I am just returning to the hobby after a hiatus(a mess known as marriage). Just trying to get opinions, I just applied with RS2k for verification.
Was it a good move?RS2K has been discussed ad nauseum on this board.
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CTP fancies himself the Sheriff of this board and gets a little carried away sometimes.
I prefer P411 to RS2K. Why? P411 protects my anonymity more than Rs2k. With Rs2k, you have to give the provider your first and last name.
With all the BSC providers out there these days, I don't feel comfortable giving one of them the info that Rs2k requires.
Now, I know some people will respond by saying that if we behave ourselves and treat the provider with respect, we have nothing to worry about. At one time, I would have agreed with you. However, I have seen enough incidents where BSC providers out guys for non-malicious errors on the guy's part, simple misunderstandings etc.
I'm not a P411 member yet but maybe I'll join some day. I'll never join RS exactly for this reason. You never know when a provider may get a bug up her butt and use your info for devious purposes. With every RS provider knowing your real name, you're asking for trouble down the road when you least expect it.
When I started, I found a provider on Eros who trusted me enough to see me based on a phone conversation. I know this sounds crazy these days but the first girl I saw had a keen sense for LE and bad guys. Once I saw her, I saw some of her friends, started writing reviews, and gradually built up a reference system based on well-reviewed providers. If a provider absolutely demands my real info, I pass. She's not giving me her real info, why should I give her mine? And Alyson, I understand your concerns about safety but the ladies around you who have seen us will give you a much better picture of how we behave. There's no guarantee that LE couldn't easily set you up with his real name, get verified on RS, and you'd get busted just like what happened in Indiana a few years back. RS is definitely a provider-oriented service which is why you ladies like it so much. For us guys, it's rather dangerous. I'd go P411 if it came down to using a verification service and I wouldn't give out my real information.
You have to provide your full name (as it appears on your ID) to every provider you want to see. Your full name is part of the screening process. I was very surprised by this and I don't remember being informed of that until AFTER I submitted my info and fee to rs2k for them to initially accept me.
If giving out your full name is not an issue for you, than RS2K in Chicago is a great way to go.
But remember that every girl you see will have your full info. So if you see 10 new girls over 10 years, that's 100 different people who have your info stored somewhere........ in their phones, in their laptops, in their e-mail or text history, maybe written down somewhere........
are you serious, every provider gets your real name? no fuckin' way!
Yep! You are verified by using your full legal name. If you go to their sign up form, they say: "You will be assigned a specific way to identify yourself to providers." I find that statement to be a little funny and misleading. What was a assigned? My full legal name? 
I think the sign up for should include a disclaimer.
I initially signed up for rs2k because I was new to the hobby and I was self-employed. So it would have been impossible to get verified by most agencies and by many providers. I think even p411 asks for references as part of the sign up process. So rs2k with their flat one-time fee felt like a no-brainer to avoid the hassle of verifying multiple times.
rs2k is absolutely fantastic and would be very ideal if they could just assign an (anonymous) specific account ID # or something like that........ especially after providers have logged in and OK'd you (which I think they can do.... as well as add small comments about you for other providers to read.... I might be wrong).
It is great for most. But if you are at all nervous about being exposed and if you do your best to stay anonymous in the hobby, rs2k is definitely not for you.
I've used RS2K for the past two years. No problems. So you give out your full name, so what? Go to a restaurant and pay by credit card - guess what? You've not only given out your full name, but given your CC card# and the CCV# on back as well.
My point is that you give out info all the time. It doesn't take much to do a google search and find out even more info.
OK , so the provider has my name, now what? Unless she records me, like that chick from Maine did, then you can always deny and say somebody must have stolen your personal info. I'm sure I'm gonna get told off for this, but go ahead and tell me off. And then give up how you see one of the better providers that require your full name for verification. Don't just flame me, tell how it's done.
do you buy drugs with your credit card? why would you give a stranger in an illegal transaction who could destroy your life your real information? maybe she'll blackmail you or put you on a blacklist site, you're asking for a lot of trouble the moment you cross paths with a BSC hooker. it's not a matter of if, it's when.
there are other ways for providers to verify you. good references are the best.
