Personally I have no problem with deposits. Actually in most cases I would happily pay up front if I could do so. I do this with a certain visiting provider who is here a couple times a year. I also did that once with someone else years ago and she didn't rip me off either.
But most seem to not want to do business online (maybe for good reason). And I can tell you a lot of guys will refuse to pay a deposit. Another thing to consider is a cancellation policy. If someone cancels with less than 24 or 48 hours notice (or whatever time frame you want), you require a cancellation fee of a certain percentage of your regular fee. Post it prominently on your website and all your listings so it is clear up front. Then at least your costs are covered. If someone refuses to pay the cancellation fee in spite of it being known up front, you can blacklist them. And if the person is a regular or for some other reason you don't want to charge them, you can just tell them to not worry about it. That type of policy puts you in the driver's seat and I think is better then requiring deposits.A highly-rated lady recently was forced to cancel a trip to Chicago because she got so many cancellations. I know things happen, I've had to cancel a time or two, but this seems to be something more. When almost everyone cancels, that's just a bunch of immature jerks playing games. And it seems Chicago is notorious for it. She says she will never again plan to visit here, so thanks guys for ruining it for everyone else. Grow up.
DC and Philly are notorious for NCNS..we are unfortunately moving up the ladder of unreliability..these fucktards do not realize they are just messing things up for the guys who really want these ladies to visit..they book a room and flight and are out the money they spent because of all the cancellations..if this keeps up..the trend will be to get a 50% deposit on any pre-booking which a lot of guys will not go for..some of these ladies now do it..the rest might follow suit if this recent rash of NCNS continues..
They have no respect for the providers,no call no show cancellations it's happening a lot
And they will call back again to make appt like nothing happen,sorry that's not how it works
When u no call no show the providers are loosing there time and income because they respect
You and hoLd the appt for u,which they could easily schedule with someone else,And that
Causes them time and income,same goes with the cancellation
That's why I stopped going to DC . This is a very old and bad habit.While I was in Roanoke VA years and years ago, someone encouraged me to take the train to Union station for a 3 hr . So I did . He screened well but guess what? Upon my arrival mind you a new city there was no one there. It cost me an additional hotel $200 and the 5 hr sleeper cabin was $500 . He claimed he sent reimbursement but it never went through P.P. Luckily there was a great guy who I had become friendly with who took me to the airport. I'ts a bad joke to play on anyone and with reputable providers who have no history or shorting someone on services or NCNS themselves I'd rather forget going anywhere unless deposit is secured and my goal on budget is met. Guys seem to think we are rolling in money yet fail to consider
that we are not an 8 hr a day income person. Grow up is putting it lightly to some of them out there .
Ang
Chicago is getting a bad rep by these idiots with the constant cancelling. I hope the ladies are reporting these idiots to RS2K, P411, or a DNS site because I have a feeling they constantly cancel. These guys are just time wasters and have nothing better to do.
I get a lot of people wasting my time!
If I ever travel, which I plan to next summer, I def am going to get deposits. Even if its only 20%. Enough to ease my mind.
I've found that if the first three pre bookings pay at least $60 deposit it is very helpful in defraying my cost should he be unable to keep his appointment. I take my cost, divide the number of bookings into it, and that is the figure my deposit should be . I used to ask for a $100 deposit
which does depend on cost, and I always credit myself should he cancel at least a percent is going towards repaying myself . If a guy is willing to spend 350 + there should never be a void in his
putting up a deposit . And if something were to go wrong and my trip cancel, I'd surely credit him.
If I ever travel, which I plan to next summer, I def am going to get deposits. Even if its only 20%. Enough to ease my mind.
guys are giving girls bad reviews also....with a bunch of bs in the review....
I've never cancelled a Session with a Provider. I know how valuable their time is. I always make sure that I have nothing planned for that day. My current Provider has a lot of cancellations too. It's a Shame because she is very Nice and Polite. There have been days when she tells me I was the only one that booked a Session with her for that day. She tells me that she had to drop some of her long time Regulars because they would make an appointment and not show up. They didn't even call to Cancel. They just didn't show up. Guys when you book an appointment, please show up. If you have to cancel, call at least an hour or two before your appointment. This way she can book another Session and not waste her time on waiting for someone that doesn't show up.
Canceled one time, woke up with an awefull cold...
Now on the other hand I have had atleast5 cancel with me just this year
But I dont give up... shit happens
Wow! you are a dream client,then! It does happen occasionally to me. It hurts as I take very few appointments and do not keep a cancellation list. I may start though...
That stinks...I hope she'll consider coming back, and maybe changing her tour policy to include a deposit to confirm appointments.
