order to be safe are you telling us not to post a review?  I hope not otherwise TER will become worthless.  So if you think posting a review is safe so would be posting a thread.  If not this is a very sad day for TER.

The four who were arrested were indicted for being part of a criminal enterprise. They were accepting discounts for posting reviews. In essence, they were paid (monetary incentives)to write them. That is why they were indicted.
They were NOT indicted because they were frequent customers, but participants in the criminal enterprise.  
Big difference!

point RCProNo1 is making (which I, for one, agree with completely).

A review, if compliant with all TER policies, is a description of what happened and the reviewer's personal opinion of how he felt about it; written and submitted after the fact without the expectation of any kind of benefit from the provider based on the review itself. Of course, in the fictional spirit we all know and love.

A shill review/post is a recommendation by the hobbyist with an arguable expectation of benefit (whether discount, future references, or priority service in scheduling or performance) - and here is the key distinction - based on the fact that such a post/review will garner more business for the provider.

When your arguable intent is to increase the business of the provider in an implied or real expectation of preferential treatment by the provider, theoretically, you can deemed by LE (and everyone else for that matter) as "furthering her enterprise."

Beyond this boundary reaching legal aspect, it's, again IMHO, a bad thing for a discussion board like this or any other.  If every guy shilled his ATF, then the boards have a chance of becoming nothing more than a shill board.  Even if they don't, the providers who don't have shills are at a disadvantage in their efforts at the grass roots marketing that TER allows.

The shit that's going on in Phoenix, according to LE's position, is centered around a bunch of guys who were obviously in league with the Agency to promote the agency through the TER boards by shill posts and reviews in direct exchange of a monetary benefit via discounts.  If you read back through the Phoenix Board, you can still see the shill posts from these guys, and it's really not hard at all to identify who is now paying all kinds of legal fees because they crossed the line of being hobbyists to becoming minor pimps for an agency.

Are the hobbyists here crossing that line?  Hell no, but the line sure does become blurrier with every shill post, no matter what the reason.

There are a number of reasons that TER has policies against repetitive shill posts.  I still will never understand why the recommendation posts can't just be made to the ads or weekly "provider pick" posts that are so fun to read and look at.

Just to be clear, RCProNo1 hasn't discussed this board with me in any way, and will probably be pissed that I posted, but I've been following this for awhile and felt the need to add my own 2 cents, particularly with the issue raised today. Take it FWIW.

Good luck

shills!!!!!  I have done a lot of mini reviews over the past couple years. Only recently has anyone ever accused me of being a shill.  (that would be our resident "shill detector") I see it as nothing more than disseminating info to other guys about someone I have met, but they may not have.  I have never gotten one minute of free time, any non menu items, any anything for doing this...yet I am now a shill!!!  This thing in Phoenix has nothing to do with what we do here.  Those guys ARE doing this for some kind of gain, and trying to get the agency a gain in the process.  We are talking apples and oranges here.  I posted some smiley's and a name...nothing else.  That makes me a shill?????
I don't think so!!!!  Geeze GET OFF this SHILL thing already!!!  The blurry line you mention, only gets blurry because some obseesed with this issue stare at it foe so damn long, they can't focus anymore....EVERYTHING appears to be a shill because of the nearsightedness that staring at the line has caused! Next will be when the ladies post pics, and a guy replies to the 2 or 3 that he knows, out of the 10 pics.  I guess he is now a shill or pimp for those 3 ladies....GEEZE  give it a rest already!!!!!  

Thanks DC. I wasn't sure what this whole thing was about, so I appreciate your calm and knowledgeable post.

intentions when you make a "mini-review."  I don't think anyone really doubts it.  But they are YOUR individual intentions.

You are trying to apply your specific, unique set of circumstances to a general board Policy that is designed for the whole, not the individual.

If a pimp got on and started giving "mini-reviews" of local ladies that he's pimping out - and you knew it, would you condone it?  I would hope you'd say no.

If a guy who has become a lovesick puppy to a provider and can't handle the ultimate rejection posts a "mini-review" that slams her, and you knew the real reason, would you condone it?  Again, I would hope you'd say no.

Those are just two examples, but the underlying thread between them is that someone, somehow, has to evaluated and make a judgment call on the intention of the poster.  That's impossible on a board of semi-anonymous, lovable deviants such as this one.  POLICY is designed to take the wonder out of the posts that cross the line from information sharing to just another ad for the provider.

