I'm pretty confident that every reviewer that says he's never shown an ID has in fact, shown ID in the beginning, established himself with referrals, wised up and no longer puts his information out there.
I think there are some very good reasons to keep your information private, especially if you are a regular hobbiest. The more people you see, adds to the likelihood you'll meet someone not perfectly sane.
Same occurs on our side.
But, I am unable to see this group based on my standards, and that's fine with me. Plus, I probably already saw some of you back in the agency days and checked your ID then!
I, for one, love to simply state full name (on ID) and no one is confused.
I also mention it via phone when confirming because I'd hate for someone to leave it in their car and have to go home;-
Ladies, if you require an ID check for a first meeting, please state so clearly on your web site's contact page so we don't go through the screening process only to be turned down afterward. Those of you who do this already, thank you for not wasting our time.
No PM's please, I don't have VIP at this time and don't anticipate having it in the future.
Gee..what an intuitive post that was..
No PM's please, I don't have VIP at this time and don't anticipate having it in the future.
No PM's please, I don't have VIP at this time and don't anticipate having it in the future.
He is unwilling to provide ID when meeting a lady. Either he doesn't want her to see it or provides a fake name for screening and the info would not match. Some ladies do require ID others don't.
While it is helpful to know in advance this info, why not just ask on initial contact if ID is required so you don't complete the screening process just to be circumvented by an ID check. It goes both ways
My screening info and real ID will never match and to that end, I never contact someone who states on her web site that she requires an ID. I have no problem with a provider requiring an ID, she can do whatever she wishes and I'm fine with this policy. I don't ask if an ID is required because I expect the provider to clearly state her rules on her web site. In this particular case, there was no mention of ID being required nor was there mention of the extensive list of rules and regulations that came with the appointment confirmation. Just so we're clear, I made it through her screening process just fine and the appointment was confirmed. How she screened and cleared me with a fake name I don't know but whatever methods she used I came out clean. Great, everything's set and then the rules and regulations come in the confirmation email. I went back to her web site and saw none of these rules and regulations either. Had I seen this list on her site, I wouldn't have bothered contacting her and no one's time would have been wasted.
I had to cancel the appointment, not because I wouldn't be willing to show her my ID, but because it wouldn't match my hobby name. Things would have gone downhill very quickly so I did the right thing and cancelled. I'll take your advice and in the future ask up front if an ID will be required. I suppose I should ask for that extensive list of rules and regulations up front as well but I rather doubt she'll provide the list prior to screening being completed.
To whomever PM'd me, you didn't read my OP stating that I don't have VIP and likely will never have it again. I'm sorry but your PM will go unread indefinitely and no, I'm not releasing the name of the provider. I suspect this was a result of her assistants screwing up. It happens, we move on.
Sage, you know that I'm not a member of any screening service and that I hobby based solely on references and reputation. This is my choice and while it restricts who I can see, I feel much safer with my real info not being out there. Truth be told, using a fake hobby name has rarely resulted in a problem in the 8 years I've been around. The purpose of this post was to ask you ladies to clearly state your rules on your sites so that unknown requirements like ID and rules and regulations don't cause cancellation of confirmed appointments. It's much better for us to skip over providers who's requirements we don't care to meet and let's face it, the vast majority of you won't tell us your rules and regulations without being screened. I will ask about the ID requirement up front from now on, lesson learned
You are a grown adult and can hobby as you see fit. I guess what I was trying to portray is that if something is a deal breaker for you and it is not stated on her site or reviews then asking is appropriate. Some get comfy thinking everyone screens the same way when that is about the furthest thing from the truth.
Honestly, though it would be nice to have each and every thing listed on our sites... The reality is that we write as much as we can without giving away anything that could get us into trouble. Giving away parts of how we screen does that and announces to potential guests or LE how to falsify ways to get in to visit. Specifying that ID will be required allows time for fake ID's to be made in advance. So some will never list it.
In my personal experience, if someone makes me a little nervous then along with References and a little added checking out I might ask for an ID. Do I do it all the time? No, and do I even let some know ahead of time... No. It is kinda like a spot check. For me it works, if someone wants to lie to me they can leave. Everyone does things differently and usually for good reason, to keep ourselves as safe as we can and to protect our past guests as well.
Take care and I hope you found a replacement that worked out well for you.