I missed the qualifier "BSC". I don't know what BSC stands for.
Can someone fill me in, please?
"Batshit crazy." A lot of the guys on TER apparently think we're all a bunch of extortionists.
Can someone fill me in, please?
No, a lot of guys on TER think SOME of you are extortionists. Given the number of people that can be taken down by a single bad seed, you should understand our concern and not take this as a personal attack. After all, your profession, as much as I respect and enjoy using the services of, tends to attract a large number of ladies that are not on solid ground
My point is that you give out info all the time. It doesn't take much to do a google search and find out even more info.
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I'm not looking to get into a pissing contest here, but you've glossed over my point. The " many guys" you refer to that have been blackmailed, did they describe that there was incontrovertible proof that they indeed did the deed with a hooker? I'm not talking about blacklisting now. I'm talking about being outed unless they pay the bcs hooker. Because what's to stop anyone who is BSC from saying you did something like see a prostitute? If your identity was stolen, then everything is up for grabs, right? What's to say that some criminal who stole your identity didn't then use it as an alias for seeing a hooker? Or sold it to someone who used it? Unless theres a clear picture of you, I'd shrug my shoulders and say "looks like someone stole my identity". Hell, I just did a google search of my name - 13 others with the same name came up. Perhaps one of them is a monger, because it wasn't me! See what I'm getting at?
There's a big difference in societal perception of a victim of identity theft versus a person accused of patronizing prostitutes. In the former case, you don't lose your job nor do your friends or family look down on you. In the latter case, exposure is much worse than the crime itself. Your employer will fire you for even the accusation you saw a prostitute. In the former case, you're a victim of a crime. In the latter case, you're the perpetrator of the crime even if you're not proven guilty. Just look at LE busts - your pic is on the internet for the world to see and you haven't even been tried yet. Guilty until proven innocent is how things go in this hobby whether it's LE or some BSC hooker who plasters you on the net.
Evidence is irrelevant once a john is exposed. Not all of us have common names where we can claim it was someone else who was exposed.
Visa and Mastercard have set October 2015 for the cutoff date for them picking up the costs of fraud. Whoever doesn't support chip and pin by October 2015 will be forced to pick up the fraud cost whether they are the merchants or the banks issuing the credit cards. Do you really think the banks or merchants will accept responsibility for fraudulent charges? No way in hell and if they try to push the fraud back on the consumer, the media will eat them alive.
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My initial response to this thread was the fact that you're at risk no matter where you go and what you do.
I'm feeling stimulate as well as it's an illegal hobby. A bank transfer is an entirely new ball of wax.
I guess the real question is, since P411 requires real information as well, do you want to see the providers who require membership to sites who require your DL for verification, or are
Back channeling and screening is a must in these cases. But again, your pick gets thinner in ladies if you don't do these things.
Your risk - some quack has your real info
Our risk - some dude comes and kills us
Xo
C
provider ok's are enough to get membership, we're not required to give real info.
That's what I was told by a client.
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When registering for a P411 account you have to give them your personal information so the site can verify you are who you say you are. Not sure what exactly they do with that information (background check, etc.), but once they verify you, then the information gets destroyed (supposedly). When giving a provider your P411 information for screening, all they see is your P411 account profile and your OKs. Providers do not have access to the personal information that you submitted. Some providers will still ask for that information and it's then up to the hobbyist to decide if they want to divulge it or move on.
I'm 99.9% sure that with two Okays (it might be more, I don't remember), you can be approved without giving personal info.
