If there was a 100% cure for HIV/AIDS and HERPES discovered tomorrow, and of course along with your normal birth control pregnancy protection. how many women would openly add this service? How many men would partake in the act??

Thanks, I think its a question to really think about and should be honestly answered. OK, I know hiding behind an alias is cowardly, but I have done BB with plenty of providers and dont want to out them when my reviews are read after my post. If this fantasy ever becomes a reality then im also wondering would TER start discussing BBFS and stop editing my reviews when I am lucky to find someone who does BBFS.

Better question is how many guys would not see someone who is known to provide BBFS.

NO because you forgot all of the other std's known to 'man' too.

And it wouldn't be enough just to have a cure for everything out there, it would have to totally be irradicated from the population.

And first of all you would have to KNOW you are sick to get treated. Do you know how long people go on not knowing they have HIV or even something simple like Chlamydia? You could be spreading it, not knowing you even have it, for YEARS.

I'm sorry, but I have NEVER had any kind of STD in my lifetime, and I would like to keep it that way, cure or no cure.

Bella

You know I like banging a woman.  I do enjoy Greek.  But I also enjoy having a snack and a glass of champagne in Reims France.  I enjoy watching old episodes of Law and Order and the Wire. I enjoy being healthy and not taking antibiotics to combat something that a simple condom could have prevented.   Even before AIDS was prevalent, I always played safe.  I have never done crack. Why? Because I don't want to experience something that potentially feels so good, I would be willing to start sucking dick or selling my kid to experience it. Equally, au naturale in this hobby is not worth catching something or spreading something because it feels good.

I may never DATY again after reading this post.  Reading stuff like this makes me want to stop hobbying all together. It simply is not worth it.

one guy admits he does it but how many aren't? It used to be a dirty little secret, now guys are bragging about it. Makes me wonder just how safe we really are in this hobby...

You hit the nail on the head. So if they are undercover about that, they will be the same with everything.

OMFG!! I cant believe what im reading! Im scared of you people who think their 100% safe with a condom and DATY. The only thing im bragging about is the fact that I know for a FACT that every provider has one client that they go BB with. I know that if AIDS and HERPES was curable tomorrow, that the condom businesses would start going bankrupt by April 2nd. Im sorry to dissapoint you all but I have been seeing providers since I was 19 and in May I'll be 43 and I have never had an STD and have used a condom under 10 times my entire life. I'll let you in on a little secret, Latex condom dont protect after 15 or 20mins of use..its like using nothing at all. But then again you all probably still believe in Santa Claus or The Tooth Fairy or that your wives or girlfriends are faithful while your cheating. Or better yet you all believe that HIV causes AIDS, or that Magic Johnson actually has AIDS or that O.J. really did it! My God, im better off than I thought.

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actually magic johnson has HIV  not AIDS... he is HIV positive but lacks the receptors to get AIDS he will be HIV+ for the rest of his life and can transmit HIV but will never die from AIDS...  you dont die from HIV



and i think OJ did it!  and more women cheat than men.... it's easy for them..

Not to get off the subject but I would love to know why you think OJ didnt do it. And your Magic Johnson theory.

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No one said it's 100% safe. Decisions are made daily in terms of mitigating risk.  And dude I have 3 degrees, 2 in science.  I have you by a few years, except I didn't play in this game until I was 23.  So I'm glad you are hitting the lottery on a regular. BTW....your latex stat, is completely erroneous, but I use polyurethane anyway. The size of most nasty things for the exception of Hep C, are still to large for the pores of latex and we are not talking the manufacturing processes of the 80's.

You die from the diseases of opportunity, which are all around us right now when your immune system is destroyed by by the virus, decreasing your TCells and your ability to fight infections.  And yes OJ did it, he did host Saturday Night Live once.

Unfortunately, I have to crush your little utopia in which you "know for a FACT that every provider has one client that they go BB with".  I have been a provider for 12 years (off and on) and have NEVER gone BB.  So you can squash that theory.  

Also, you may not have symptoms of an STD but you could be a carrier spreading it all over the place.  Look it up, men have a huge tendency to never show symptoms but could be all junked up and giving it to all the lovelies that let you go BB.  Although, that is their own fault for trusting such an honest guy such as yourself.  