Your advice was spot on and I intend to take it for the future. I can see why you'd withhold the ID requirement based on your statements. Honestly though, for an appointment a week or more out, there's plenty of time to get a fake ID. Also, the fake IDs may have been used on other providers before you so you can't assume that he's going to run right out and have one made just for you. If he has one, he's probably been using it for a long time.
We know there are portable scanners for quickly identifying fake currency but I wonder if there are devices that can identify fake IDs? If so, I want in on that company's stock, lol. Heck, I think I'll spend this evening looking for a fake ID scanner LOL...
I do agree that if a lady requires a real name/ID matchup, then that should be noted on her website. Personally, I feel that checking an ID in person is rather pointless (once you're in the door, it's a little late to be doing screening), so I for one ensure that the person contacting me is who they claim to be BEFORE setting the appointment.
In any event, I'm just curious: what were some of the other "rules & regulations" that came via that confirmation email? I would think that most policies and what not would be covered on her website. I can understand reiterating certain things in a confirmation email, but it seems like it'd save much more time on both ends to just have everything clearly outlined up front.
See, sane people with differing viewpoints can find common ground - how amazing! Ask your bud CO if I'm OK, she'll tell ya 
I totally agree that if you're demanding the person's real name, then by all means check them out thoroughly PRIOR to confirming the appointment. That works much better than what happened here - confirmation and then demanding an ID. She or her assistant obviously didn't check me out very well if at all. I haven't heard from any providers who asked why they were contacted without me telling them first. And I always let them know ahead of time so all I can assume is that no contacts were made and she based her screening on white list and reviews. I don't know what was done but the confirmation email came fairly quickly after the appt request was made.
I'm not sharing her rules and regulations. She doesn't put them out there until after screening and confirmation which I found odd, but sharing them in public is out of the question. They weren't way out there, just a little out there but I can understand why she stated them because she probably has experienced these anomalies and wanted to make it clear she wouldn't tolerate certain types of behavior. I'm backing down on the rules and regs but I agree with you that if a provider wants an ID, state it on the site and I'll move on. Why would you want to waste time screening someone who refuses to provide you an ID? And why would I want to waste more time trying to set up an appt with someone who will eventually demand something I'm not willing to give up?
If you used RS2K or P411 as a screening method, you should always anticipate being asked for an ID upon arrival... that's how we know you are really that person 
No PM's please, I don't have VIP at this time and don't anticipate having it in the future.
With P411, you could just show her the last 4 digits of your drivers license number or whatever ID you registered with. cover up the rest of the info with tape or your finger per P411's suggestion.
No PM's please, I don't have VIP at this time and don't anticipate having it in the future.
I've used p411 for years NEVER been asked for an ID.
No PM's please, I don't have VIP at this time and don't anticipate having it in the future.
Guess I've been lucky although many of my early meetings came from a very large and now defunct agency where I was grandfathered in. I met many of the providers I still see today through that agency so skids were greased so to speak and the providers I saw became excellent references.
That one time I was asked for an ID was a near disaster, lol. She was off the deep end, called that large now defunct agency and screamed at them for 10 minutes while I sat there trying to make an escape. At one point while she's yelling at the agency, she turned her back and I got up and headed for the door. Damn, didn't make it, she turned around and screamed "Where are you going? Get your ass back here!" This was the one and only time I was truly frightened by a provider so I made my way back to the bed and sat down. Once she was done yelling at the agency, she came over and it was like nothing had happened. I really REALLY wanted to leave, I told her she could keep the donation and I'd leave. I called that session Scary Sex which I never knew could be so hot when you're wondering if you're about to be murdered by a girl, LOL.
I'm sorry if a hobbyist is very established why would you ask for an ID, I can understand if it's a newby, I requires that for newbies but someone who has over 30-40 reviews w/upscaled providers... I'm sorry I have to agree w/PP on this one... I'm not a member of rs2k, so I don't really screen thru them... I ask for other methods... So far my screening process has kept me safe & haven't had any problems.... But each to their own...
