Hi,

I pass because I would want her to be open minded about clients from all walks of life!!

For this topic, let's keep rates and bad reviews out of it.

For me, I think the following factors keep me from seeing a lady I'd normally see.

1) Location - if a lady is normally in downtown, I pass.  The traffic, parking fees, and red light cameras are what bother me.  I always prefer the burbs or O'hare for incall.

2) Drama/Attitude - even with good reviews, I'll avoid a lady if there is a history of drama or flakiness.  I don't have time to deal with that crap.  Plus, if a lady seems to be high maintenance, forget it.

3) Outcall only - since I don't live in the city or the NW burbs, outcalls are very rare for me.  If a lady is outcall only and does not go to my area, I'll have to pass.

Interested to hear if others have the same factors or different ones.  Remember, don't include rate or bad reviews.

1)  I must have late night.  I can't get out any other times.  

2)  Location.  I drive from Indiana.

3)  Backpage.  To scary if that is the only place they post.

Totally agree with you CTP on all three points.

I used to hate going downtown but that is the majority of my meets now (its about a 40 mile trip).  If I really want to see someone and that is my only choice, I will go downtown.  I always set the appointment around 1pm so there is a chance the traffic will be good both ways.

Reasons I won't see someone:

1) I agree with outcalls, they don't work for me.  I hobby most in Chicago and don't hobby in my home.  I did once get a room since the girl only did outcalls and it was a NSNC.  I might try that again but I would really have to trust her.

2) If only early morning is available.  

3) If something just doesn't feel right even if she is highly reviewed.  This is usually due to the pattern of her reviews, and who reviewed her and not on bad reviews.  The location of the outcall or the method of gaining entry will also cause me not to feel right about the meet.

4) I am more inclined to see somone if they keep a up-to-date calendar and may keep postponing someone if I don't know if or when they are available.

There have been a couple of providers I wanted to see, but damn!!!!! One had a zillion reviews posted within the month.  Factor in those that didn't post reviews, she simply was seeing a ton of people.  So inevitably her VM was always full, scheduling was difficult, etc.

1) location (i.e. downtown)
2) tats
3) multiple piercings
4) if they can't write a complete sentence without a bunch of typos (they are probably brain-dead or on drugs at this point)
5) AnY oNe whO dOEs THiS iN tHeiR aDS

1) Outcall only - I have done this but only after a short meeting with the provider first for a drink or coffee. To pay for a hotel and a bad experience would not be cool. A quick coffee or a drink gives me a good idea of what they're like. Can be day of appointment or other. FYI every time I've done this with an outcall only provider it's led to multiple appointments.  

2) Same old pics - there are a few ladies I'm interested in seeing and have good reviews but they've been using the same pics for 4-5 years. At this point I don't trust the review because the reviewers could be some 70 year old dudes that think she's still hot (sorry for offending the blue hairs)

3) New photos but some are sections strategically covered up. If a girl has 10-12 pics on her website but they are taken at 'strategic' angles or her midsection is constantly covered up, what do they not want to show?

4) No website - I rarely see a girl with no website unless she has some good reviews from reputable hobbyists

1. Location... I'm not travelling an hour and a half to be stood up again

2. Outcall only... I only do incall

3. Timing...  I can only meet during the day

4. Website with no pictures or reviews that say picture is old

5. Honestly... Price...  I can't afford $500 an hour

Outcall - I simply can't do outcall right now, so this is a definite deal breaker.

Review rating to donation - There is no science to this, but there are a couple ladies that I've wanted to see, but their donation is too much for their scores. Another thing that sort of falls here is lack of reviews for someone with a high donation.

The picture issue is what I hear the most when I first started this. So especially with my age I date my pictures but still even then guy send me nasty emails saying that I am fake when they in now way checked me out.... I have too many up to have stolen or fake. No matter what we can't win. Seems its always something wrong. Lol. I get what I get and am happy. - As far as covering some parts of the body.

1) Downtown Incall

2) Outcall

3) No pics

4) Fake pics

1. CBJ

2. No Kissing

3. No DATY

4. I can get the room so outcall isn't an issue as long as it's NW

5.Screening... if there isn't any then forget it.

Finally single and looking forward to all the to ladies with great reviews!!!!

CTP makes some great points:

FIRST AND FOREMOST:

If I hear that a providers is offering BBFS I will NEVER see her! I want to live to hobby another day.

1) Location - downtown is a royal pain and sometimes finding parking is a mess. Now with the meter nazis they ticket when you are not violating any statute. I have fought four violations in the past six months because of that crap.

2) Drama - enough siad.

3) I only do incalls.

4) Donation/performance ratio. My ATF does not ask for a $$$$$ donation and I keep returning. Economics comes into play unless you have recently won the lottery - lol

My .02

Elrond

In the past few good Hobbyist warn it on the discussion board, or even send PM to others.
The word do get around. BOTH have to play Safe and Clean. If someone is sick
either Provider or Hobbyist they both need to be Outed or at least warned..