I wish you well and am glad you have nothing but maybe you should check up on your providers a year later, after you did them bare and see if they are as "healthy" as you are...

XXX-Giselle

and I have a couple different why's.  

First off the act of sharing one another so fully that your body and all fluids are mixed is far to personal to share with someone unknown.  A condom not just offers a barrier against STD/Pregnancy but also a barrier in my female mental and emotional ties.  For me it helps keep things in check with my guests, keeps the feeling from running to strong and from wanting more then a casual fling from time to time.  That barrier is much more then what it is meant for...

Secondly, some are talking about other diseases being a reason...  Even if there were a fast and easy cure for EVERY STD out there, I still wouldn't consider the notion....  Even if the barrier weren't so much more to me...  Because you all forget you do not know you have something on contact, there is an incubation time frame where you can pass it to others as a carrier.  Then also the meds you have to explain if you pass it through insurance as well as the however many days you would need to refrain from sex AFTER taking the meds.  Try explaining to your wife/GF/next provider you boinked and the ones since how she shouldn't worry because there is a cure hunny!  

Lastly, as someone who is reading up on some of the new strains of STDs because it is ALWAYS good to be well versed on things when you are indulging sexual activities with multiple partners, after a while a drug resistant version comes along nastier then the original.  Then where are you at?  Same as now but with a compromised immune system and 5 more years.

It doesn't matter what, there is always going to be some nasty tramp willing to offer her bare kit kat for a few extra $$ or free even outside of the hobby.  There is ALWAYS going to be men who want to bareback women at all costs including personal risk, tricking or forcing providers to do it.  It is within each person no matter what cures are available or what their thoughts are on barriers to take only as much risk as they are willing to.  To try and force or push someone beyond their point of comfort just shows that that man is not only not a gentleman, but barely a man closer in my opinion to something slithering on the ground...  

So, that is just my take and my 0.02 for what it is worth.  Take care and play safe so you can life on to play another day, Sage

PS...  I hope no one has to explain to their children they won't make it to see them wed/graduate/have their own kids do to careless wantings of the unprotected kind...  Such a waste that would be

I dont care what he says he has, HIV or AIDS it dont matter. Magic signed a contract for 1million dollars a yr for 25yrs. Glenn "Big Dawg" Robinson comes with a contract for 90million for 5yrs and didnt even prove to me that he was worth that much. Magic's contract was one of the 2 biggest contracts out there back then...he had to get the fuck outta that contract and thats how he did it. I cant remember the lil guy's name from the knicks back then but he walked up and kissed Magic right on the damn mouth. Because he knew he didnt have the disease.

There's someone that you trust in or out of the business thats hitting it raw. If not, oh well there's sometimes an exception to the rule. Sorry hunny im single with no children.

I have seen some of the same women as these gentlemen and health wise were all doin just fine. There's someone out there in or out of the business that you trust.

...and Santa Claus was real and gas would go back to 29 cents a gallan and all of our governors would be honest.....

I figure if you are making up fantasy wishes, might as well add a few more.   Dude, a "cure" for any transittable disease isn't any kind of answer.  There's a cure for syphallis, right?  So after you catch it and pass it on, then you get cured.  That solves ALL the problems, right.

Idiot.

MrJudyBlue,

I apologize. No reason for name calling, and I regret it.

I'm going to answer your THEORETICAL question with a THEORETICAL answer, since most members of the site rather run their mouths about how they disagree, or think your question is stupid.

If AIDS/HIV/STD's where cured, yes.  In fact, adding the part where you say the whole pregnancy thing is taken care of as well, there would be no reason for protection at all.  And lets be honest, even if there was a pregnancy scare, you wouldn't know about it. You're long gone and on to the next one.

am I right?

Like to know who they are so that you not BS and a man of Words..
PM will work fine...

Thank you, thats all I really wanted to read was a yes or no from both men and women in this business. To be clear, im sure that providers take extra steps to prevent pregnancy in case of a condom breakage at the end of a session. So along with their personal preventive birth control methods and the cure for HIV and Herpes would we all be more willing to go raw. I still say yes, a lot more providers will be more open to doin raw sessions and anal. Along with the condom industry losing tons of money. Hey! Raw55/Dodge55 thanks, apology accepted my friend!