You have your own comfort levels, other ladies also have theirs so to question it is almost as rude as questioning someones rates. You screen your way, she will screen hers and I will screen mine. None is wrong, all work for the given person. Stay safe and I hope your screening methods continue to work well for you
Oh and just because someone is a regular board poster and has a bunch of reviews does not mean anything. Tons of guys write reviews to keep free memberships, doesn't make a guest legit. Just like them posting here regularly doesn't make a guest legit either. Many ladies do not use TER at all and may not be privy to that info anyway
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First of all that's my point to each to their own, 2nd-I wasn't talking about the board posters, I was talking about a hobbyist with reviews of upscaled & reputable providers, I don't ever see board trolls & most of their lists of whom they see aren't upscaled providers..... 3rd-my screening has worked for me... But I'm not one to take just anyone, I'm very picky on whom I see... Going back to my first statement to each to their own - I have my way & you have yours...
Everyone has their comfort levels, both providers and hobbyists. I know for a fact that I do much more screening on providers than they do on me simply because I have much more time to do internet searches, talk with the other guys, etc. Providers can't spend forever screening so each of you has found a comfort level with your own methods. Some change their methods based on others comments or from a bad experience. There are basic things that should be done but every provider has her own set of custom rules. No point in dissing each others methods, you're all different and screening is simply about making you feel as comfortable as possible with a minimal amount of time and effort expended.
If you ladies knew how much time I spent checking you out before ever contacting you, you'd think I'm crazy, LOL.
I've been using RS2K and Date-Check for years and no escort has ever asked me for an ID and I don't see anyone who would ask for one either. If we met you'd know real name but I wouldn't know yours, now you want my address as well? No thanks.
I'm pretty confident that every reviewer that says he's never shown an ID has in fact, shown ID in the beginning, established himself with referrals, wised up and no longer puts his information out there.
I think there are some very good reasons to keep your information private, especially if you are a regular hobbiest. The more people you see, adds to the likelihood you'll meet someone not perfectly sane.
Same occurs on our side.
But, I am unable to see this group based on my standards, and that's fine with me. Plus, I probably already saw some of you back in the agency days and checked your ID then!
I, for one, love to simply state full name (on ID) and no one is confused.
I also mention it via phone when confirming because I'd hate for someone to leave it in their car and have to go home;-
I may be the rare exception but I've only shown my ID once... the incident outlined above and that was long after I entered the hobby and long after that former large agency had given me the green light. BTW, that large agency had none of my real information so when they went down, I was completely safe unlike a few providers who were caught up in the sting. After the provider freaking out when my ID didn't match my hobby name, that was the first and last time for the ID thing. The only reason she freaked out was because the agency had not given her the normal OK for me that other providers got. It was an agency screw up along with their other screw ups that eventually brought them down. I'm VERY glad I never gave them my real info and very glad I had a loyal provider friend who kept me informed about everything going on with that agency as LE tore them apart. I heard about every provider involved in bringing them down and I felt very bad for them and very lucky for myself.
I started in this hobby via a short phone call with a TER girl advertising on EROS. No ID was ever shown, she hooked me up with her friends, I wrote some reviews and have hobbied by reference ever since. I guess I was lucky at the beginning and in a time when things weren't as hot as they are now. I understand your point of view and I'm glad you see my point as well.
Brooke makes an excellent point - the ID does you little good once a hobbiest is in your place or you're in his outcall. If he's a bad guy, it's too late for you unless you have someone close by for protection.
Another thing to consider - it's very easy to get a fake ID to match our hobby name and I'll bet guys have shown you fake IDs and you were completely unaware. If I was a bad guy, I would have gotten a fake ID long ago and would have been easily screened and matched at meeting time. I wouldn't do this because I'm a good guy and it would be misleading the provider if not downright scary for her. If she found out I was using a fake ID, I'd be washed up in this hobby. The reward is most definitely not worth the risk IMO.
You're right that the more our real info gets out, the more likely we will be brought down. Only a few providers know who I am (mostly by accident, lol). I have no choice now but to trust them and I do because each of them have never done anything bad. However, I see no reason to add to the existing list so I skip those who demand ID or any real screening info. I really do believe that you ladies should put more trust in providers who are well known and well reviewed. I'm sure you know most of the best providers in Chicago Tiffany and you know who you can trust. Would me showing you an ID once I'm in your incall make you feel safer than some of your provider friends telling you they've seen me multiple times and that I'm completely safe? Maybe a combo of both makes you feel safest. I rely on the guys to let me know if a provider is BSC and to stay away from her. I trust these guys and don't know them from Adam.