Sometime Even meeting  wont tell if she or He carrying HIV or other STDs...

All Play safe.. I will not see anyone who I think fall under these categories...

If a lady has the positive reviews and looks I like about the only thing that might prevent me from seeing her is reliability. If a babe has a history of cancellations..NCNSs...I pretty much avod her.

1.  Outcall ONLY.  Don't want to be visited by your pimp.

1.5  Outcall ONLY with the 24/7 bonus...  Refer to #1.

2.  No website...  Street level provider or LE

3.  Any form/kind of a negative gut feeling when I view their photo.  The "Too good to be true factor".

4.  Not GFE...  $500+ and not GFE???  I'll pass.

5.  Massage ONLY.  Nothing that Urban Oasis and 20 sec. on Badjojo.com can't take care of.

6.  Location (Ladies PLEASE keep in mind, posting an ad that your visiting Chicago and staying in Schaumburg isn't visiting Chicago.  I don't know how many time I've been excited to see someone coming to "Chicago" and finding out that they are no where near Chicago... You just became a GU--  Geographically Undesirable)

7.  ONLY communication through e-mail.  Initial contact form I totally understand but eventually, I need to see if there is a personality out there.  

8.  AnY oNe whO dOEs THiS iN tHeiR aDS (in agreeance with Flikker's #5)

9.  Suburbs location (see #6)

10.  Visiting ads with a 312 or 773 area code.  If your "visiting" why do you have a local number?

11.  Any form of an ad that's "too go to be true" example: A smoking hot picture with a $250hr. rate

12.  I don't know if this is a rule violation but, anyone that's has a high rate and has NO reviews.  If I'm going to pay $$$ you better have a review.  I'm not Rockefeller.

13.  Providers that make things difficult or makes me jump through hoops.  I understand screening and I'm all for it.  But...

14.  Any ads from classified style sites...  Backpage, Craigslist, Midnight Chicago etc. etc.

That's my short list...  And I have a feeling that I'll come up with more after I submit this list.

My .02

SP

Downtown just doesn't work for me anymore.  The time required to get there and get back, along with the hassle of traffic and parking, is a major factor in my decision.  I prefer incalls, so outcall is a negative.  I know we shouldn't talk about rates, but I don't like 2 hour minimums.  I can get what I need in an hour.  

Good topic.

No incall.
Provider has race restriction.
No photos.
No kiss/bbbj.
Signs of psycho/crazy/drama from her ad or postings.

Especially to girls that do offer doubles sessions. I prefer to pick a gal I know is safe and also enjoy, however there are times when a gent will suggest one of his ATF's.

Xoxo
VC

Couldnt agree more...
I saw a provider who only do Duo with 1 girl who she knows very well and can swear she is clean.
She refuse to do Duo with other girls because she dont know them that well.

Yes its very important that Providers should knows about these Girls and boys..Remember Providers see lot more Hobbyist the Hobbyist see providers..

I wish TER has a board just for this Type of info...but then it will open a Can of Worms...

ThIs iS So FuNnY!  I aGrEe NoT tO SeE AnYoNe ThAt DoEs ThIs EiThEr!!!!
For Me, If you smoke, you are out,
Downtown no good for me

A buncha years back, an attractive milf had such an ad. Recently, I noticed she'd lost her looks and body. Wonder how that feels to be one of us?

My hair isn't blue. LOL In fact, hair .... well, enuf said.

1) Posts an ad with only a phone number and says things like "e-mails and texts will be ignored". I hate the phone enough as it is, but trying to read out my verification info over a phone is a nightmare. Also, it's 2012... join the modern world.

2) Ad says things like "if it's not me, it's free!". If it's not you in the photo I'm probably gonna leave.

3) Providers who insist in their ads and keep repeating that they're "low volume". I seriously don't care or need to hear this. Actually, I'm probably a sex addict and I'm extremely turned on by women who have had tons of partners. Sue me but it's true. And lots of sex partners doesn't equal diseases. Anyway, at least stop contributing (whether consciously or not) to the myth that women are somehow less human or are "sluts" if they have many sex partners. We all have free will and make our own choices. Activity between consenting adults hurts nobody.

- Bad-ass attitude during screening - I learn a lot from those first few emails

- Personality - we have to click on some level or it ain't happening. Again, those first few emails say it all

- Bad location - no downtown and after July 1, nowhere in the city with all of Rahm's speed traps going up

- Outcall - over my dead body

- Low funds - when the monthly budget is blown, the spending stops (unlike our corrupt politicians)

- Bad phone etiquette - She doesn't answer, VM is full, can't leave a message, buh-bye

- Miscellaneous - all the stuff above we can't talk about in this thread even though many guys did, lol

Visitors who frequent this area get local phones, smart move actually.