When I registered with P411 three years ago, I had to submit a photocopy of my driver's license (and possibly have 2 providers vouch for me, I can't recall). It seems the rules may have changed since then. From their website:
"In order to set up your Preferred411 account we will most likely need personal information such as your name, phone number, and work information. The ONLY exception is if you have excellent provider references and are very well-established in the community. Your personal information is destroyed once we are able to verify you.
Please understand that we are going to confirm that you're a legitimate client somehow. We will usually check your employment info and/or provider references. If we can verify that you're a long time member (in good standing) of a community that may be another way we can verify you. All applicants must be verified to our satisfaction, and we can be pretty tough! If you are not prepared to provide this info or we cannot verify your info to our satisfaction, you will not be given Preferred411 membership. Remember, we do not keep any identifying information on file, this ensures the safety and comfort of us all!"
Apparently there are other ways they can verify a hobbyist, but in most cases one will need to give up personal information. Still, IMO it allow more anonymity than RS2K.
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I'm not sure about years past (I haven't been around long enough), but apparently references can be enough to get your foot in the door now. If they required everything (both personal info as well as Okays from P411 ladies), I'd be more apt to accept it as verification. However, after the Denver incident, it's just too risky.
Apparently they have become more lax in search of additional revenue. Another hobbyist has been trying to convince me to join P411 based on this assumption. I didn't believe it at first either, I was under the impression some sort of real info was required but he insists it can be done based solely on provider references. For me, a plus, for you, a minus. For that reason, I'm holding off joining - why should I pay for a service that providers feel isn't sufficient? Will it help me or is it money thrown away?
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yep but the provider might still ask for the name
most providers ask the full legal name anyway so what is the problem?
Only one of the 60+ providers I've seen have asked for my real info.
I tend to prefer it over p411 - though I accept both. I just have heard mixed opinions about the safety of p411 and I have NEVER heard anything bad about rs2k. Plus I email with Cathy and Callie all the time and they are both very sweet, helpful and understanding. I get more guys that verify through them as well. And concerning the ladies I know- I think that RS2K is considered safer. But thats just me - I was reading up on Date Check yesterday, and I found them to actually have a pretty creative process for verifying, and I wonder why it isn't utilized more in our area.
Bottom line, the lady will want to feel safe. And as long as you are comfortable providing as much information as she deems necessary, you will be successful.
Sorry for starting all this, but I am now verified!!!! I have no problem giving my name and showing my drivers licensee, I do when I get pulled over and these ladies are safer than most cops.
Have fun!!
My favorite screening method. I have never had a major issue with a RS person. Yes, some no shows but that is rare!
Most of my favorite clients r rs2k members! Most of them r no drama, great guys!!!
Screening with real info is mandatory with me. Not worth seeing someone who thinks they're more important than my safety. I decline many appointment requests for GOOD reason. Here's the way I see it. The more info I have on a client, the less likely they are to come rape, rob or kill me. It has kept me safe for several years so far.
This business is filled with different strokes for different folks. We all need to engage with people who fit what we are seeking. For me personally, screening is mandatory. I would not be able to give great service without it!
Happy Sunday to all from Schaumburg
Everyone on this thread has -excellent and valid points, even CTP...who is so tired of these posts...you can tell he's been here awhile... 
For the record I use both rs2k and p411
I've been hobbying for more than 15 yrs, and a member of rs2k since '99/2000.
So far so good....."Knock on Wood"
Let me just throw this out there. We (both hobbyist and provider ) have lot to lose if we get "bent" for some reason, and try to "out" each other... Never cool to ever consider.
If we act respectful, and responsibly toward each other, like the sex craved deviants we are, we'll all have great times.
In addition, with the tools we ea have at our disposal we should be able to avoid the pariah's of the community.
Be well and hobby safely
Was it a good move?
