Yeah, that's a hard "no," I don't care how hot your girls are.  Handing over incriminating evidence (as well as blackmail material) is not worth it.   If you won't accept a dozen "okays" on 411, then I'll take my business elsewhere, thank you.

So we can avoid them.

More than one!  A couple months ago I had set something up with one agency when they informed me that they needed my full name, DL number, all sorts of shit, that the provider would verify upon arrival.  I said thanks but no thanks.  And today I looked at getting verified by another agency, which again involved sending over my DL.   What's confusing to me is that these agencies have girls with reviews, so clearly some guys are handing over that info.

I would need to know that the agency had a long-standing, amazing reputation AND that they verify all of their employees the same way. Likewise, I wouldn't trust a verification service that didn't verify both ways. I need to know that the provider has been verified with real ID - not references from other providers. When everybody provides their ID, it just proves that everyone has good intentions, IMHO. If a provider has given her real ID to a verification service, she's hard-pressed to attempt any sort of blackmail situation. Can anyone recall a blackmail story where both parties were verified? So rare!

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Never do it. Risks are obvious.

Hey guys- So, I wanted to chime in to give you guys a little input from this side. I am both a provider, and I help some other ladies with screening. Believe me, we do not want to have to ask for your ID. But, there have been instances in the past, of gentlemen sharing P411 accounts, and I would assume that is one of the reasons that they require it. And, from what I know- all agencies require their girls to produce ID's to ensure they aren't under age. As far as indy providers go, we have to submit our Id to the ad sites, to ensure we are not underage. Personally, whether screening for myself or one of the girls that I assist, I always delete any sensitive information that you provide, and then tag you as being verified.  

I am not saying that you shouldn't be hesitant to who you give your ID to, I am just saying that most of us (agencies or indys) can be verified through our reviews, being authenticated on some sites, among other ways. And, if you do your research on the agency, you can find the ones that are trust worthy of sending your ID to.  

Also, a lot of places will accept P411, and then you should only have to give your first name, and just make sure that the rest of your handle can be confirmed with your ID. (Jon-02-M-1111) The way that P411 has it set up, is those numbers should correlate to something in your wallet. Don't quote me on this though, you may want to look at P411 and make sure what the rules are in regards to that.  

Well, thats my 2 cents for what its worth.

You do realize that P411 states that you need to give the provider your ID at the beginning of the date so she can verify that you are the account holder if she asks? How else are we supposed to know you are who you are? I'm not understanding why this is such a big deal. You think handing over your ID is bigger than us handing over our body to someone who doesn't want to verify that he is and behind closed doors. How do we know you aren't a friend of the account holder? It's not like you have photos for us to compare the guy on the other side of the door with.

That being said there are plenty of providers who do not require ID. I don't if you fully comply with the rest of my screening, but if I ask I expect you to comply or see someone else.

I'm not talking about physically showing a provider an ID when I arrive (although I've been asked to do that exactly once out of dozens of sessions).  I can kind of see where you're coming from there.  I'm talking about sending a scan of my license to an agency for verification.  No way am I going to create that kind of paper trail.  If that agency gets busted, what better evidence would prosecutors need than a record of me sending my own freaking driver's license to them?  What am I going to say, someone stole my license?  No thank you.

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I used to just call the number, speak with the girl and arrange the meeting. Nowadays everyone wants employment information or reference. Is there a way to avoid it? I am a married professional guy who has a lot to lose, the screening requirement makes me very apprehensive.

If your are too scared to play then fuck someone from your office or test your luck at a bar.  I'm sure your a nice guy but we also need to weed out weirdos and sociopaths.

Sorry, there's a huge difference between showing a lady your ID and sending a copy of it to an agency.  Duh!

Some providers also require you to send them a photo of your ID before you see them as verification. Again, everyone is different.

