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I have a more detailed response, but I'm at my civvie job and big brother doesn't like his slaves to spend much time doing non-work stuff lol.

Plus I'm on my phone and the hand cramp is ridiculous!

I'm curious to know how frequently women find a man that is HAPPY to get to know you for about 1/2hr prior to moving on to 4th base. (specifically in Chicagoland)

I'm new, but wondering if the thought of this is rare or even unrealistic.

Thanks in advance for any feedback!

-- Modified on 7/5/2010 9:29:59 PM

Jordan,

This is a tough question in tough economic times.

I always opt for a 1 hour first meeting because so much is based on chemistry. Something that can only be determined in person.

The scenario for me is if we click I can always come back for more.

But if we don't? 2 hours with someone who you don't have that connection to would be excrutiating at least for me.

I usually know in my core within the first 10 minutes whether I will want to come back. It isn't only about reviews and service. It's also about your smell and taste and if your kisses make my heart race.

I normally only book 1.5 to 2 hr meetings. Seems to make everybody more at ease. But thats just me.

Its economic.

If a half hour is 150,  an hour 250-300,  two hours 450-550.   I know I'd rather go for three one half hour sessions than one two hour session.  

My funds are limited and it is what I can reasonably afford.

Also for two hours you would want a certain chemistry but its a big outlay of money for something that may not be a good match even if she is well reviewed.

Hon, I would think that any man would be HAPPY to get to know you for more than 2 hours prior to moving to any base if the economic conditions allowed for it or if the economy wasn't even a factor.  You are an incredibly beautiful woman and I can not imagine any man not wanting to be with you only for (or less than) the small amount of time that even 2 hours actually is.

I would spend the day/night/week with you getting to know you if funds were not an option simply because I would thoroughly enjoy doing anything with you even if it was to simply walk along the beach somewhere with you for just 5 minutes.

It's not a rare thought to want to, it's just sadly economically unrealistic in most cases; especially today.

As some of the previous responses on this thread indicate, economic concerns press many hobbyists to seek the most efficient manner of encounter.

Additionally, I was told by a veteran Chicago provider a few years ago that most hobbyists are only interested in "hitting it" and leaving.

Thus, considering the very nature of hobbyists along with economic issues, it is perhaps too much to expect a compensated "getting to know you" period.

In any case, with your beauty and sweet nature, I am certain that you will be happy and successful as an escort.

An interesting question, the kind that we need more of on this board.
I am going to take your question as it may have been meant -- all other things (including money) being equal, how many men want to get to know a provider as a person as part of the session?  My guess is most of them, judging in part by the responses you have gotten.

I agree with what's been said about the chemistry.  There are those with whom i've been happy to spend extended time with.  I've had some enjoyable times getting to know someone 1/2 hour prior to fun time or hang around a little afterwards.   There have been others with whom I was happy to pop and be on my way asap, at times even prior to alloted time.  

Also, I'm sure it goes both ways, for both providers and the hobbyists.

I'm totally new to this and I was lucky to have met a beautiful sexy provider my first time, who I seemed to connect with.  We spent about 30 minutes talking and laughing before we got going physical.  I really thought that was cool. She didn't mind going over a little.  I tipped her a bit more for it.  I'll measure all of my future encounters based on that first time.

And I got charged for the time.  

No disrespect, but getting to know you?  We DON'T get to know you.  We get to know the persona that is presented.  Yes, after an exchange or two with providers we have "chemistry" with, we learn a few things, but most have personal lives outside of the hobby and they protect their privacy.  And as my example exemplifies, this is a business where time is money.

There are providers I would love to see with multiple hour minimums that are quite expensive(I know, all things are relative) and I ain't sure I have the stamina lol.  But I am not interested in paying that premium just to simply have a conversation.


I have a more detailed response, but I'm at my civvie job and big brother doesn't like his slaves to spend much time doing non-work stuff lol.

Plus I'm on my phone and the hand cramp is ridiculous!

