Great research.
It's amazing how much infulence reviews/rating have on our biz.
Clair
Posted By: LikesNips
This post is response to CTP's comment on Giselle's post that TER ranking is "a joke". Sorry my friend, I am base my opinion using scientific method and data analysis.
I know that seasoned hobbyist like you (and me) are not base selection on ranking because some people are game the system. But from the provider point of view there is direct correlation between ranking and rates
Consider this analysis of Chicago girls.
The "girls" who are in top ten are charge a median rate of $675 per appointment or $517/hour. Some are have 90 min or 2 hour minimums. For the girls who are in rank 11 to 20 the number is $375.
Of course there are other factors are playing here. But the data is clearly show that girls can charge more with good ranking. Conflicting opinion and alternate research is encouraged to respond to this thread.
If someone can provide funding I am expand this research to complete list of cities and providers. This is a important research for betterment of our society. LOL.
I do agree with the previous poster that the top 10 list is "very" exaggerated with inflated scores. And for that matter, most providers do have inflated scores.
This has been mentioned before, but in this game, the best thing to do is back channel other "reliable" hobbyists if you want the truth.
I am not dispute that hobbyist can do better research than just look at rankings. But this is about the provider. CTP is tell Giselle to forget about ranking because it is not important. Clever hobbyist can find out who is the good provider by other means and will find her anyway
I don't know if Giselle is try to meet clever hobbyist. I am not expert here but I am make a blind guess and say she and other providers are all try to maximize their income. So if she can see that if she is in top 10 she can charge much higher rate, why is she not try to get better ratings. This is how she can be maximized her income.
This is not whether the rating is inflated. I am sure it is very inflated for all girls who is in top 10. How you are get into top 10 is irrelevant - inflated rating, fake review, bully hobbists. All NOT RELEVANT. The data is show that if you can get in top 10 you can charge much more.
"The data is show that if you can get in top 10 you can charge much more."
No they dont....all they show is top rated suppliers get higher rates....it could also mean that the more someone pays a provider the higher the rankings they are likely to assign her? Not because she provider was better but because she cost more....... Is Evian better water than Ice Mountain or does it jst cost more?
CTP's point was that certain providers become obsessed over their 'top 10 or top 100" rankings..some [not all] resort to fake reviews or huge discounts given to clients to maintain that ranking..if the ranking they get is legitimately and honestly earned..no one will have any qualms about their rates..it is the underhanded ladies that cast doubts on the rating system and the rates they get are under suspicion by many here..
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I agree with LikesNips based on my limited personal knowledge and observations. But from a statististical point of view, he is confusing correlation with possible causation. The ladies at the top of the rankings may be able to charge more because they are, in fact, "better", or for some other reason besides their numerical ranking on TER. You would have to do a survey based on whether people who chose a top rated provider did so largely because of her numerical rankings. As I said, I would tend to think it would be a factor, but the statistical"proof" is non existent.
I think an interesting analysis would be to look at the top ten, then find the average scores given out by any of their reviewers with more than five reviews. It would tell you how many of thosereviews are from people who usually give out high reviews (but that could be due to mere'ly choosing very carefully, not wanting to give ladies mediocre reviews or whatever). It might tell you something, though.
Also, Levitt and his co author have written about prostitution -and the research in question - in their popular books Freakonomics and Super-Freakonomics. It's very interesting stuff.
To make your research valid you need to explain your scientific method and data analysis. You also need to identify the parameters used, such as providers must have x number of reviews to be included in the sample. One can easily come up with a study that shows providers charging $250/hour and $400/hour can have excellent reviews. In short, without data to support your research the results you claim are invalid
Confirmation bias may play a role here. Say that some fellow decided to make an appointment with two providers during the course of a trip to Chicago. Say that provider "A" Charges 500 for an hour, provider "B" charges 350. He has a similar experience with both.
Three things may occur. He may rate the experiences as equal. However, in my opinion, one of two things are more likely.
He may choose to rate the more expensive provider highly, wishing to believe that he had not "wasted" 150 on an experience similar to provider "B".
Or he may rate provider "B" more highly, incorporating a sense of "value" into the rating.
This is why I wish TER would give us a "value" tab. And it is also why I have never seen a provider at more than $500 an hour. Even though I am sure the more expensive ladies are beautiful and provide a wonderful time, I cannot reconcile myself personally to an outlay of that sort.
This is not to say that ladies should short themselves when it comes to rates. Far from it. You have a resource, it belongs to you alone, and my opinion is that you should charge all the market can bear.
First, I would like to say that this discussion is pretty great. Not too many discussions where statistics and blow jobs are linked together.
I won't go as far as CTP and say the ratings are a joke, but I absolutely agree that these aren't real data by any means. Both ratings "numbers" are based on purely subjective criteria and are bogged down by all kinds of bias. I would hope most people reading these would know to take them with a grain of salt and not treat them as gospel. If you go see a provider with all 9s and 10s, when you write your review, you'll feel awkward not giving a 9 or 10 yourself because you don't want to be "that asshole" as someone put it, that brought her scores down. Since all the numbers are essentially based on prior scores, it doesn't make a true data set that can be objectively evaluated. If you want to try to get some more objective (but still subjective) data, people should see a provider blind, not knowing what her scores are, then write the review and then see how the numbers shake out. This would never happen because the whole point of reviews is to know what we are getting into, so there's the dilemma.