And you are not without an outlet for your need to share your wonderful experiences.  That's what the reviews are for, and that's what posting to the provider's ad and weekly "show us your tits" types of threads.  I still can't understand why that's not good enough.

Bottom line - you say that you are just trying to help out your fellow hobbyists clue in on a good time.  OK, everyone buys that.  It's a little disingenuous, however, when you are talking about local providers.  They have a presence, they have the chance of weekly ads as well as participation in the weekly threads.  And there clients have all of the opportunity in the world to interact with them in public on this board.  What makes your thread starting "mini-review" any more informative and necessary?

You can always write a mini-review for a touring provider, so that's not the issue.  No, what it boils down to is that YOU want to be the one at the top of the thread recommending the lady.  Unfortunately, your desire for that is outweighed, IMHO, by the policy reasons discussed above.

Good luck

our board here in Florida, …....

….IYHO, do you consider this a ‘shill’?

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=16&SortBy=Username&SearchType=1&Author=rcprono1&DayFrom=600&DayTo=0&MessageID=76438&frmSearch=1

What do you think DC, is our moddie on the take? Is he a shill? Is he a pimp? Could our beloved moderator be arrested for posting this? Should our mod be moderated for this? Please grace us yet again w/your insight.

Curious that you didn’t post or bring this up on the Phoenix board where it was originally posted or on your very own GD board you moderate, but yet felt most compelled to post it here. Interesting too, that was your first post on the Florida board as well.  I guess you were afraid you might create a little drama on those other boards, thanks for bringing it here.

Your points on the pimp and the lovesick puppy are well taken. The real problem is what RCPro and you, apparently, refuse to ackowledge is that on THIS board....these "problems" are quickly identified and quashed by the general assembly. The members, the daily posters, the individuals, quirky as some may be who have MADE this board the envy of other TER boards. It's no accident that the FL board has REPEATEDLY been referred to as "the best board on TER".

We all know what the reviews "are for". They are for the "juicy details" of a meeting with a provider, to give infomation so that other hobbyists can do their research. Our message board is a place where providers can place their ads. We get that too. But it is also a meeting place, of sorts, for like minded individuals with something in common. An online "water cooler", if you will, for people to stop by and share experiences, jokes, stories, and yes....much to your chagrin...the occasional afterglow comment about a memorable experience. No harm...no foul.
It should be, and has been, that type of open and welcoming environment. An environment where, if someone stops by and goes over the top...the other people around the water cooler will let them know that, while they are welcome here, there are "community standards".
I still can't understand why that's not good enough.

To say that a comment, "shout out", afterglow remark, "mini review" or WHATEVER you want to call it about one of our great, local ladies is "disingenuous"....is...completely IMHO....and I mean no personal disrespect....incredibly RUDE and COMPLETELY lacking in any kind of knowledge of our local board.

THIS is the "problem". THIS is the "bottom line"...neither our new mod, or you, has taken ANY time to get to know the people who frequent this board. The people who MAKE this board what it is...and not just another piece of cyberspace real estate. While not only short-sighted and ineffective, it is disrespectful to the people who frequent the board.

Not everyone was the kid who kissed the teacher's ass, ratted anyone out, and LOVED to say (insert smarmy nasal nerd voice here) 'but thaaat's against the ruuuuuules'. So maybe those of us who weren't.....can't understand the ones who were.

This is, for the most part, a "no harm no foul" board. If it is the intention of you, our new mod, or TER to turn this into one uptight, boring, waste of space (like so many other TER boards)...then KUDOS!!! Because one HELL of a GOOD JOB is being done of that!!!
Be proud. High fives all around.

And, as a side note, if the poster whom you wrote this about, "No, what it boils down to is that YOU want to be the one at the top of the thread recommending the lady" isn't offended by your assumption and sanctimonious tone...I'd be very surprised...because some of the rest of us certainly are.