Sure, they (or we) exist (I am one), but I suspect we are rare.  I think it depends on what the hobbyist is looking for.  If it's strictly sex, he would not want to pay for conversation.  If it's a more complex feeling of attachment or intimacy (or at least the illusion of attachment or intimacy), sure.  It is difficult to agree to spend $X per hour to talk to someone.  Some providers, including my ATF, structure their rates to "discount" longer visits.  This reduces the pain for me.  Moreover, I find that, with repeat visits and getting to know the person better, the talk part of the visit actually becomes worth more to me.  But, again, one size does not fit all, and I suspect I am definitely in the minority.

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Ladies list their rates and always put "preferred" in parenthesis next to multiple hour appointments for new clients. Sure , it's preferred for her because it's a cash cow for her but it's a bad and potentially costly approach to the hobby for a guy. Validate that the girl is to you liking and chemisty exists before you start jumping into multiple hour sessions, not after.  When I see a provider pushing the costly sessions for new clients I view her as being greedy.

That said, I used to always book at least 90 mins or 2 hours on subsequent visits to ladies I liked.  But it's not worth it anymore.

I agree with a previous poster that often you know in the first 10 minutes if you really have chemistry. If I can tell by any of the factors available from a lady's online presence to perhaps the conversation we have when setting up the appointment (whether by phone or email, as/if applicable) then yeah I'm more than willing to book longer. It makes the time better for me if the connection is established.

However, in this realm unless I can determine this I won't for a first meeting. For a subsequent one, yes. But for a first meeting it takes a lot more than a pretty picture. It takes personality and something to draw me in.

I like the two hour sessions because I take a long time to finish. The two hour period also allows the lady and me to explore different positons, and find one we really like and can repeat! It also allows us to chat some and helps establish better chemistry.
In all my hobbying, I have regretted the two hour seesion maybe twice! If you pick a lady with good reviews, you know what you can expect. That is why I like TER; for the information it provides.

I'm sure there are some men who are happy to pay for someone to talk to.  I'm not one of them.  I have plenty of people to talk to.  This business for me is all about 4th base, as you put it.  

That's not to say I haven't had nice talks before and after with some fine ladies.  Julie who worked at Michelles 10 years ago could keep pace with me.  Since my preferred demographic as pertains to this hobby is hot and young, (I get older, the women I see stay the same age...) I'm usually happier when they are not talking so much. :)

All in all, if I feel like talking I will.  Nothing is more annoying than just being in the mood for some hot monkey love and listening to some chick drone on avoiding the matter at hand.

In my opinion, the perfect escort is the one that attacks you at the door for a full 50 minutes of wild weasel wrasslin.  

Would love to go to dinner with a "date", or even dinner and movie and then some playtime afterward.

It's just not practical...  I have a limited "play" budget that is already not enough $$$.

A civvie date with your established GF... Nice dinner $100, movie with goodies $50, "free playtime" (it's never really free) so a civvie date is ~$150 for a few hours. Doing that every weekend comes to $600 a month + the bs that goes along with the "it's never really free" part.

If I was making six figures it may be different. $600 a month may not be much to someone who bills $300 an hour but believe me it is to someone who makes $30 an hour.

That same date with a provider... Dinner $100 movie $50 the few hours together $700-$900.  that's $850-$1100 for a similar night of fun. If you picked the right lady the BS factor is 0 (a plus).

This scenario is gonna run you $3400 - $4200 a month if you play every weekend like if you were dating.  To guys out there that can swing that awesome...  good for them.  If I won the lottery I'd swing it too but short of that, I imagine  most of us just cannot afford it.

Something has to go... The dinner and movie... unless you are our civvie GF, then that part can stay because the playtime and being together parts are "free" (not really). Many of us like the companionship and the fun of real "dating" but not at that cost.

I hope I don't sound like I'm bitching about providers being expensive.  I can understand why the ladies charge what they charge for playtime.  I'm sure the WK's will tell me I'm in the wrong "hobby" too.

