While I have no issues with how any gal wants to promote herself (or her agency gals), I find it interesting every time I see the "promotion" which includes a prepayment for services.  I certainly take advatage when my 7-11 wants to give me a "free" coffee when I buy a certain amount over time, but they don't ask me to "pre pay" for this incentive.  

How often have we read (and discussed) this issue...and more often than not it seems to end up poorly for the guy who does "pre pay" for this type of service.

So once again the proverbial question is "Would you prepay for a service here?".

Although every time we see a provider we do prepay prior to services being rendered, but it is immediately prior to and in person, which I know isn't what you're asking.

I would never send pre-payment to a provider days before our agreed upon meeting.

I can understand a provider wanting to guarantee her income, but I would never do it again. Some can be flakier than pie crusts and until the service is rendered, I will hold on to my money.

on the cusp of offering this years GB/Orgy Party.  Which of course is entirely prepay because of obvious reasoning for not wanting cash on premises.  I think the guys will atone we always provide a great time.

I also happen to be one of the few that offers discounts on multiple prepay's and ALWAY'S makes good on every visit.  There has never been a gent promised move then what he got.  

Again, I think the main factor is trust.  You should trust the provider in question enough to know she would never do that to you, and it is rare to trust any provider that much when it comes to $$.

Sage

And I brought this topic up today as I saw a very recent ad on the Chicago Ad board for just such an arrangement by a lady that has been around awhile.

But all too often that once those dollars are paid out too many things tend to go wrong.

And then we read on the boards (or more commonly through PM) of the issue.

However, if this works for you or any other gal, then obviously you will continue with this practice.  My curiosity is how many might take a chance on something like this.  And whether I will be reading his posts in a month or so of how the "arrangement" is actually working out.

It's easy enough to read of all the prior "arrangements" that were NOT successful.  But I suspect that on occassion there is that successful one that no one cares to share (but you did..so good for you).

When it works there is no reason to post, as a matter of a fact I think it is kinda sorta against the rules because it does almost fall into a shill type posting.  Shill posting is why you don't hear more about great local ladies, you can write day and night about the bad but posting about the good is a shill and forbidden.

I see the add you are talking about, and I think knowing the scheduler you would get your time as long as you can work with the available schedule and book in advance.  Nice girls

FWIW I used this payment system for years with my atf...but she was my atf and she was my atf for a reason....I trusted her....Just sayin' it can work...

any problem. The key is who you choose to pick to prepay with. I've had great success - but I'm very picky with whom I choose to see. I always do multiple hour engagements with established providers. I've never been let down.

several years ago i met a girl up here from florida.  great time.  she came up a few times and i saw her each time.  we kept in touch.  she called me and said she wanted to come up again but needed cash.  i trusted her and fedexed her some cash (against their rules by the way).  she came up and worked off the advance more than sufficiently.  a few months later same call but this time she needed it western unioned.  thinking quite clearly with the little head, i wired down the same amount already anticipating the two or three occassions of experiencing slippery and wet payback.  well, that time she really did f**k me as i have never heard from her again.

You prepay. You call to schedule. Someone else calls to schedule at the same time who has not prepaid.

You might think you are the preferred client, because you are the regular, the one who is guaranteeing the income. But from the lady's point of view, and this is a completely valid business decision, she already has your money, while the other person is extra money. Who would you schedule first? And if that lady is busy, or if you want to see her at a busy time, it could be like trying to redeem your frequent flier miles.

The next potential issue is that something happens, lady breaks a leg, gets sick, falls in love and decides to take a break from the business, anything like that. Now you are trying to get a refund? All I can say is "Oy!"

Or maybe she has a scare and goes from a wild woman, ready for anything, to Ms. All Safe, everything covered.

Lastly, and this is either the least or most likely, depending on your perspective - we all know stories of ladies who work very hard when they meet you and then relax, maybe do not try so hard any more once they know you are hooked. Or fickle guys who love a provider the first time, like her the second, and by the fourth visit are more than ready to move on, which may or may not have anything to do with her performance. Do you really want to be on the hook for one or more visits, when she is no longer really scratching your itch?

So I am not saying it is always a bad idea, just a risky approach. Hell, I have had providers I adored, had seen many times, suddenly change the rules, or just become flaky, unreliable, mostly unavailable. That was disappointing enough, but I was able to walk away, say thanks, and not have to go into collection mode.

Which is not any judgment on the character, services, or intention of the ladies offering these types of deals. That is a completely different discussion.

just sayin,
zig

you should be very selective.  Reputation is important, as well as your personal relationship with the provider.

I have had it happen 2 ways which is why I am picky who I accept on a prepay deal.  I have had 2 guests "forget" they had another date left, I reminded them thought they would have been happy with the 1 less.  However I am NOT that type of girl, once an agreement is struck my word is my bond and I keep track for you so you do not have too and if it is nearing that 1yr mark I will remind you that you have another date on the books.