Perhaps at the time RC posted that he was just 'joining in the community spirit' but now that he is MOD here, he feels it his duty to point these things out??? or maybe none of the above... LOL

No matter what anyone says...it will be twisted in to some GD presentation of another rule, or subset of the rule, or what ever.  The point is....YOU don't know me...so you can sit on the toilet with your laptop and make these kind of judgements!  The people on this board can pick out a shill or a pimp in a second, and those type threads getting attacked like a feeding frenzy.  We don't like them either.  However YOU and your piling everything into a CATEGORY with absolutely no flexibility built in, make a good hearted, friendly post sound like into an ad campaign for a local lady.  All because of this anal, closeminded, myopic definition that has been put on a thread like this.  If you cant think, or see outside the box, stay in the box.. You don't want drama.....THEN QUIT CREATING IT!!!!

you'll notice that it was in a provider Friday thread, which if you have followed along, I have always said were fun and I was not going to change or remove them.

just sayin'

on me for not agreeing with you.  I gave an opinion.  Within that opinion, I went out of my way to not imply that you guys are crossing the same line as the Phoenix bunch.  I even went so far as to specifically say that YOU have the most honorable intentions with YOUR posts.  Yet you insist on making this about me and not the ideas and opinions that I post.

So who's the fucking rigid drama monger here?  The one (me) who posts an opinion w/o any flaming at all or the one (you) who has to resort to name calling, derision, and flaming?  Grow the fuck up.  You are now sounding like a kid who is pissy about having to follow the rules instead of an adult on an internet posting board.

you read my posts.  Because you missed this from my post:

"I still will never understand why the recommendation posts can't just be made to the ads or weekly "provider pick" posts that are so fun to read and look at."

Anyone with half a brain that hasn't been snapped shut would be able to figure out that the post you linked was EXACTLY where I think the appropriate place for those kinds of post.  In essence, your post makes no fucking sense because you are asking me if a the type of post that I have ALREADY said wasn't a shill IS a shill.  How do you reconcile your sarcastic request for my insight with the fact that it was ALREADY there in the post to which you hit "reply?"

You are so fucking caught up in arguing this point that you don't even read the fucking post that you reply to.  YOU are being the rigid, closed minded downer here.

Oh, and thank you for telling me where I should or should not post on TER.  That's very powerful of you to flex like that.  I hope your preening caught the attention of whomever you are trying to impress.  However, maybe you should do so in a post where you don't look like such a non-comprehending idiot.

BTW, the only drama is coming from you guys who can't seem to respond with anything more substantive than "I'm right and you're wrong."  YOU are the ones making this personal.

They are remarkably similar in the fact that they are blown way out of proportion and go way beyond rational thinking and have taken on irrevicable personal tones that can't be undone.

In the DD investigation they have also indicted a photographer for taking photos and are inteneding on idicting every one of them they find.  It has turned from a rspectable prosecution into an embarassment for the legal system.

As the general legality pertains to this site..anything you post here can and will be used against you if the prosecutor so wishes.
For jumping on rules of TER and mixing law with TER rules is kind of a mute point.  Simply being on this site puts everyone at risk to those prosecutors with a cause....most people here worry as much about friends and family finding out as they do the legal issues.  The prosecution may use that as they wish.  Anyone that follows law knows that mistakes have been made, often pushed and caused by agressive belief against a defendant or plaintif.  People go to jail that were innocent and some are set free that were guilty.

Ter rules have not been held true in any sense of the word by any member of the staff on any board(except those that don't exist).  This is not a knock on any person in the TER family, it is statement towards being a human being.  Humans use gut instinct and personal feelings to do everything in life.  Try as we may, they always play a part in our decissions.  Newbies have a tougher time getting reviews posted than long time hobbiests(it does not have that as a TER rules, but it is true).  Those that post often get away with a  little more than a first time poster...not in the rules, but it happenes every day.

So since this thread was started by a Moderator and referred to another board for example...what is the intent?  To share an opinion, change this board for legal reasons, change this board for TER reasons or simply to stir up conversation via a different modality other than a lady posting a photo/ad or a guy posting a shill or comment.

I ask because everything has been referenced in this thread.  Personal attacks, legal reference, TER rules, shills and comments.  It really seems more like a miguided thread than a focused debate!  Of course hijacked posts happen all the time as well!

HELP....I"M CONFUSED!(Nope, no need for racial or identity retaliation either, none of those should apply).

