Greetings - I posted to this board a few years back and I'm back to post again.  Last time the board helped me, so I'm hoping for the same this time around.  I'm an African-American executive and I travel to Chicago two or three times a month for business, I'm from the San Francisco area.  When I'm in town, I attend black tie events, sporting events, concerts, dinners and so on with clients.  I'm seeking a provider that is open to being my companion to the events when I'm in town and other times doing a standard appointment, ideally ongoing for both.  I'm a R2K member, the issue I'm running into is that I'm finding a number of providers in the Chicagoland area assume that I'm a "pimp" when I mention the part about black tie events or ask if I'm looking for a groupie for a basketball or rap personality.  Don't get me wrong, I like to have "fun" especially after an event but my primary focus is the event first.  I've had a few double the posted rates when I tell them I'm African-American.  I'm not looking for a bargain but I do want to be treated fairly.  I'm upfront about my race because I don't want any surprises but when I do it seems to change the context of the correspondence and creates the difficulties.  I respect providers that don't want to see African-American but I don't want to feel like I'm twisting someones arm to see me...do any forum member have recommendations for providers for black tie events in my situation.  I'm open to all races and ages.  Feel free to PM me or reply to the thread.

Thank you

there are always plenty of ladies looking for a gentleman..that seems to be the case here..

I absolutely do not discriminate on the basis of race, and have found that gentleman come in all shapes, sizes and colors. So that would certainly not be an issue with me. Plus, I do relish any excuse to get my hair done and get dressed to the nines

That said, my bionic bullshit detectors do go up ever so slightly when I am contacted out of the blue without ever having met someone who requests anything beyond a standard dinner date, just because sometimes they can sound just a bit too good to be true, and I want to make sure that my time is not being wasted. Sometimes, these plans do come together and everything goes swimmingly. But I have been contacted by a few people here and there that want to do overnights or take me on a trip for the weekend right off the bat, and as soon as I ask for a deposit or even basic screening information, I am met with radio silence.  

So in this instance, I may want to know a bit more information about the event (i.e. the website for the event, or at least the charity/organization for which it is being held) just to make sure that it's legitimate. I also would most likely want to speak to a reference or two. Rs2K membership is great and it makes things simple on both of our ends, but for longer dates it is nice to speak with a lady or two that you have seen that can verify that you are safe, discreet and respectful. Again, this is the type of screening that I would want to do for anyone who would want a longer date; Race is entirely irrelevant.

Finally, while you do seem like the type of gentleman who is seeking a certain caliber of provider (and forgive me if I am just stating the obvious) but where are you looking for these ladies? It should be self explanatory, but backpage is definitely not the place for you. It seems like that is the bulk of where the "No African Americans" providers advertise. But Rs2K is not devoid of them either. I just think that in general, most ladies in Chicago who are around the 400/hr range or higher tend to be less discriminatory in this way because we have the luxury of screening and getting to know our clients in many ways before actually meeting them. So if you've been looking below that price range, that could very possibly be your problem...which quite frankly doesn't seem likely...but eh, sometimes you have to give credence to Occum's Razor :P

Hope that helped, best of luck to you and again, I am always more than happy to get dressed up...just sayin'
 

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As noted with other providers, we would need to know more information about the events in question. As with most people we don't want to be caught with our pants down at the wrong time.  
I like to be prepared for whatever situation that may arise throughout the evening.  
More information the better, please only disclosed to the provider of your choosing.  

Just some food for thought.
JC

Thank you for the perspective and possibly I have to change my approach.  I assumed being upfront at the beginning about attending events was the best way, I didn't consider it would raise the bullish detector.  Ironically, I was trying to show my true intentions, never did I look at it from the other side.  If having a standard visit first makes the provider more comfortable then that is something I should consider.  I have no problem providing references and I would always welcome the screening.

Thank you again for the perspective.

I think it is a shame that you are having this problem, especially considering you come across as a lovely guy. Shame some ladies cannot screen properly and therefore feel the need to exclude an ethnic group all together.  

Just a thought.

Serena x

I sympathize. I don't know, however, why you would say that you "respect" providers that don't want to see African-Americans. I don't respect them. I think that is bigotry and discrimination. I am white, but for over 30 years, it has been my personal policy that if a provider says that they won't see African-Americans (or Hispanics, or Arabs, or any other ethnic or national group per se) I won't see them. I encourage others to do likewise.

Maybe he means he respects their rights to be bigoted, which is more understandable.

your stupid policy is bigotry as well. from your thinking, lady has no say and should see anyone.

It is the ladies choice to see anyone she want's not yours get that through your head.

