Steve, with this little word "IF" but let me try and help you with that. Isaid...."If the hobbiest demands that a lady have reviews before pulling the trigger, what is wrong with the lady demanding that this person write a review?.... nothing!"
They say the word "IF" is the biggest word in the english language...LOL! I can demand any damn thing I want Steve and if you don't like it...... oh well. You can then decide to comply with my demand or not but I can demand anything I want!
What I said was that if a hobbiest "Demands" that a lady have reviews in order to see her or "expects", "requests" (as Smegma used), etc..... Then the lady has every right to demand, expect or request that the hobbiest write a review.
As far as the money you spend or .....dn't goes, you recieve what you pay for and that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. When you pay MTA Ladies, it means you get a quality lady of your choice to spend an un-rushed specified amount of time with you and provide you with a GFE experience.
The topic at hand though is reviews and the various guys who will not see a lady without reviews and yet won't write them.
A better example would be for me to "demand" that you take a coke bottle and shove it up your XXX! I have every right as a human being to demand that or anything else of you. You can comply or ..... NOT! I would assume NOT but that is entirely up to you
If I get 10 calls, 8 of you guys ask if the girl has reviews and when I ask if you write reviews for the girls, the answer is NO I can't I am utr I can't write reviews! What kind of sense is that? I feel like TER should only allow the guys who write reviews to be able to read them! How do you expect the girl to have any if 90% of you are either to illiterate to figure out how to write one or just to lazy! If you can call ladies, make dates and read TER and the reviews then you sure can write one!
don't give a lady a 6 for appearance and then explain that rating because she was older than the 20 year old you were expecting, when it is clear on her web-page and in her profile that she is in her 30's. OR.... give another lady a 6 for appearance and in the review, explain that rating because she looked different than her pics when her pics are blurred! Because if you do this, I am going to call you out on it.
Just like I am calling you out on this little "drive-by" you are pulling here with partial info! OMG, I better close the doors now because you are not going to utilize my service after standing up to you!
I write a review every time unless asked not to by the provider (If she's UTR or there are some other circumstances that a review would impact). I write it if it is good, bad or ugly.
I also leave feedback on every Ebay transaction I do and drop reviews if I buy something from Buy, Amazon or wherever. It's the INFORMATION superhighway...so I add as much info as I can.
I am not saying that the guy write a review only if it scores high! THAT IS NOT THE POINT! if you feel the session was bad write 1 and 1 but at least write one, that is the point.
Thats great to say but we all know that if a girl or agency doesn't like a review they can get them deleted. If they can do that than more reviews will end up being more good reviews. Traci are you now following the lead of MTA with all the CAPS and ending every sentence with an exclamation mark? Mike took a beating after his rants about reviews and now you picked up the baton with MTA in the thread as your little yappy attack dog nipping at everyones heels who dares to not buy into your line. It makes one wonder about collusion.
Sorry, I don't need Mike to help me and I think he is more pitt bull than a yapper you are the one who is yapping! I do not follow anyone but my self, I'm to old for that.
So now I am going to be called a bad guy for calling Axxel a Moron right. Well, maybe.... but not by real men and women! Only by boys and girls (children)
How can a person get on here and say anything as "moronic" as this and not expect to be called a "Moron"? Where in the rules or guidelines or anywhere on here does it say that "Agencies" can get reviews deleted?
Do you actually believe the BS that you write on here? Give us a break!
Perhaps if TER made it a little less painful to submit reviews more of us would. Umpteen suggestions have been made to staff about how to improve the review process and I've yet to see any of them implemented. The only changes they've made is to shroud the information even more for non-VIPs.
I submit reviews if asked by a provider. Otherwise, if I see a provider who already has pages of good reviews, I don't see the point of just adding more icing onto the cake.
I understand your point though Traci, this should be a give and take community (as should life!) and not just between hobbyists but between hobbyists and providers as well.
I don't know why more guys don't write reviews. It's not that difficult and you can knock it out in 10 minutes most. Yeah, we get the occasional Unnaproved, but if you can read then you can get that changed to Approved quite easily.
As for the person that says he is utr, WTF is that? We're all under the radar dumb ass, that's why we use handles and not our real names.
