just wondering are these two the same, have same photos and phone number. also veronica stood me up twice in joliet and pailen brooks never answers emails or voice messages.

Don't bother w/ VC anymore due to a couple no shows in the past.  Set up an appt w/ Danella recently who also NCNS'd. One strike and done is probably going to be the case with her I think.

Such is life.

This is a new one, and I am sure it will create some drama in a big fashion..

Checked out Pailen's photo page on her web site and LO AND BEHOLD: what doth I find?? The same poor quality self taken in a mirror image photos of Pailen that VC occasionally posts on this Board. WOW- am I a slowwwwww learner.. embarassing, I must be getting old!!!!!!!!

Such a deal as I couldn't believe!! Oy Vaysmere

Could that be the reason of that T***1 has only reviewed those two? Reviews that seemed written by a chick and unbelievably glowing.

you will see why VC has been away from the board.  
Now, I little understanding is expected here. Am I wrong?

VC isn't a flake!!!
I highly doubt she has stood you up.
Maybe the whole thing has to do with the way you have approached her, maybe not, but the bottom line is, VC wold never do NCNS.



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The expression goes something like this: If you are not making the news, the news is making you.  You can't make this stuff up. Thanks for outting this behavior. If more did it rather than complain, people might get it that this is why boards like this are valuable. The white knights are conspicuously absent.

I know I have been thought to be a VC white knight on past threads.  I probably have been and might well be in the future.  Since I had no knowledge of this event/non-event I had nothing to add until sensing a call out.

Have a great evening all.

book a double!!!!!!  that'll teach ya.

No one called you out. I don't know you and your affections for VC.  If you are doing a self-check in, that's fine. I was just asking where the loyalists that think because nothing happens to them, others can't speak up? There's always one or more.

At my age a single has to be cleared with the docs!

But thanks for asking.

Couple of years ago, I used to see VC regularly. With the exception of sometimes delaying the meeting starting time and having difficulty finding a hotel room; everything else went smoothly and she was very pleasant. I wonder what happened!

leave this post up but you guys have to help a little. "No negative or trouble making posts". It says it in the posting rules. And your really stretching the rules.

Be careful

Not a flake?

http://tinyurl.com/ycz72g9

it is how you approached her and not just her but any lady here and outside of the hobby. On the other hand, some tend to forget that the ladies here have their own life and things can happen on the way before the scheduled time.

. . . .  and I have been fortunate enough to be on the good side of that equation. I guess I should consider myself the lucky one.

I am by no means a "regular" of hers and have always found her to be friendly, upfront, personable, funny and professional and a talented provider.  Obviously, many others have had different experiences.

I don't consider myself a White Knight and am not making any attempt to dispute the negative claims -- many from guys that I know are highly reputable -- on here but it really is a shame when a gorgeous, smart, and appealing lady like VC is caught in the middle of a discussion like this.

If the claims are true, here's hoping she learns from the experiences and gives attention to others like the kind that I have experienced with her.  She has all the ingredients of a great provider and we need more of those here.

I've met her, had a mind-blowing experience and left a glowing review of our time together.  I can say without hesitation that she is the best local provider I have been with in terms of looks and performance and would be privileged to be a regular of hers.  Considering all that, I was puzzled when she canceled a double we planned with Danella (apparently she gets into a lot car accidents) then her friend never returned my call when I arrived at the hotel to meet with her alone.  To top it all off, VC sent me an e-mail the next day claiming that I am the one who stood her up!  It's a shame because these shenanigans negate the regular clients and higher rates they certainly could demand.

I have seen VC and refuse to post a review of our session as it was the best I have had of any provider and I didnt want it to seem too "elaborate".  I had only seen her the one time and hoped to see her again.  I saw no reason for any of these claims, but as said earlier YMMV and I truly cant see this with her but who knows.  Hopefully this isnt the case as I said she is my atf and cant wait for another meeting.  just my .02

What you have said is exactly correct. As always friendly, upfront, smart, and gorgeous lady.

Although I got a cockamayne (sp?) story eventually on first one (so guess it wasn't technically NCNS). 2nd one was @ home, so I didn't have sit for hours in a hotel bar.  Ya, she's a gem. Don't bother...  BTW - had seen her 2* b4, which were good, so it had nothing to do w/me.

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well Pailen must have shown up on Jan 26, 2010.. Pailen got a decent review from an individual who has reviewed a few other ladies ( not his only one) she has if memory recalls 4 total reviews

On 2nd date, she did drive me 5-6 mi, but didn't notice anything alarming in her driving. I actually fell for the accident story, then on the reschedule, she proved she was a flake.

Just curious since you've seen her. Are Pailen and VC the same person? Based on pictures that appear similar?

Do you realize that the more you post about her the less credible you are?  The more you post about her the more it casts doubt that you are a hobbiest at all.

Lets have one of the fine, well respected reviewers book a appointment with VC at a certain day and time, and another well respected reviewer book at the same day and time with Pailen.