I have also had 1 previous guest insist that he had 1 more left when I knew he did not, he was just trying to get even more for the discounted rate he had paid.  I furnished the dates of his visits and he ended up in the end admitting he had had his time.  I am still unsure if he did it on purpose or not but I would not engage him in a prepay again because of it.  

I know some of you think honesty is a rare commodity in this industry but some actually are.  

Sage

One never knows what may happen down the road, and once that money is banked, it's hard to retrieve it.

Great summary of the risks Zig!

I would look at advancing anyone money as a "gift" that is NOT refundable...EVER!  Many of us have been down that road with firends, family and others and how often is it really expected that you will get your advances (gift) back?

Seems like that's why there are attorneys out there.  That seems to keep them busy chasing down those "misunderstandings".

And absolutely agree with Zig on all points.  There is just WAY too many downsides to creating unreliable future sessions with many of the gals that provide.  But then again, there are some that would unequivocally "live up" to the deal.  But that goes to Sage's earlier comments, which I also agree with...TRUST.  Unfortunately, that can be a fleeting issue to deal with on multiple levels.

Do you, would you have you, given a provider a ticket to meet you somewhere for a trip together? Paid her an upfront deposit for that weekend, or however long it is?

Despite my distaste for prepaying for a block of dates, I think that is a completely different situation. To get on that plane, the provider needs some assurance she can get there and back, not be out of pocket once she is there, so some further commitment seems appropriate.

What do others think? If you have done it, please share some details, because there is a lady I think I may eventually do this with another I sort of played with doing it with, and I would like to know how others worked it out.

thanks,
zig

Personally as a provider I would want 25-50% as well as travel expenses paid to me in advance.  Sorry but I will book my own travel thank you, and I think most providers will say the same.  There are very few I would allow to book for me, but likely these same people would be more the type ready to hand over the details of booking to me since I love finding the best deal for travel.  Licks, Sage

First key is trust based on history with her.  Second key is trust based on general reputation/history in community.  Third key (not mentioned so far) is amount of money involved.  Can I afford to lose it? Is it more than one or two of whatever my usual sessions with the lady are?  Is it enough to make it worth it for her to cheat me?  Fourth, how long is the time frame (the longer the time, the more that can go wrong)?  Fifth is why?  What are advantages to me as well as to her?  Does it make economic sense for each of us?  If it makes no sense for her in the long term, it would be a red flag for me.  A woman desparate for cash right now is not someone you generally want to make a deposit with.  On the other hand, making it cheaper to ensure brand loyalty/repeat visits can be a win/win.

Travel - or anything that exposes a lady to losing cash as opposed to time, is another matter.  A deposit of a substantial amount of travel costs is only fair.

BTW, I may have been very lucky so far, and have generally seen well reviewed ladies, but I suspect that at least among those, people here are as honest as everyone else.  Where there are no lawyers and courts and police to enforce the law or create escrows or letters of credit or whatever,  someone's word and reputation has to be their bond.  It's the only bond available.  Of course, the answer to no bond is COD, which is how it usually works here.

I've been "doing this" a long time.  LOL.  I've probably made most of the stupid mistakes that are available to be made.  In terms of of prepaying for services, I have done that several times.  

Most of the cases involve prepaying for multiple future visits.  In those cases, it has been with a lady that I have known for a considerable time.  In almost each case I was reluctant and nervous to do so.  However, for a variety of reasons, each time I did it.  I also did it, each time, knowing it could be a complete bust.  Once was an absolute disaster - long story.  Two or three times it was a modest mistake (got some but not all of the time).  At least twice it worked out just fine and probably made my "relationship" (is it really a relationship or am I just telling myself it is?) with the lady closer.  My recent experience is still in process but is going well.  

I've also prepaid a couple of times to see very well reviewed and highly reputable visiting ladies (each "porn stars" as I recall).  

I've also done the "loan" thing - but that is another story.

My bottom line(s):  (1) don't do it if you can't afford to say "goodbye" to the funds, (2) if you don't have a long relationship with the lady then check her references and reputation as much as you can, and (3) if you are more than a little reluctant (a little reluctance is unavoidable in my opinion), don't do it.

Still looking for blondes (and always looking for asians)!  LOL.  

bbTna

just one time under controlled circumstances with someone who I'd never met before and it went fine. There are a number providers who I'd trust in this situation, both local and non-local, but I'd never do it with a stranger again.

and it'll be crystal clear.

Ironically, I did a 1/2 pre-pay with that very provider a few years ago and it worked out fine. Go figure...

How the hell are you??  Smoooooch!!

Isn't that the same as pre-payment?  There is no lay-away in the services industry.

LOL.  I'm well beautiful - how are you?  I'd settle for blonde or Asian.    Aren't you blonde?    I hope life is treated you well - you deserve it.  Enjoy your time in Chicago.