She doesn't have to see anyone at all. But she should not discriminate on the basis of race or ethnic origin. That is bigotry. And no, it should not be tolerated.

maybe so, but it is MY choice not to see bigots. And to encourage others not to, so that ultimately such bigotry ends.

People can have personal preferences without being a bigot  just in case you did not know.
We all have are preferences and make are own choices and it is not up to you or me to tell a women who she should or should not share her body with. If you do not like it just move on.

Given we as American citizens, we  have the right to our bigotry as long as it does not infringe on someone's rights. I think of it as a version of  "natural selection". Bigots and Racist will weed themselves out of our society. I am a black man and love all skin colors.  My two cents.

A lot of times its not really about her being uncomfortable with skin color I am told. I have been told candidly that the woman feels that she will be robbed, or raped, or the he is likely to be a pimp. It's unfortunate that she has to stereotype an entire race to feel safe, but when it comes to "my safety" I suppose I would spare no expense either. I would not have a good time if I suspected that she was afraid of me. I just wish these providers  would identify this in their ads instead of forcing me to call or email to find out.

my 2 cents

It is up to us when someone advertising services to the public says that they discriminate on the basis of race. Such discriminatory advertising of services is properly illegal.

and this whole darn thing is completely illegal!

My thoughts though I like all shapes, sizes, colors, and personalities of man, I can see why someone might say they do not visit a certain type.  

Lets put this into perspective.  What you all ask from us as guests is a very personal and very specialized service, not everyone can do it and do it well.  What you desire of us is that we do it well and as honestly as we can while offering exactly what you want and need.  Some can do it awesomely for everyone who crosses their path, others have found difficulties when they are not attracted to certain types.  My thoughts are that putting it out there that you can't indulge with certain types for whatever reason saves that person time(if they are turned away at the door) or money(when they get a lack luster session because the girl clearly is not attracted) to be able to spend it with someone that WILL truly enjoy their company.  I see nothing wrong with it.  Everyone wants a lady who can clearly wrap her mind around getting lost in a session with them, it can be a total drag when that just can't happen and it was known to the lady in advance.  Honesty does sometimes such but in this industry it can also save you $$.

Now I will have to recant something I said before above to prove a point.  I don't usually get along well with very aggressive guests, or dominant males because I am a more aggressive and slightly more dominant female.  While I do not say I do not visit with that type of guest I am able to present myself in such a way as not to attract that type of guest.  It is not easy or even possible with some other things to word, like lacking attraction for certain races or body types.  Being direct also most times stops the attraction to that provider.

Now I also advocate Maybe's right to also choose not to see someone like that, however please do keep in mind that it is not always discrimination but the respect for that culture and the unwillingness to waste their time, effort, or energy and even money that sometimes drives those classier comments.  

In this you have the right to choose who you share your body with, why then should we have any less right?  Because we are being paid?  If roles were reversed, I am sure you would see things differently...  MUCH differently since men are much more visual then we are.

In case you did not know here it is still illegal. The state does not tell anyone nor has the the right to tell anyone on how they have to use there bodies. If you know of any other countries that do and enforce it as law then post it. Again if a woman has a preference that does not make her a bigot even the OP knows and as he said respects peoples choices as long as they are upfront with them

Then you obviously don't care about a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body. There is a REASON we turn down money. There is no reason for you to care other than that you are a chauvinist who thinks we should have to fuck anyone with the right amount of money.  

Oh, and by the way, not only do I accept black clients, I prefer them.  

A little expansion on this...

For those who get upset and think girls are bigots for not accepting certain clients, consider this:

This is not legal. There is no record keeping for us. So, what recourse do we have to keep ourselves safe, really? We can't very well scream your name from the rooftop, and the majority of trouble makers change their name and move on. At most, we can say we will personally not see you and try to warn our friends.

If you started doing this, and you noticed someone slipping the condom off, you would be upset, right? That is your health, livelihood, and personal life at risk. Now, say that there is very little you can do in way of reporting this individual. What do you do? Chalk it up to an asshole and move on. But, how many times would you personally put up with that, before you started noticing that certain cultures and therefore generally certain races are more prone to this kind of behavior? Do you keep risking yourself? Or say "fuck it I've got enough business ill just do what I can to keep myself safe"

At what point would you notice something wasn't ok, and how long would you wait to take more proactive measures about it?

Now, that specific example is not about African Americans, as I have run into far more dick head white asian or indian guys and I am sick of the constant "she thinks you're a pimp" excuse (usually given by clients who don't know what they're talking about and continue the idea for the new girls) but really, there are patterns. And at a certain point, you can't blow it off as simple racism.  