If I were to see a provider a few times that became a regular and she said to me "Hey I'm not busy at X time lets do dinner and a movie and then some playtime for the regular price" I'd probably jump at the idea.  so far that has not happened to me.  I don't expect it will anytime soon. :)

My last Ex-civvie GF and I had an arrangement similar.  She laid it out early she didn't want a serious relationship and was looking to just "have some fun".  We both pretty much did what we wanted. Got together on weekends for Dinner/Movie/fun and other times just to hang out together or go to a ball game etc. That "just want to have fun" was running me $600-$900 a month and I was content, no love involved but otherwise I was mostly satisfied. After 5 years she decided I wasn't spending enough $$$ on her while we were together.  The BS factor went way up and the fun factor went down. So I told her I wouldn't be seeing her anymore. It is rare that I see her now and when I do it's usually free or very low total cost, sometimes fun, sometimes not.

Strange thing is in my mind our arrangement for 5 years was P4P I identified that from the start. She would not call it that and would be highly offended if you lay it out to her that way, but she used to enjoy exchanging sexual favors for a small shopping spree at the local Nordstrom.

Anyway...  if money was no object and I had it falling out of my asshole I'd probably take every provider I see out to dinner and a movie.  Then again maybe not I'd probably have one or two sugar babies instead.

I always do 2 hour or more likely overnight dates with my ATFs when I can, and interestingly I actually almost never see my ATFs if I can only spend an hour!?

But, for girls who are new to me, or where I like someone enough to see them again but maybe not an ATF, I prefer shorter visits.

I think the most interesting question is really: why do YOU want your clients to book the 2+ hour dates?  Are you truly interested in getting to know your clients, or in letting them get to know you?  Are you desirous of having the feelings of being in a relationship?  Are you just looking to make a little more money?  Are you looking for someone to save you?  I don't know you (yet) so I don't take those as personal please.  But I have met providers with each of those motives who always wanted longer bookings, and my reaction varied depending on that motive (at least as I perceived it).

Here are my thoughts on the 2+ hour dates and why/why not:

1) Its a big investment for a first time, not just in money but in my time.  Taking two hours away from my job is a big commitment for me in any case.  So I rarely take the 2 hour date if I can get less with a girl I haven't met.  If I am not really excited by someone (on all levels) I would really rather not spend time talking; or worse, I may just not be "up" for a second cup if I am not stimulated emotionally as well as physically ... but then feel like I have to stick around for the whole time so as not to offend.  That is horribly uncomfortable!

2) The girls I spend more time with are always "real" and are not presenting a "persona" at least with me.  The persona is the biggest turnoff in terms of spending more time and most girls don't show their real self in this business (understandably - don't get me wrong - I get it).  For those few who open up and are real with me, I prefer to spend as much time as I can on a date (assuming basic chemistry as well).  It is a turn on before and after the date.  Obviously, this doesn't happen a lot, so back to #1 it is usually a relationship over time.

3) For me, two hours doesn't really add much to the physical part.  I really need 3 to enjoy multiple cups.  One provider who I saw last year allowed me to split a 3 hour date (her minimum) over two visits in the same day.  THAT was a great idea and something like that would be a good way (for me) to buy into a longer first date with someone new.

4) In generally, a big discount for multiple hours are the most important reason I might do a 2+ hour date on a first try.  If I am going to spend an hour getting to know someone and risk it not working for me, it helps when there is a first time option for multiple hours that is affordable.  

5) One thing I have never understood is why girls who say they want to get to know their clients don't have better options for the "dinner" date.  For example, a girl who charges $300 per hour may offer a four hour "dinner" date for $1,200.  If I am buying dinner (usually at a fairly expensive locale if I take a girl out), we are going to spend 3/4 of that time at the dinner and transport, and only one hour in closer proximity.  And I end up paying $500 for dinner plus $1,200 for the "time".  While I understand that for girls who really would rather not get to know their clients (the majority I suspect), if you are truly interested in getting to know your client I think you might consider not charging time during the dinner (assuming its a 4-5 star place), and only charge for time spent alone after the dinner ...

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