Excellent reply by the way and thanks for seeing both sides of the issue
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Yes, mainly I agree that you have to be able to respect both sides and not dictate to others how they hobby/provide. I respect your point of view also and if I were a hobbiest, honestly I'd be like you! No way would I give a ton of girls my information.
Now understand though, I do not see big time hobbiests because I am more of a repeat kind of encounter. It works best for me at this stage in my life and I consider my risk lowered that way.
So, if I were a prospective client that wants to meet just a few ladies, I'd look for providers that screened with the message that they have as much to lose as I do.
The clients and hobbiests I do see trust my professionalism and discretion.
Additionally, if a bad guy shows up it's best to get the hell out as fast as possible! I do however, believe that we teach others how to treat us. If I value myself, others tend to value me. It is not always the case, but it is worthy of noting.
That said, I would not want anyone to meet up with a violent person, man or woman. There is no place for that here. I've been lucky and calculate my risk to err on the safe side. No is better that oh fuck anyday.
For the record, I do not understand the idea of pimps. What would a lingerie model need one for anyway?
I do however believe in a buddy system. If I go missing, one of my provider friends will know where I was last and knows where to find with whom I was with.
I also have several screening techniques that would flag whether your hobby name has any real life other info and whether that info is consistent with the gentleman I talk to during our phone date.
If it doesn't that's a no-go. But there are 5 steps for my safety which I do NOT take lightly.
I realize, I'm lucky not to have to take chances.
One more point...
I can see we are clearly headed in a direction where provider & hobbiest referrals (trusted and personally known) could pave the way to a safer environment for everyone.
I've been working on creating a companion connection that would allow friends to swap friends seamlessly. I do see people my girlfriends have seen during duos without the requirement of verification. That being said, I also, will take the introduction from a trusted provider at a meet and greet of a new client if I personally know her. It makes perfect sense.
Thanks for the post
which is essentially what you are asking your friends to trust by itself without additional checking(reviews mean nothing really other then you know how to write, tons of fake ones out there) is that if a provider is busted some can and have co-op with LE in order to reduce the very common drug charge that ends up many times traveling with a prostitution rap. Even high end girls can be pinched, that was proven in Pheonix just recently when an entire group of high end ladies got busted by informants.
For me real info is essential so I can do additional checking to make sure my guest is who they say they are and do not have a violent criminal record. If I can't do that then there is no way I will feel safe even if the reference is my best friend. It is all about comfort and you have to admit, if it has kept me as pretty much the longest timer in the area who has never been busted, 13+yrs, i must be doing something right. Let me find some wood to knock on real quick. I will keep on doing what I feel safe with and you will all do what you do. But know I protect all of my guests by never keeping any electronic media at my incall so that anything I might have is protected. Also that I have no carrying info on me on a daily that links to my home, it all links to my incall to protect my home. Call me crazy careful but that is the way it is.
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You have your close group of friends and I'm sure you trust them if they tell you a client is safe. Granted, you can never be absolutely sure they haven't been nabbed and turned by LE but my guess is you trust those few women a lot. They're probably the only ones you trust in this biz and I understand why that is. Your comfort level is at a higher threshold than others, some of you ladies have more to lose than others which accounts for why you take more precautions. The same is true on our side, some of us have a lot more to lose than others so we're a lot more careful about letting our real info out to people we don't know. This hobby is strange - we're expected to bare all to perfect strangers. In the civvie world aka the real world, we would never reveal this kind of information to perfect strangers. It takes a long time to build enough trust to take a risk like that in the real world. It's a strange business and our hobby world is odd in many respects.
To be clear, I'm not arguing for or against the requirement of showing an ID. I'm not even arguing a provider's requirement for real info for screening. We all do or don't do what makes us feel comfortable and there's nothing wrong with this. However, your web site is your selling point and a reputable provider should put her requirements clearly stated on her site. If she hides something on purpose or by accident, it leads to the situation I found myself in. Bummed out, disappointed, and having no choice but to cancel the appointment so the provider and I wouldn't be put in a bad position that at the least would result in resentment and at the worst, possibly a black-listing entry on NBL. I spent quite a bit of time checking her out after the email stating that I had passed screening, all of it wasted time.