...lately I've had a lot of issues with guys unwilling to disclose their full names to me, and that's all well and good. I don't see them. Now, those of you who are unwilling to disclose information such as a full name, what information are you willing to give (this is particularly for guys who don't use verification services, and for those of you who didn't always use them, to think back about what you did before you did use them). I always tell potential clients that if they aren't p411 or rs2k members, then there are ways around with full names, phone numbers, email addresses, social media profiles, employers, etc. I think that's a fair compromise, especially since the other option of letting someone into my incall anonymously, is a lot more dangerous.
The problem I have with guys who aren't willing to disclose information is the fact that I'm verified in lots of venues. Most providers go through verification processes on 3-4 different sites, and some of those sites require government-issued ID for their verification processes. I do that to assure clients that I am who I say I am. I'd expect the same courtesy.
A note on references, too. Ive sent texts/emails out to 6 different providers this week alone, and only 2 of them responded to me, despite having "legit" ads on Eros. References only work if the person you're contacting decides to talk to you.
Blackmail certainly sucks, as does extortion. But your real identity is the only leverage I have when I answer the door
Erin, what's nice about p411 is that unless the provider asks for our ID, we don't have to give up our first and last name to her. The reason I'm hesitant to give my first and last name to providers is not because I have nefarious intentions. As I said earlier, there are a lot of BSC providers out there who will out guys for ridiculous purposes or engage in blackmail.
You sound like a reasonable person. Someone like you having my first and last name probably wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately, I can't say the same thing about all providers.
I suppose perhaps, that the providers that I know personally and the ones that I am friends with have always run their businesses in the utmost of professional manners. I don't have the time or energy to engage in blackmail activities (and believe me, there are people out there that have blackmail and financial domination fetishes, and i refuse them regularly). Not to mention, I'm pretty sure that engaging in those activities completely delegitimizes me, the hobby, and the job I do to the utmost. I'm not interested in any of those things.
I understand the p411 system, though i much prefer rs2k. I take both for the ease of my clients and to expand opportunities for myself.
Perhaps I'm just too lazy or not creative enough to constantly think of how to hurt or harm people, but that doesn't mean that everyone else thinks the same way. I get that. Just like not every client is abusive. I'd still rather turn down a client than take an anonymous person through my door, though. And really, verification is only an issue for those clients who aren't members of a verification service or who don't have legitimate references.
There may or may not be several BSC providers, but they do exist, and they make life miserable for their victims. I'm all for providers screening clients, but I also believe that clients should be screened in a way that preserves their privacy as much as possible. Although P411 is not perfect, I think they preserve our privacy MUCH more than RS2K.
I understand you and other providers preferring RS2K, and that's understandable. As another poster said on this thread, RS2K is very provider oriented. If you feel that RS2K most ensures your safety, keep using it. However, P411 protects my anonymity more, so that is why I am using that more and am leaning away from RS2K.
it's that there are a few BSC providers who have done great harm to clients who didn't deserve it. A less than stellar review is one trigger for BSC providers to go after us. The distrust when meeting new people exists on both sides, you distrust us, and we distrust you. Screening is a compromise that provides some semblance of safety for both of us but it only works when both of us are comfortable with the screening method.
You seem like a sane provider who isn't out to harm anyone but unfortunately, there are a few providers who demand 10/10 scores or else... When that review comes in and it's not as glowing as the provider expects, sometimes they go crazy on us. Word travels fast and we put up our guards. I skip providers who demand real info, no provider is worth that risk to me when I can find many others who will take references and not demand my real info. Those that do eventually become my references.
Like everything else in life, a few bad apples spoil it for the rest of us. Oh well...
The reason I love these sites it that I can see who has vouched for the gent!
I have used RS2K in the past and will definitely use it, but I prefer the other two over RS2K.
You've been around long enough to know which providers give trustworthy references and I'm sure you know exactly which providers to look for. And you're always free to contact them for further info.
The point is that most TER providers are trustworthy but there are some well-known blackmail and extortion artists here. Why hobbyists see these BSC providers is beyond me and most of us know who they are and avoid them.
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