Guys, quit being lazy. Write the reviews. It helps us all.
Thats all I'm saying if you had a bad session give a bad review if its good give a good review I am not saying write only good reviews, that is not what I'm saying at all. Maybe it is far fetched to say only guys who write reviews can read them but what the heck it seems like they just pass it off for the next guy to do it.
your right but why post review when it is declined and when u answer back with details they want u 2 rewrite a little 2 lazy 2 check out! thats why a lot of us don't want 2 waste our time. if it's a well know provider no problem ! but if it's not good luck ! u have a lot of agenices & privte providers out here that are banned 4 1 reason or other or no pictures ! this has 2 change or less reviews ! that's why i don't want 2 waste my time with reviews 1.
How do you know that the guy asking about reviews doesn't write them? I never admit to a provider that I have a handle here, and wait a while after seeing someone before I write a review in hopes that they don't tie my real identity to my handle here. The arrogance being displayed by the agencies here is repulsive. Who do they think they are to be constantly telling the guys who keep them in buisiness how we should deal with reviews?
I know I'm not your favorite person, so instead of using an alias, just pretend someone else is saying this:
I don't think Traci is TELLING you to write reviews, I think she is just getting frustrated on the amount of TER appointments her girls are getting (with a good amount of the gentlemen asking about reviews) with out the ole "Quid pro quo" and NOT meaning give her girls a GOOD review, just give them an honest one that is current so that prospective clients know her girls are:
1. Looking the same 2. Performing the same 3. Basically the same as the last review perhaps a month or two ago.
As an independent I feel the same way, if I don't have a review for a few months, I feel like I fell off the grid!
Remember it is just against TER policy to ask NOT to post a review as it is to ask TO post a review. Just food for thought.
xoxo VC Or whoever you pretended to write this post.
I agree, if you live by the review, you should post a review. Now if you have regulars, or live by um the "back channel" rule (whatever THAT is...ahem, cough cough) than live by it or buy a damn membership lol!
in IMHO, you are off base.As one who has written more than my share of reviews, I share your frustration with those who want the benefit of reviews...but are are unwilling to write reviews themselves. That being said, I 100% defend their right to be as UTR as they want.
First of all, by definition, a hobbiest never gives "notta". He gives his $$$, which is what allows your business to exist. The review is free advertising for the ladies, and I certainly understand why you WANT everybody to write one. But it rubs me the wrong way when a lady or agency demands or expects a review. Both the ladies and the consumers in this "hobby" choose the level of exposure they wish to have. The ladies decide if they want to be UTR or advertise on web sites....whether they want to show their face or hide it etc. The hobbiest has NO obligation to a provider to review her. The provider has a potential tangible ( MONEY) benefit to being on the boards. Hobbiests have no such stake in it. We write reviews to contribute to the community, to help each other make more informed decisions. WE are the ones who should be pissed when others poach off of our reviews and dont contribute......and as i said before, it frustrates me. But frustration doesnt equate with a sense that anybody owes me anything for the reviews I wrote. It is MY decision to write a review or not...and it is THEIR decision whether they want to write one or not.
When a hobbiest books an appointment, he has an obligation to be clean, polite and follow any stated rules.....satisfy the donation.....and that is it. Anything beyond that it his choice. He owes you and I.....NOTTA.
when you are in a position like Tracy or myself, you field call after call all day long, week in and week out, from guys asking if a new lady has any reviews or if a veteran lady has any recent reviews or why they don't and almost every one you ask will admit, they don't write reviews.
She is not directing her post to the guys that write reviews. It is directed at all the guys who refuse to see a lady who has no reviews... (understandable)..... yet they wont write a review!
There is a huge imbalance regarding reviews/visits. Less than 10% write reviews and over 90% require them. That is not even close. If the hobbiest demands that a lady have reviews before pulling the trigger, what is wrong with the lady demanding that this person write a review?.... nothing! When she said notta, she was referring to reviews, not money. She was, I believe, clear about that in her post.
You wrote "If the hobbiest demands that a lady have reviews before pulling the trigger, what is wrong with the lady demanding that this person write a review?.... nothing!"