Why would you think it's safer to see a girl who you randomly called? That sounds more like a set up than someone asking for your info. lol I understand you're a married professional but come on... you're that worried about being cause just stay home and fuck your wife. Problem solved. and it's always low level employees who wouldn't even make the news paper if he got busted... no one cares about your job or wife, we want to make sure you're not psycho. Same reason why you want us to have reviews and a web presence... lol

Yeah seeing as I don't want to get raped or murdered I'm going to ask for verification and screening til the end of time. No plan on jeopardizing my business and safety over one appointment.

Yeah, I verify through my website screening form on website or via email. I am a mature drama free woman but I really have no patience for the "whiners" that say that they have so much to lose. I can be raped/murdered by who I let into my home. I can lose where I live (I rent a town home) if my landlord and homeowners association gets wind of an arrest. So I am either out on the street or dead. For who has the most to lose, it's me (and my provider "sisters" that do this).  

I get a lot of cops that call but as soon as I talk verification, they hang up (and I can tell by now by the tone in their voices who they are). I have just avoided being arrested and having my phone taken as evidence which protects BOTH me and you. The ones that don't verify, good luck because many of them could be working with the cops to trap "Johns".  

Good luck, as I expect "skippy" will be lonely. My blog on my website talks about him a lot.

I understand verification and even confirming by showing at ID at the first meeting.   But I recently had a lady tell me that she would make a copy of my ID for her files.   Maintaining files like that is just a bad idea!

I can only speak as to my practices but I do purge/delete everything upon verification but I add the new client into my phone with notes on how they verified. Yes ID shown upon entrance to my place.

...and depending on our level of involvement in this industry, the risks are incredibly high.
Let's just look at the legal ramifications (since we all know about the rates of murder/violence that are perpetrated against sex workers, right?).

If a provider gets pinched, it's a class A misdemeanor. It's an offense that can be expunged, but it can take multiple years. Depending on sentencing, there's a max penalty of a year in prison and/or $2500 in fines. If a provider drove and the cops knows she drove, her car will be impounded to the tune of up to $3k (if she happened to get caught within 500 feet of a school).  

Much of the same happens for clients that get busted, as well (unless of course, you happen to be a client who starts organizing women/running an agency/pimping/etc).

Here's where the split happens, since a lot of us share space and work collectively.

There's a category of offenses that's known as "advancing prostitution":
"Advancing Prostitution (Soliciting another for the purpose of prostitution (aka running an agency), arranging a meeting for the purposes of prostitution (aka booking and scheduling), directing another for the purpose of prostitution (aka running a agency, arranging a duo between 2 independent providers, or being a booker/screener) or keeping a place of prostitution (running an incall, running an agency that provides a static incall, being a collective of independent providers that shares space)) = Class 4 felony – 1-3 years in jail and/or fines up to $25,000. Not sealable/expungable without a formal pardon."

Couple that with offering work space or lodging to a provider who's crossing state lines to work? That's now a federal felony that comes with federal prison time.  You all should be very, very aware of the very real consequences of the current federal and state laws that have passed and how they dramatically limit the ability of providers to work collectively and safely.  

It is imperative to know exactly what you're up against in any business venture you decide to engage in. I understand the risks that I take in order to provide the services I do, both to clients as well as other providers.  

Bottom line is this, my friends. It is not the year 1995. It is the year 2017. If we all stand around and wish for the "good ol' days" when law enforcement was concerned with drugs, we'd all turn to dust.  

So really, until you can catch a federal conviction and end up in federal prison for only being a client, I suggest you count your blessings. That high level of entry not only protects me and my associates, it protects everyone who has ever or will ever see me.  

 
But again, you can always see folks that have different screening methods and requirements.  

And to be frank, if y'all are seriously so worried about your information getting out there, why do less than 5% of clients actually utilize email services that allow for end-user encryption for both users? We can have protonmail and hushmail and Virtru accounts until the cows come home but it doesn't mean a thing unless you all utilize them too.  

Come on, now.

She's right ya know....I'm just saying.