What happened??? LOL….here’s more of you shilling (& not on Provider Friday either 2 dif. "Theme days") when you were fun…..sorry, couldn’t help my rascally self…

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=16&SortBy=Username&SearchType=1&Author=RCProNo1&DayFrom=600&DayTo=0&MessageID=81996&frmSearch=1


http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=16&SortBy=Username&SearchType=1&Author=RCProNo1&DayFrom=600&DayTo=0&MessageID=74089&frmSearch=1

Come on RC, lets put this behind us & have us some fun on this board!

DC, I guess my preening caught your attention. I feel soooo special now. Gee, what a flurry of bloated windbag posts you have presented to our little board here today. Way to lull everyone to sleep here with your posts!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOLOFTFatgc#

Speaking of a steel trap of a mind set DC, you keep posting the same tired water boarding, Chinese water torturing logic to the board. Please open up your mind and it will set you free!

Again I query you as to why didn’t you post or bring this up on the Phoenix board where it was originally posted or on your very own GD board you moderate, but yet felt most compelled to post it here? Who, I mean what prompted you to post here, and your very first post?

Maybe DC, if indeed you are so concerned that we are not indicted here on TER w/our call outs to the ladies,   you can refer to this thread, also from the Phoenix board and enter it on behalf of our defense.

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=74259&boardID=5&page=1

Sorry we here on the Florida board just don’t bow to your opinions and submission like lemmings you want to lead. If it is your‘s & RC’s intent to vanilla-ize & cookie cutter the boards devoid of any fun & personality, you on the right tract. Funny DC (funny ironic, not funny ha ha) the only drama that has occurred on our board since RC has taken over has been created by our 2 new Florida mods, you & RC. You two get to wear the DQ hats when you visit our board from now on. I guess you 2 will continue imposing your will and vision on our board, shoving it down our paid VIP’s throat by god. After all, we’re just shills & pimps.  Unfortunately, the problem w/these 2 moderators vision on how the TER boards should be run is that they are blind. Lighten up & let the Florida board be the Florida board. Sorry about the tuff love guys, but it’s you 2 that are making it personnel.

I wish we had a seperate board called "The Bitch and Whine Board", where this could be discussed. It's getting a bit old and then the lovely ladies that post their ads are now on page 2 or 3 by now

Humble opinion of course

xoxo
Jada

Gotta a purple bikini pic...maybe we can hijack this thread! lol  Kidding!

...rest asured, your add was not effected by the length of this thread. threads can run long & not effect another thread, ter designed the board to fit X amount of thread subjects, ie, lets say this page holds 15 threads, each thread could have 50 posts on it, or no posts on it, either way, #16 thread would push the oldest thread to the next page. more times than not, your add is pushed to the next page by another provider add thread. btw, this is not an add board, but you do have the privlage to post 1 every 7 days...lol....

Unless it is an outright shill post just let it go!

You Mod's just seem to want to defend your position.

DC your logic is second to none! However as the usual case the devil is in the details.

Let common sense prevail. Get to know the posters and move on!

I'm not sure what the purpose of this post is. Should never have been started.

sent to people, he was going to back off of this subject, and let it go!  But now we have RC and DC as a tag team!!!  RC I saw those PM's, and thought this was going to be over.  I guess your word is about as meaningful as your logic (which is basically nonexistant)!

my shill post from the past.  

It's not personal brother, it's just a difference of opinion.

I definitely include myself in that.  

BTW, NOT written from a laptop from the toilet.  LOL

Actually on my patio with a cigar.

....a discount from that lass on that shill out, lol.....i think not, so respect us......

peace out!

Ok, maybe we will. first, let's start with the PMs that were forwarded to you.

I said what I said.  And if you think for just one second, and use that logic stuff you mentioned, you'll notice that I have not pulled a post that was a shill or and ad or one of you "informational pieces".  Logically, that would say that I have kept up my word.  Oops, there's that logic thing.

Now the other logic part would be that you never publicly answered any of the questions I posed in the earlier thread.  You love to attack, but when a deeper response is necessary, you never have one.

I have now sunk to a level to which I always hoped I would not - "Never argue with a fool, people might not be able to tell the difference".  so I will stop this argument.

It was approximately 6 or 7 weeks ago you became the moderator of the Florida board.
At that time all welcomed you with open arms.
Prior to that this board was running smooth as can be.
Since then, seems to me, the only controversy, outrage and disruption in that smooth road has been a result of threads you started.
Looks like the honeymoon is over and you are headed to divorce court.

My observation
2009 = 27