But his topic wasn't as "stupid" as your prior thread topic either.  And you didn't like the replies you got there, so you need to comment that the folks that replied to this OP's attempt to discuss who is in on BBFS are "stupid".  They aren't stupid...but understood where the OP was indeed going with his post, and if you followed the thread, is exactly to discuss HIS beliefs that BBFS is widespread and should be accepted as part of P4P.

And if you don't think if you "fathered a kid" here wouldn't come back to "bite you in the ass"...you're even more naive than your prior thread indicated.

You have seen a few gals (and from the gist of your reviews you may want to ratchet up your selection of quality rather than seeking the "cheap" gigs).  You may indeed find a whole different world than the one you've been playing in, and clearly understand why many of the gals have posted what they have posted to this particular topic.

And to answer the OP's question...nope...if the best in his theoretical example is that there is a "cure" for STD's..I don't have any interest in contracting from arguably EVERY gal I see some type of STD...nor is she interested in that.  To have to take medications and treatments every single day to "cure" every contracted STD would NOT be my idea of a good time.  But if you don't mind taking 20, 30, 40 pills every day for the rest of your life...have at it pal!

READ the entire post. The Theoretical was prefaced with actual habits and practices.

Unless we are talking some magical vaccine that prevents you from getting any STD forever, the cost to hobby would go way up as you are popping pills and catching diseases.  I'm perfectly happy with the rubber.

God knows how many people you infect before you are diagnose and cured. Maybe you don't die from AIDS but it is still painful. Not worth it.

WRONG. What "facts" and "evidence" do you have to back up your statement that "I know for a fact that every provider has one client that they go BB with". Unless you have personally BB'd EVERY provider at least once, again, how do you back up your statement?? You cannot take a small percentage(you own personal experiences) and create a general statement or "fact" from that in itself. I personally only do CBJ, even for clients I have been seeing for YEARS. To go BB would never even cross my mind, except for if I ever decided to get married again.

In my 7+ years of providing, I have had 2 condoms TOTAL ever break. If you know how to properly apply & use them, they are quite effective. If you have only used condoms a total of 10 times in your entire adult life, & have never caught anything, you are either the extreme minority, are lying, don't know yet, & if nothing else, have a few kids out there you aren't aware of yet, lol.

Just because a provider of hobbyist has "papers" from their doctor, means NOTHING. I can make one of those papers on my computer, sign a doctor's name & no one would be the wiser. So for those who do in fact use this method, you're an idiot.

As another provider stated, putting aside all STD & pregnancy risks, I still would not go without a condom. Maybe it's different for men, but to allow or have multiple men "releasing" inside me, is just plain and simple, gross. As stated, a condom is a mental barrier as well. So, if it ever came  to that, I would no longer provide... although I am quite sure there would still be a fair number of people left with half a brain that would still use condoms, if for no other reason that mental comfort.

But at least it was more interesting than the lame threads that have permeated these boards for the last month or so.

And if you wouldn't mind...could you also send me a PM of the gals you've seen (and others that you may want to see) so I can take them off my list of someone I would see.  I'm kind of hoping to be around to see the Sox win another World Series...and if I know which gals you frequent I think I enhance my odds of seeing that goal

My answer, NO WAY.

This post is both comical and severely disturbing at the same time!
What's worse MrJudyBlue, is you are just so ass backwards with your knowledge of science (and apparently popular culture, ie Magic Johnson) and ultimately how the body works.
It's also much too long of a discussion...because there are too many variables and none of us are scientists.

but what we DO know, is that if a end all be all "cure" is every possible for any ONE  of the viruses like STI's STD's, Hep C, HIV, AIDS alike....it would not be the end of the discussion.
HIV is technically a genetic mutation. it's brand new in the history of the world, and the world of putting the P in the V sans protection! Because that's been happening for thousands of years.
the fact that HIV/AIDS is so brand new and so resistant to other cancerous treatments...is what makes it scary.
All the diseases, infections, viruses related to "sexual contact"...they ALL can (or have) generate new mutations becoming super scary monsters.
Like, we're talking things that go bump in the night scary!!

So if by your question you actually mean to ask "if the world moved in retrograde and the laws of nature reversed and human mammal bodies and science as we know it- were simple instead of complex, and did not every need PREVENTION care..."
even then would I BBFS a stranger?
no.