You obviously either didnt read or didnt understand my post. I am sure that it gets very old listening to potential clients bitch and demand reviews, and last minute appointments etc. What you still dont understand is that the hobbiest as consumer doesnt owe you anything....you dont get to "demand" anything of us other than to follow the rules and pay the donation (and be courteous). If the practice bothers you so much maybe you should not offer service to those who dont write reviews. When you complain that hobbiests arent writing reviews, you imply that they are obligated to do so. And as you know, I am not one of those people, I just understand that as consumers, they have every right to shop how they please.....choose who they please...and review or not review who they please. Are they perfect citizens in the hobby community....no....but they owe you....or me for that matter....NOTHING
Steve, I think what Traci is saying is that some guys call in and obviously feel the review aspect is important, however they do not write reviews themselves. In her original post she says that 8 of 10 will ask 'does she have reviews', which is a fair question (I myself have seen a few girls without, but that's me). It's a breakdown in logic. If you believe in the review system enough to discriminate against potential providers who DONT have them, they logically you should write one for the girls you do see. As far as being UTR, I'm not sure how writing a review compromises that. Obviously if you are able to READ reviews and you don't write them, you must be paying for VIP. Paying for VIP would leave at least as visible a trail as posting a review. Unless someone is so dumb as to post personally identifying info (...So, after I finished working at XYZ Bank at the corner of Main and State...I rolled past Bambi's in my 2004 Black Lexus...or something like that).
It's fine if you don't feel like contributing, but to discriminate against the girls with no reviews seems kind of bass-ackwards if you yourself do not write them.
Mike shouldn't have used the word 'Demanded' though...on that point I agree. After all we are the consumers here and really nothing can be demanded from us other than the basic following the rules and regulations as adopted by the community. I knew that one would get things revved up! How about 'request'?
Steve, with this little word "IF" but let me try and help you with that. Isaid...."If the hobbiest demands that a lady have reviews before pulling the trigger, what is wrong with the lady demanding that this person write a review?.... nothing!"
They say the word "IF" is the biggest word in the english language...LOL! I can demand any damn thing I want Steve and if you don't like it...... oh well. You can then decide to comply with my demand or not but I can demand anything I want!
What I said was that if a hobbiest "Demands" that a lady have reviews in order to see her or "expects", "requests" (as Smegma used), etc..... Then the lady has every right to demand, expect or request that the hobbiest write a review.
As far as the money you spend or .....dn't goes, you recieve what you pay for and that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. When you pay MTA Ladies, it means you get a quality lady of your choice to spend an un-rushed specified amount of time with you and provide you with a GFE experience.
The topic at hand though is reviews and the various guys who will not see a lady without reviews and yet won't write them.
A better example would be for me to "demand" that you take a coke bottle and shove it up your XXX! I have every right as a human being to demand that or anything else of you. You can comply or ..... NOT! I would assume NOT but that is entirely up to you
I am not saying the client owes me a review, I'm not saying anything about owing I just said it would be nice, more than nice if a 1/3 of the guys who ask for the benefit of a review give the benefit odf writing one also!
I have never complained or said anything about being called at the last minute?? I have many that do just that and they do it because they do trust my opinion and I take that as good business. so na-na ba-ba!
I'll tell you I am grateful that most guys aren't as filled with anger and most are looking for a good time and I have quite a bit of playful fun with them. After all that being said I still wish they would write reviews.
I have a feeling that TER will get more $20 memberships and we will see a small amount of new reviews.
I hear all the excuses, I don't have the time, I don't want to share, they never approve my reviews, I don't want my review to backfire from either the girl or from my regular chicago girls.
I have even heard stories of chicago girls refusing to give references to out of town girls or traveling girls because they want their "regulars" to see their friends instead. That is OUTRAGIOUS!!!
Sorry I may have gone off topic, but I love it when you give reviews, you rely on reviews, give a little back boys, ok?
That's ludicrous! Very few active hobbyists write reviews and in the scheme of things, the majority of people who participate in this biz don't ever read the boards or sign up for memberships. The majority of sex sold in this country is not through services like this, rather in a more secret fashion. Its great that TER is the leading review site, but it only a small cross section of the sex buying public is represented. Do you think Charlie Sheen uses TER?
