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SimplyGFE01912 reads

I don't know what the rules are on here about using a celebrities full name, so I will just use the name Charlie.  He once had a show with another man and a kid and apparently has some "anger management" issues.  Most of you should be able to figure it out.

Charlie found himself in front of a judge for soliciting the services of a prostitute and he said to the judge... "your honor, there has been some kind of mistake here.  I did not pay that young lady to have sex with me.  I paid her to leave when we were done"

Charlie is a funny guy but he is also a guy that understands this business.  I have heard it said on here many times that this is not "match dot com" and it is not.  

So, I thought I would get on here and give a different perspective than some that have tried to rationalize and minimize the risks of using avenues like BP..  We have a system put together on here that allows us to participate in this subject matter and minimize the risk factor to almost zero!  There are probably and literally many hundreds of ladies in the Chicago area who have great reviews on TER.  If you are a single guy and have a dime a dozen job that gives you nothing to lose, then I guess the risk is no big deal from a legal standpoint.  However, if you are married and/or have kids and have a substantial job that would all be at risk of being lost from any legal problems, I would steer clear of doing anything that raises the risk level even a little bit.

I have been scheduling for girls for over 10 years and if you check, you will see that I have worked with some pretty popular girls in that time.  In that time, I have developed business relationships with literally thousands of guys.  During this recession that we have experienced, many of them have not had the extra funds like they once did and have either cut way back on their participation in this or cut it out totally or have looked elsewhere for less expensive alternatives.  

I am sure that all of the ones that have had problems, have not come back and been honest with me about it.  However, many guys have and the stories are sad.  The worst are the ones that lost everything and luckily, they are the fewest.  Then you have the ones with the stories of having a gun stuck in their face and the ones who were extorted by the girls using their personal info to threaten to out them.  Luckily, these are a small number but one is too many if you ask me.  The biggest complaint I have heard is the amount of time and money spent searching n searching and driving to supposed incalls and being stood up and all the money spent on sub-sub par services to find one that was even close to being worth it.  What started out to be a money saving venture, ended up being a more costly one when considering everything!

The problem with BP is that there is no communication where the bad apples can be driven out both on the provider/agency and the hobbiest side!  Its like stepping back from civilization to the wild west.

The moral to this whole story is that this is absolutely not match dot com and the grass is not necessarily greener on the other side!  Play Safe!

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macdaddy1944537 reads

well said..use the system and avoid the risk..unfortunately some will never want to or know how to use it..

Posted By: SimplyGFE01
I don't know what the rules are on here about using a celebrities full name, so I will just use the name Charlie.  He once had a show with another man and a kid and apparently has some "anger management" issues.  Most of you should be able to figure it out.  
   
 Charlie found himself in front of a judge for soliciting the services of a prostitute and he said to the judge... "your honor, there has been some kind of mistake here.  I did not pay that young lady to have sex with me.  I paid her to leave when we were done"  
   
 Charlie is a funny guy but he is also a guy that understands this business.  I have heard it said on here many times that this is not "match dot com" and it is not.    
   
 So, I thought I would get on here and give a different perspective than some that have tried to rationalize and minimize the risks of using avenues like BP..  We have a system put together on here that allows us to participate in this subject matter and minimize the risk factor to almost zero!  There are probably and literally many hundreds of ladies in the Chicago area who have great reviews on TER.  If you are a single guy and have a dime a dozen job that gives you nothing to lose, then I guess the risk is no big deal from a legal standpoint.  However, if you are married and/or have kids and have a substantial job that would all be at risk of being lost from any legal problems, I would steer clear of doing anything that raises the risk level even a little bit.  
   
 I have been scheduling for girls for over 10 years and if you check, you will see that I have worked with some pretty popular girls in that time.  In that time, I have developed business relationships with literally thousands of guys.  During this recession that we have experienced, many of them have not had the extra funds like they once did and have either cut way back on their participation in this or cut it out totally or have looked elsewhere for less expensive alternatives.    
   