I am not saying all girls who don't see certain races aren't just racist POSs. I'm sure there are, just like there are racist POS clients and dentists and mechanics and tulip planters. But what I am saying is that we see a lot more than you do, and if we don't want your money, we have probably come to that conclusion for a good reason. It doesn't have to be your reason or experience, but it's what works for her.  

Yawn!! Same old. Same old.

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When I said I "respect" the provider, it was more based around, I understand the provider has free choice.  While I may not agree with the reasoning behind it, I would never had reached out to them if they stated it upfront.  As someone else mentioned, the frustration often comes when it takes a few correspondence to determine they don't see African-Americans.

You're a dumbass. There is no such thing as discrimination regarding who you'll have sex with. Find that law and post a link. The whole hobby is illegal you idiot.

No one tells any of us, male or female, who we can or cannot share our bodies with. Get off your high horse.

1. Many providers state in their ads and websites that they are only offering legal services. it would follow that to advertise a LEGAL service, but state that service is not provided to someone on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, age, disability, (and, in Cook County and Chicago, parental status, marital status, legal source of income, and a number of other categories) is unlawful--more than simply the denial of service--the presenting of the AD itself is then clearly a violation of the law. Of course we all know that illegal services are actually being offered, but the ad itself is illegal if it states a racial preference.

2. The SECOND flaw is that laws of general applicability ALSO apply to "illegal businesses." Many hypotheticals can make this clear.
If I owned a tavern downtown and lost the businesses' liquor license, the sale of even a single beer would then be illegal. Even then, it would ALSO be unlawful for that business to advertise that it did not serve African-American customers.
If I owned a convenience store, and did not apply for and obtain, and display a city of Chicago appropriate business license, my operation of that store would be unlawful. Does anyone really think however, that the fact that the operation of that convenience store was unlawful would be a DEFENSE to a further illegal act by that business, such as selling cigarettes to minors, selling food past its expiration date, etc.? In fact, it is very common in Chicago for some businesses to be unlawful because they don't have needed licenses--but that does NOT stop the city from coming in and citing the owner for OTHER violations--of zoning, of health code violations, etc.
Under current law, the employment of persons not allowed to legally work in the U.S. is unlawful. An employer could not, however, successfully defend themselves against a claim that they failed to pay such employees the minimum wage (now as of today $7.50 in Illinois), failed to pay overtime for time worked over 40 hours per week, or employed child labor, by saying, "oh well, it was illegal for me to hire them anyway, so I can't be held to wage, hour, or child labor laws." To the contrary.
The example another poster gave was correct, that tax laws, for example, apply to illegal businesses. And many persons involved in illegal businesses, if they have any sense, file federal income tax returns and pay taxes on that income. They all remember the example of Al Capone. Some of them assert the Fifth Amendment on the question of their occupation and the source of their income, as is their right. Go to the IRS website, and you can easily find the instructions that state that illegal income is subject to federal income tax.
Persons who illegally sell marijuana, I have heard, have been successfully prosecuted for not purchasing required federal tax stamps for their product.
The city of Chicago now licenses home based businesses, and has a number of restrictions on them. If a home based business does not obtain such a license, it may well be illegal under the appropriate ordinance--but it wouldn't be a defense to violation of the other restrictions (such as on the number of employees allowed, etc.) to say, oh well, we're unlicensed and illegal anyhow, so we can have 40 people sewing clothes in our three room apartment, rather than the 1 unrelated employee allowed, etc.
Many years ago, there used to be something known as the "obscenity defense" to copyright infringement claims--i.e., the theory was that legally "obscene" matter, which was illegal, could not be provided with copyright protection, on the basis of public policy. That doctrine is gone, and the fact that a given film, book, etc. has been found legally obscene in a particular jurisdiction is no longer a defense to a copyright infringement claim by the owner of the copyright on the material. (See Nimmer on Copyright, and Nimmer on the First Amendment for quick access to some of the applicable cases).
I'll stop, because I think literally thousands of examples could be stated.

So, you can make an argument that you don't like it or agree with it. But the fact remains, that if a prosecutor wanted to prosecute or a rejected customer wanted to sue a provider who placed an ad stating a racial preference, I'd bet anything that they would win. Illegal businesses are subject to otherwise neutral laws.  
Conclusion: I believe it is close to obvious that the ban on racial discrimination in public accommodations would and does, in the final analysis, apply to a business arguably engaged in the providing of illegal services, particularly when those services are advertised to the public.

I love blk gentleman I would love to be your companion im a true well rounded young lady who has a degree in hotel restaurant mgnt so im well educated outgoing and up on personal events

Did check out my website.

Before you ask, Of course i know how to wear heels and have a appropriate cocktail dress.  lol

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