I find it a little sad that you felt you had to respond to this, Perhaps I will begin my next post with a joke label. p.s. Aren't you the one that refuses to write reviews but will only see ladies with reviews? That's kinda shitty!
Never heard me say or write that smartass. If fact, if you read well, you would see where I said reviews don't matter as much when a provider is good at what she does. Read next time before you are so quick to get your panties in a wad. If you want to box, meet me anywhere.
Actually, when my VIP expires in a week, I won't be paying TER any membership fees. Since I will no longer be able to read reviews, I won't be seeing any new providers and consequently will write no new reviews. Thanks TER, way to shoot yourself in the foot.
Back to the original topic. All Traci is saying is that if you're gonna bug the hell out of her asking whether her girls have reviews, then please be nice enough to write reviews. If you don't want to write reviews, then don't bug her about reviews. You can still her girls but don't waste her time with review questions if you're not willing to give 10-15 minutes to write one. Why is this so difficult to understand?
It does make sense, and I can understand your frustration, Traci.
The one good thing a review does for us, gentlemen, is allow for the girl to see what she did well/good/best and what she could improve on in terms of her time with a gentleman. Feedback helps us to be better play dates for you. It also lets us, as providers, get a glimpse as to what you're into (in the case that you might have written a review). It sorta lets me get to know you a bit before I actually interact with you in person. Does any of this make sense? Or am I talking to a wall again?
I give you a lot of credit to take the time to look at the reviews we have written to see what we "are into". I give you a A+ for that. Damn, I need to meet you soon!!!
But I for one, usually only write reviews for great to exceptional experiences. If I see a lady who has great reviews and I only have a average or less then average experience with her, I will not write a review. Maybe something didn't click, not her fault, not my fault, but I'm not going to give her a bad review unless it's really bad.
I hope most providers are doing as you do, by getting to know us hobbyists through the reviews. Having a provider being in tune with your likes is a huge benefit to hobbyists, and the most valuable thing to me personally. Good post Charlotte.
As far as the cumbersome duty of filling out the profile each time a review is written, that should be optional. Getting at least partial VIP credit for reviewing a previously viewed provider, would also be an incentive to review more often.
Simply write your general details and juicy details in word first. This way there is no time limit and you can quickly post anything you have written without fear of running out of time. Second windows vista allows you to jump back and forth between open windows, simply cut and paste from a recent review any info. Windows 7 will allow you to display both the an old review, to be used as a template, and the new review form you will be filling out. Yes TER could make this easier but it does not take a genius to make it easier on one self. thanks, doc
unfortunately that still doesn't address the issues I posted about. BTW...I have been posting reviews on TER just as you described for several years. It is good advice for those newbies out there. Also on a word program, spell-check can be performed.
Many years ago (as Cathy at RS2K, MTA Mike, and Apropo Traci can attest), the internet was littered with message boards, reviews sites, and advertising sites. All of them have the same ingredients that TER has, and they are all have their content generated by the users. It is the user's content (the reviews, message boards) that have made TER the leader. Many of those other boards are still around, but the content in terms of quantity and quality have really fallen off. My point is, TER thrives strictly on its content, of which a vast majority is provided by the hobbyist in terms of reviews. No reviews, no website.
Great questions! She's got no answer for them. There's lots of women who come and go in this business and when she's really into the biz and does it well, good news travels fast. I know plenty of women in this biz that don't have 300 reviews on TER or the other boards for that matter and who've done quite well. They rather it be that way too. Reviews are great for people who must rely on them, but even in the pay for play arena, how the hobbyist shows up can make or break the session. Some ladies want to do very little for top $ and then wonder why the guy doesn't repeat.
I'm sure many hobbiests have significant others, and the least experienced of divorce attorneys could easily get the grounds they need for a very lucrative settlement. I believe grade inflation is way out of hand as well. While having a wonderful time with the providers, I could never give the grades they typically receive. Honestly, how many once in a life time sessions can a hobbiest have? To rate them in what I would consider a fair manner, would paint me in a bad light, and limit those willing to see me. Finally, I hear that it is a hassle getting a review posted. There are enough hassles in life.
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