It's an oxymoron that a well reviewed and reputable lady will be absconding with a mere couple hundred bucks in deposits, but remain a "well reviewed and reputable lady".
right? RIGHT.
so maybe she can try to visit again, and any client who is worth his word, will send her a deposit to confirm their appointment.
I was thinking about requesting deposits for my trip but do you think it prevents some gentlemen from requesting dates?
Most guys won't go for deposits.
As I stated in the first point about Deposits; any clients who is worth his word, will give you a deposit.
Anyone who balks at your method of business practices or is unwilling to offer what you request (screening, deposit, etc) is not worth your time. end of story.
Deposits are becoming more common place, and I believe majority of companions will be requesting them...thus making it status-quo.
I have deposits and cancellation policy written into my website, so it is upfront and clear from the jump off.
For ladies who start to request deposits, I suggest writing into your website as a policy, and always sticking with it
Simply, yes it does. I won't pay a deposit and I've never cancelled either.
Yes, it absolutely does. I don’t send them and just move on to the next ad.
As a proud chicago hobbyist, i truly feel for ladies who invest their time with us, and have to deal with ncns. My suggestion, however, would not to go the route of deposits. Rather, make us "jump through a hoop" or two after the initial booking has been made. So, for example, if someone books a week in advance, i recommend sending them an email 2-3 days before to touch base and get them to reconfirm. Also, ask that they reconfirm a day prior. If you dont hear from them that day, send another email stating something like " i am looking forward to our time together, but i must hear from you by _____o'clock, or else i will have to assume you are unavailable to keep our date. Yes, it involves some "labor" (emails), but it provides an out for a reluctant hobbyist and more certainty for you. Just a thought. I hate to think of high quality proiders passing on chicago
I am coming to Chicago for the first time next Sunday and already have pre-books. I would hate if it happens to me, but I will say it seems to be part of this business, and some guys don't even take a second to think what that could be doing to our business. I myself go out of my way to stay in upscale places, and the travel time as well, and the only time I ask for a deposit is when it's either longer than a 4 hour appt, an overnight, or a 24 hour appt.
As far as the guy saying letting us know an hour or two before hand if you have to cancel, I don't know about other ladies, but I prefer at least 4-6 hours ahead of time so that I might be able to find a replacement. I know some girls keep one on the back burner in case one cancels or no shows, but that isn't how I choose to run my business. I check each ones references, and why waste the possible clients time to check his out, when I may or may not see him. That to me doesn't sound fair, and takes a lot of time out of both of our schedules. If I know I am able to make an appt, that is when I do the reference checking.
Had a date with a provider, who I called to tell her that I was on my way. Got to her hotel and tried calling her only to have my call fail numerous times. I pull out of the parking spot and drove around the lot with the call eventually going through. She even tried to call me and received my voice mail and was afraid that I was standing her up. I was so concern as I had no idea what to do. We did have a great time, but I was really panicking. Had one of the best times ever as my review will verify once approved.
I know to Southern California providers who came to town. One experienced several cancellations while the other didn't. The difference was that one's hotel offered free parking while the other was closer to the Loop and had no free parking? Coincidence?
One of my ATFs came in from Florida with a full dance card. I was only able to book one appointment with her. She had a bunch of cancellations and I was able to see her several times.
If you aren't 95% sure you can make the appointment - don't.
Just my .02
Elrond
I was about to post an ad too.... Maybe bad timing?
Hello Megan,you know me on another board...might want to hold off on the traveling just yet...although I surely would love to meet with ya! XO Peyton
I wouldn't let that stop you hun because it's not stopping me. Come take over Chicago with me
I fully own up to having had to cancel in the past, but in my defense I work a job that often requires me to work shifts and go in to work and travel on short notice. I have never pulled a NCNS in my life, would never do so, and if I do cancel it's always been at least a day in advance. I never like canceling and feel like a tool when I have to do it, but I can't just tell my employer "I can't fly to New York tomorrow because I have an appointment to get a BJ".
I do think there are serial time wasters/tire kickers out there who constantly make appointments and then bail out, which is obnoxious and stupid, and it makes all the other guys look bad.
I will say that I've had providers cancel as well, so it's not like it's all on one side. I've just come to accept it as part of the industry.
I have heard Providers do it too. I have cancelled maybe twice, and within enough time so that he can possibly find another lady. And that was two emergencies that couldn't be helped. I don't like it done to be as far as the cancelling when I go out of my way to ensure every minute and hour I spend with my clients is one of upmost importance. I will say in my experience, the more Elite Upscale Providers don't cancel on you.
I do think there are serial time wasters/tire kickers out there who constantly make appointments and then bail out, which is obnoxious and stupid, and it makes all the other guys look bad.
I will say that I've had providers cancel as well, so it's not like it's all on one side. I've just come to accept it as part of the industry.