So to the original point, LN's conclusions are not valid because his initial premise as well as data are flawed. That said, he is right that providers that command the higher scores are less common and thus believe (sometimes) that they can command a higher fee, and inversely, people will pay that higher sum because they believe they are experiencing something more unique.
Kinda rambling on here so I'm just gonna stop.
is add more fuel to the reason rankings are a "joke". Your stats are the reason providers have a quest for the top 10 and will do anything to get there. For the $$$ and will do whatever it takes to get there over inflated scores, fake reviews, intimidation/harassment . First off we are dealing with humans of the female kind they are not robots or machines. Do you mean to tell me every provider in the top 10 really deserves all those 10's realistically? There goes your scientific study out the window. Let's pick apart a review ratings. Appearance, so you mean to tell me all those 10's are deserving? You might like blondes. I might like brunettes. You might like fake boobs. I might like natural. So if I score a provider a 8 (which is average) but 5 guys before me give her a 10 I am an asshole. See my point! Performance really gets jaded on TER not going into specifics but you have been around long enough to get my point. There was a time when TER didn't have these rankings. So yes my friends I agree with CTP these rankings have caused problems. And yes providers should just go about their business and pay too much to rankings. Example, I see a provider on a regular basis that has been reviewed all 8's even 7's but to me she is awesome she might not have a 10 appearance or a 10 in performance but I enjoy spending time with her. If a provider wants to charge 1k hr and gets it good for her. I just think ranking providers is a joke!
As far as linking doubles that would be crazy because no two providers are the same period. You mean to tell me a provider that gets 8's does a double and now magically she is a 10. What a joke!
beauties have come on the scene. But we all know that's not the case. A lot of regular hot girls have turned to escorting, but they're not models or the most ever amazing beauties to live on this land.
Ratings were a lot more honest in the past. Receiving an 8 for really hot was an excellent rating, 9 was awesome too, and 10's were reserved for the most exquisite EVER!
Now higher ratings are given out like candy. There's no substance, and I would agree with CTP, someone who has been around this board for awhile, standards have changed.
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First, your dataset has to have the same characteristics, NOT the same rating. For instance, to truly get 8's on up from the definition of TER, those providers have to provide anal, kissing with tongue, etc. Many of this higher price caliber do not offer those services. So we then get into the levels of subjectivity, not objectivity. Forget about median, we need to look at average pricing so that we can truly establish a standard deviation from that. Finally, I would argue, similar to the old judging systems in gymnastics for the Olympics, you need to throw out the high and the low and the judges need to have seen more than 1 provider. That's why I say a standard deviation for women charging premium over the "norm" is the only way really determine if it's worth the money, but all of this is subjective, so I am in agreement with CTP.
Of course I know there is some flaws in my argument. It is only correlation and not imply causation. My goal is to start this discussion and I am happy many people are contribute. I hope some provider also can join in.
I know that rankings is all subjective and many people are game this system. But I am hope you can see from this analysis WHY some provider are crazy obsessed with ranking. Because maybe they are believe that better ranking equals higher rates. More specific Top ten ranking = Higher rate. Whether you and I are agree with this logic or not, many provider are believe this and that is why they are obsess about top 10 ranking.
I hear you LikeNips and I am busting your balls....a little. My contention is if you focus on service, the money and reviews will follow. In all honesty from the initial charter of this website, I think it is a conflict of interest to post reviews and then pull them or change them because a provider doesn't like what is written.
BTW...I still think Ebert was doing drugs when he said he liked Prometheus 
I'd just like to say that I was not, in fact, upset with my scores, only with the fact that my partners' as well as my own doubles reviews do not have links correlating the double with each, individual provider. I think it would be nice to show each and every review the provider has been a participant of...
That said, yes, I think rates are, 'overrated' (tee-hee) but they do help a girl obtain more business because, I'll bet that I'm not the only one whose eyes tend to gravitate towards the extremely high scores out of curiosity, right? Also, I will check out extremely low scores as well for just the same damn reason! Curiosity, my friends!
I hope everyone had a gorgeous and fun St. Patrick's Day! I sure as hell did
XXX-Giselle Parker
Posted By: LikesNips
Of course I know there is some flaws in my argument. It is only correlation and not imply causation. My goal is to start this discussion and I am happy many people are contribute. I hope some provider also can join in.
I know that rankings is all subjective and many people are game this system. But I am hope you can see from this analysis WHY some provider are crazy obsessed with ranking. Because maybe they are believe that better ranking equals higher rates. More specific Top ten ranking = Higher rate. Whether you and I are agree with this logic or not, many provider are believe this and that is why they are obsess about top 10 ranking.
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Do the high scores drive up the price? When a girl has high scores does it force her to raise her prices because the demand increases and she has to reduce traffic?
Or
Do the higher priced girls feel a need to provide great service to justify their rates and therefore earn high scores because they deserve them?
Or
Are guys under the illusion that it costed more, it must be good. And then write a review based on the belief that they got a Real Great Gal cause she cost a Large amount?
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