What do you think? Just my 2 cents.

me being a hobbiest or not.
Let me see here:

1. I get in touch with the lady - just like you do
2. I get to the agreed location  - just like you do
3. I leave the donation - just like you do.
4. I enjoy my time - just like you do
5. I show respect - here maybe you and I are different
6. When the time is up, I leave - just like you do

Now, what is it so different that makes you more of a hobbiest than me?????????????????

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VC has never flaked on me and has treated me very well. I happen to like her so I guess the rest of you will call me a WK. I don't care, the situation as posted isn't my business but I'd like to make the point that some people bring NCNS's on themselves by being too aggressive (too many phone calls in a short period of time - LE maybe?) or by simply being rude or demanding. Treating providers as the human beings they are and not scaring the hell out of them by constantly calling and emailing them might just make you more successful in avoiding NCNS situations. It's no guarantee that it won't happen but your odds of seeing her improve drastically by being nice. What woman doesn't want to be treated nicely in this world?

Happy now? The WK's have entered the arena

We were all set up to go she wouldn't answer her phone or anything e-mailed didn't even answer to let me know what was up and she has some good reviews

I'm tired of feeling like a Day Care assistant on this board.

I note funtimes61 is present and accounted for. He can take over the reins of this train wreck.

I'm goin for a trike ride.

When the provider NCNS's.
VC is not caught in the middle. She is the beginning and the end to this thread.

I realize that no matter how good the experience I had with her that others may have very different experiences.  I realize that if I have a good experience and multiple people have different experiences it probably isn't the hobbiests fault.  Every time I see her name posted I don't feel the need to sing her praises.  I realize that these girls are grown ups who can fight their own fights and don't need me to sing their praises every oppertunity I can find or manufacture.  I realize that if I sing the praises of a girl every time her name is mentioned I should be viewed as having suspicious motives or that I don't have perspective on what a provider/hobbiest is all about.  I have enough real world experience that I don't rate every girl I sleep with as a 10/10 and the greatest experience of my life.

    These are but a very few of the obvious differences in how we approach the hobby.

Well after reading this thread I'm now sure VC, Pailen, and T***1 are all the same person (VC). Talk about your multiple personalities!

If I see a girl and there are MULTIPLE threads with people with issues with her that I didn't experience I realize that I was lucky, and I stay out of them as my skewed views arent relevant to the discussion.  I realize it is her and not the hobbiests.

Another interesting question: Is T0001 also VC/Pailen? Reading her (his?) comments and his two (2) reviews, it raises the question.

Vut a Meshugeneh!!!

The OP doesn't sound like he's bashing VC. He asked a question and then made a statement about her reliability. I don't see how anyone can claim he was rude to her or acted like he was LE from that. He says she flaked on him twice. I'd be a little exasperated if I was treated that way.

Okay.  I am not sure what to believe but that being said, the comment that these three personas are all the same person is vexing to say the least. I cannot keep up with my own thoughts let alone the goings on of three people. I've read this several times on the board and maybe there is some truth to it. Hmmm?

A number of people whose word I respect on this board have said they are the same, the ones saying they are different people aren't so credible in my book.  After all that has been said in numerous threads over the years I can't figure out why anyone would wade through the murk to seek either lady out.

about what VC pulled on me and everyone said I was wrong and just being jealous!
I told you sooner or later the truth would come out as it always does and it has!
She had me fooled as I thought we were friends but you have to give it to her she is good at her game!
so many car accidents and so many times her family is in hospital with unforseen problems.

Maybe you should take that up with her directly. Old grudges are best dealt with among 'old friends.' If she cried wolf again and again, she won't fool people for long. I think this is more a personal dig (kick her when she's down) and is frankly off-topic.

I do feel for what happened to you Tracy.
I am baffled why her and T001 or whichever that ID is couldn't wait to attend a gathering I had
then wind up someplace else. Glad I didn't give
my exact location out. I don't know who her friend
is but anyone can pretend to be who T says he is.
I sure hope the community banter stops I am beginning to feel like I am in 7th grade again.

Good day to you .

Angela

I've been NCNS'd enough times, once because of a stupid mistake on my part, the rest through no fault of my own. It's not fun but it's part of this sport. I was addressing the guy who kept calling her over and over again. That is never a good idea, makes you seem like a stalker, mentally unstable, or even LE desperate to make a bust.

I'm sure VC is getting the message loud and clear from this thread.

This is  REALLY Kind of fascinating. If you go back and read T***1 review of VC. There is no way a dude wrote that flowery crap. That is pure chick. What makes it more hilarious is that he posted a review of Danella but hers, though excellent, doesn't quite measure up as good as VC's. Could it be that VC couldn't possibly let(write),her associate Danella, have a better review than her's?
Very Interesting to say the least!

Then you really are very limited in the way you  think so that is understandable, many points just go right over ur head, both of them!

Not if yours is meant to dredge up shit between you two. it was not german to the OPs gripe. You and VC have bad history and if you want to confront her, do so, but not hijack the thread with your history. Getting on in years, must be a bitch.