1a. Music on a website with no warning! This usually pisses me off enough to not look further unless something really, and I mean really got my attention!

As mentioned by many and applying to me too:
2. Donation to review ratio, my disposable income just ain't what it used to be!
2a. Donation above $$$$, with no reduction for a 2 hr+ date - reason from #2 applies here also.
3. Outcall only.
4. Backpage etc ads only.
5. Phone # search comes back with many girls.
6. Drama - again enough said.
7. Crappy (or no) website - this includes too many typos or very bad grammar - hell, I'll proofread for you if you need! You don't have to be perfect, but at least look like you tried to spend some time on a quality investment.
8. If CTP hasn't seen her, I probably won't ... okay that's probably not true but I thought I'd mention it because I certainly trust a good review from the Master more than most others!
8a. Have you really read this far after so many replies to this thread already?
9. Oh YeAh, I HaTe tHiS TyPiNg ToO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10. Obvious photoshopped pics, other than to blur the face - I'm a photographer and I can usually tell, fake pics too!

RE: #1.    ALOT and I do mean ALOT of us do not NOW and never will have a PIMP.
RE #10     When I first began touring I was told that cops went after gals with out of area (area codes) first and it was a good idea to use a (virtual number ) local area code to forward to your own cell. I also find that it draws less attention on a guys cell bill if its being looked at, rather than 702 which screams VEGASSSSS!

So next time you Eat any Meat make sure its Kosher

-- Modified on 2/25/2012 3:17:41 PM

I've had providers who were on my TDL or that I was highly curious about go off my list because of:

1) how they acted towards potential clients (not necessarily myself) at M&Gs

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2) their interaction on boards/forums like this

It's how I actually get a feeling as to whether our personalities will mesh and a true look at who they really are.  Those who actively participate on the boards put themselves out there for more scrutiny (good or bad).  I've also seen ladies I normally wouldn't have seem because their interaction on the boards also caught my attention in a positive way.

Everything a lady does both at a M&G or on these boards is marketing themselves whether they realize it or not.

LOVE your #5!! That drives me crazy. Owe adn tytoes drove mee kraazzy az wellz!!!

1. cbj only
2. No kissing
3. No DATY

Mainly your number 2, accompanied by or including rudeness, or being too uppity.

I would probably add a feeling that she can’t be trusted on some level.

While I don’t really care for going downtown, for me the woman is more important than the location.

Rarely see girls thru agencies. Have passed on many ladies that have been "my type" because they're w/ an agency & have waited to see them until they've gone independent.  

The rare exception has been out of the country (in Canada agencies are almost preferred as the quality is actually monitored due to it being legal).

Great topic!

in his face and said no way when she saw he had a cane.  And I'm not talking about an 95 yo man, think "house".  That was enough for me to not see her again even though i had a great time with her.  I did not want to give my $$$ to someone that treats others like this.  I know providers have the right to choose but not seeing someone because of a limp. WTF

1. Downtown incall... like others have said, the hassles are not worth it.

2. Requiring provider references.  Yes screening is important, but that's why there is RS2K, DateCheck and P411.  Hobbying is not dating, so I prefer that a provider DOESN'T remember who I am after the appointment is over.   Discretion is the golden rule in this hobby and comparing notes is not discreet.

3. Requiring personal and work info.  Again... this is why we are members of RS2K, DateCheck and P411.  You don't give me your personal identifying info... you aren't getting mine.  I want to be assured of my safety as much as you want to be assured of yours.  And yes ladies... there are hundreds of examples where providers either ripped off, harassed,  harmed, stalked or tried to extort clients. We have just as much to risk as you.

3. Outcalls only.  Sorry honey, but I'm not springing for your fee and the hotel too.  If you want to do this for a living then be professional and secure a venue.

4. One and done.  I'm paying to get as many shots on goal as I can during the appointment.  If you're a one pop provider, then only book 30 minute sessions.

Ditto...

I don't do outcalls (unless I'm out of town at a hotel on business) and location is somewhat sensitive.

Beyond that a big factor for me is being comfortable that she's in it for the right reasons. I don't mean it in a philosophical sense beyond just hopefully she's independent and not a victim of trafficking or abuse or being forced into the situation, either by an addiction she needs to feed or someone else being in control of her freedom.

I sometimes avoid smokers. I've had mixed experiences with them. In some cases, you can't even tell, but in one case, the woman's sweat reeked of smoke. It was a really big negative for me.

almost any time new un reviewed providers are in Motels shitty hotels and lately all hotels.  Mostly because its Too easy for a bust to be set up or a pimp to rip you off etc. Prefer outcalls to my home I am single.  Never heard of a bust going on in a clients private residence but always hearing about arrests at motels / hotels.