When someone books with me in advance I set aside either a whole day or half a day for them. (Even for hr sessions) because I have to get ready, make sure my incall is ready, etc. I also re read his reviews in the last couple hrs before he comes by, so what he likes is fresh in my head. So last minute cancellations and NCNSs make me LIVID.
I tend to book well in advance with the understanding that we would re-confirm a day or so before our visit. When I have had unavoidable changes in my schedule I give as much notice as I can. So far it has typically been a few days. I have had ladies text me a few minutes before we ate to meet with a cancellation. I don't fret about those rate times, I simply don't schedule with them again. I realize its easier for us guys to walk away as we have more choices.
Bottomline I try to be respectful of a lady's time and expect the same in return.
that some of this NCNS might actually be agencies and locals try to sabotage visiting ladies
....but in plenty of other areas definitely.
This is a business transaction between human beings so there is always a need for some understanding. Things happen in our personal lives that may cause issues on either side.
However, I personally don't think there is any excuse for a NCNS on either side. It is sometimes difficult on the men's side to take action because we fear retribution. I contend that when you deal with reputable ladies this is less of an issue and the ladies that conduct themselves in a professional manner rarely NCNS anyway.
For the ladies, I hope that you give feedback to verification sites and to the ladies providing these men that cancel feedback. The only way to weed out these time wasters is to shine a light on their bad behavior.
I like Chicago and have had some great times with some locals and some visiting ladies and would hate this great city to get a bad reputation.
I've been stood up on a few Providers and I never call them again. There are more Providers out on the Market. If one cancels on me I'll just look for another one. I'm very happy with my current Provider. In fact I have a Session Booked with her at 10:00pm tonight.
I have never cancelled and have even showed up just to pay for my session when I wanted to cancel the same day but couldn't perform for personal reasons....... BUUUUUUT, I have had someone cancel on me (explanation was that they "forgot" about it)....... so I understand the frustrations and it goes both ways.
I think it's part of the business to expect a certain amount of cancellations and it would be unrealistic to expect 100% arrivals. Every business (restaurants, hotels, airlines, etc) run their business with an expectations for cancellations. It's a part of life.
So the question now becomes why in the world did one provider get a supreme rash of cancellations all at the same time? Something about that just doesn't sound right and can she really just brush it off by blaming the character of the guy's in the city? I would offer a couple explanations........
1) She NEVER had that many scheduled appointments. Maybe she didn't run enough ads or generate enough interest in advance and was disappointed with the numbers. So she ended up cancelling the entire trip because of the strong possibility she wouldn't make enough money to warrant the trip. The numbers don't make sense unless she only had a very few appointments and then a couple of those didn't come through. So she cancelled the whole trip and tries to save face and explain herself to those who DID book appointments by placing the blame on others.
2) It's just a game of odds. If you make enough trips, you'll eventually run into a bad trip or two purely based on the odds. For most trips, you might see limited or no cancellations. But then a bad streak might all hit at once and you can't blame the city for that.
3) Perhaps she has a poor reservation system. How many weeks in advance were appointments made? Did she follow-up? When did she follow-up? What type of screening was used? And perhaps a deposit should have been required for some or all of the appointments.
I don't remember reading about any other provider(s) mentioning an unusual increase of cancellations in Chicago. So we're supposed to believe that it only happened to her? Maybe it did just based on the odds, but I'm not buying it unless other providers step up and mention that they too are experiencing an incredible increase in Chicago cancellations in the last few weeks or so. Something stinks..........
There have been other ladies that have posted about mass cancellations on the Chicago board. Also, not every lady is going to complain on this board about it because they don't want to be perceived as a whiner. I bet the tone is different in the provider only board and other sites for providers. Plus, I have talked to many providers [local & traveling] and they have mentioned the large number of cancellations happening in Chicago.
You do raise some valid points, but those pertain to a small number of providers. I do agree that 100% arrival rate is unrealistic. The ladies should work together on maintaining a list of these last minute cancellations and weed out the constant timewasters.
Personally I have no problem with deposits. Actually in most cases I would happily pay up front if I could do so. I do this with a certain visiting provider who is here a couple times a year. I also did that once with someone else years ago and she didn't rip me off either.
But most seem to not want to do business online (maybe for good reason). And I can tell you a lot of guys will refuse to pay a deposit.
Another thing to consider is a cancellation policy. If someone cancels with less than 24 or 48 hours notice (or whatever time frame you want), you require a cancellation fee of a certain percentage of your regular fee. Post it prominently on your website and all your listings so it is clear up front. Then at least your costs are covered. If someone refuses to pay the cancellation fee in spite of it being known up front, you can blacklist them. And if the person is a regular or for some other reason you don't want to charge them, you can just tell them to not worry about it. That type of policy puts you in the driver's seat and I think is better then requiring deposits.