"...services that allow for end-user encryption for both users? We can have protonmail and hushmail and Virtru accounts until the cows come home but it doesn't mean a thing unless you all utilize them too.  "

At best those services are 'near-end-user' encryption, not 'end-user'.  Hence why they are not truly secure.   Hushmail even helped LE decrypt and bust a bunch of people some years back.  

When you're typing your message on a website or app, then having that website/app encrypt it, that message is first typed unencrypted and can be read if they were so inclined.   Only writing this message on your computer, encrypting it yourself, then pasting that glob into the website/app would then be considered true 'end-user encryption'.

Another problem with these is a man-in-the-middle attack.  You're trusting that company to give you the encryption key of the other person... but the company could provide you with an alternate one, intercept/decrypt, then pass/encrypt that message onto the other end with the correct key.   That is if they don't already have some sort of backdoor masterkey already written into their encryption protocol.  

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And to just comment on the other substance of your post:

I personally do not have anything to lose by sending out a pic of my DL... but I see it as pointless anyhow and would not see that provider.  I see it about as helpful to you and yours as asking all clients if they're LE; perhaps it makes providers feel better, but it wouldn't stop LE from lying and busting them... LE is allowed to lie, especially about being LE.  And since LE is allowed to lie, photoshpping an DL isn't really that difficult even if you don't really know PS.  Background check that ID all you want, it isn't going to tell you that they are LE.  I mean I'm even sure they could just call up the DMV and have the SOS just make the officer a bunch of fakes, if that's what they wanted to do.  

People seem to think background checks are going to stop everything... yet if that were true we wouldn't have any crime.  A background checked muslim yesterday could be a terrorist mass-killer tomorrow.  The background check is not an oracle into the future.   And besides, the background checks used are just low level online types, if they even actually do them... it's not like they do an FBI background where the person gets printed/photographed at the FBI office and run through the real systems.  

TL;DR  Crappy background checks only give a false sense of security.

Agreed, Neil.  I'm headed to Chicagoland for business the first couple days of the week,and wanted to book some companionship.  The four girls I was really interested in... all work for a couple different agencies that expect my driver's license (photo/scan of it no less), employer job title, etc.  No way, no thanks, adios ladies.  That's way too much.  

When it gets to be that much information, we have no idea who is sitting on the other side of the computer receiving that... and they can say "we promise we'll delete your information" all they want... I can't trust it.  Likewise, what a wonderful tool for LE someday... all of that information.  Again, no thanks.  Not worth it.  

Maybe I'll be lonely sitting in a hotel in the Northern burbs... but I also won't be blackmailed, extorted, or find out my identity is being used by 50 people in a year.  

Wow, first off, it is a small percentage of providers (usually drug abusers and ones with pimps) that are like that (involved in extortions/blackmails and robberies). Granted, yes, you hear those stories and it doesn't seem worth it. But a vast majority of us independent mature providers are less likely to be drama filled and drug abusers. I have some great mature clients and I love what I do. I don't get involved in their private lives and every one of them in the last two years I have been verifying did not have problems providing what I needed to feel secure in entertaining them at my private townhouse. Yes, I require two methods of verification but I am guessing the complaining gentlemen are not ones I would have much fun with anyway so it's easy to cut them off rather quick with a no. Thank you, you have provided me with another blog topic tonight.

Yes... note what you're saying:  *You* don't.  Ready to vouch for every agency out there demanding Driver's license and address, full name, Employer and job title, etc?  100% beyond a shadow of a doubt convinced they erase all the info immediately, and that all who may see it are 100% trustworthy?  

Likewise, madam, the complaining gentlemen will no doubt rest easier without handing you all of their personal information... enough for any competent identity thief to work with and more, btw.  As I said previously:  No thanks.  

Blog to your heart's content!  I'm not entitled to your services, and you're not entitled to my business and enough personal info to ruin my life and finances.  Good evening, madam.