 I am sure that all of the ones that have had problems, have not come back and been honest with me about it.  However, many guys have and the stories are sad.  The worst are the ones that lost everything and luckily, they are the fewest.  Then you have the ones with the stories of having a gun stuck in their face and the ones who were extorted by the girls using their personal info to threaten to out them.  Luckily, these are a small number but one is too many if you ask me.  The biggest complaint I have heard is the amount of time and money spent searching n searching and driving to supposed incalls and being stood up and all the money spent on sub-sub par services to find one that was even close to being worth it.  What started out to be a money saving venture, ended up being a more costly one when considering everything!  
   
 The problem with BP is that there is no communication where the bad apples can be driven out both on the provider/agency and the hobbiest side!  Its like stepping back from civilization to the wild west.  
   
 The moral to this whole story is that this is absolutely not match dot com and the grass is not necessarily greener on the other side!  Play Safe!

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HangingwithBears427 reads

Many of us are hobbying less these days, I certainly am. I'm not one to take unnecessary risks of any kind so BP is not an option I'd consider. Rather than look for cheaper dates, I've taken the position of hobbying less because of across-the-board rate increases. Whereas I used to hobby weekly, now it's semi-monthly and I've gone so far as to have skipped months entirely. That's the way I make ends meet. To the ladies I see on a regular basis, the definition of "regular" has changed for me even if it hasn't changed for them. It's unfortunate that I can't see them as often as I'd like but I play within my means.

Having agreed with you, I take one exception. I don't give out my private info so using an agency is out of the question for me. I understand you're a reputable agency but my rules are my rules, no one gets my info. While the risk of giving out private info to a reputable agency is very small, it's certainly more of a risk than not giving it out at all. I choose the latter to stay safe which is why I don't use agencies anymore. One of the agencies I used a lot got the big bust but they never had my real info so I was at no risk from that disaster. The other agency never required I provide my real info so I've used them on and off over the years. These days, I stick with independents who will screen me by reputation and references rather than by requiring my real info. Luckily, I've had virtually no problems seeing whomever I wanted and I greatly appreciate those ladies who understand my position and take the time to screen me by other methods.

If agencies want more business, they might consider screening methods not requiring private information. I've said time and again that we shouldn't give out our real info to anyone. Doing so puts us at risk for blackmail or backlash from less than stellar reviews. You CAN hobby without giving out your real information so do good research and seek out those ladies who are willing to take the time to screen you in other ways. There are many great women out there who do this and the better your reputation, the easier it becomes for them and you.

For those of you gambling on BP, all I can say is I hope I don't see your mug shot online...

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spartacus71350 reads

Couldn't have said it better my brother. Very well said! I totally agree with all your words 100%

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Sage of Chicago423 reads

you make is sound like Joe Blow with 3 reviews from backpage girls can get away with that.  Some long standing reputable gents with tons of reviews/references from many of the more reputable and well known ladies and you might be able to.  Maybe...  Without that any reputable provide is going to snub her nose and walk onto greener pastures...

You talk about you being at risk only...  Do you have any idea what has happened to us as providers(no me personally because I collect all of the data and check it I can to make sure both me and my guests past present and future are safe)?  Maybe not but there have been women beaten, raped, killed, stolen from, abused both mentally, verbally, and physically so without any info what protects us?  Nothing at all.  You can already read up and check us out and even read the personal things we do with our guests, why not let us do the same.

All it says to me Polish Pirate is that you have no trust for any of the women you bed through this hobby, and that my dear is truly sad.

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HangingwithBears335 reads

I hobby based on my reputation and it took many years to build that reputation. Sage, you know I'm well aware of what goes on in this hobby on both sides. I'm surprised that you questioned my knowledge of the bad things that have happened and you also know that I fully support screening to whatever level makes a provider comfortable. Where we differ is in regards to private information which I don't believe helps protect a provider from someone who intends to harm her. How many guys have been blacklisted by providers after multiple rip-off reports and yet those guys still are able to see providers? Men who do these things don't care if they're outed on blacklists. Demanding my private information means you don't trust me either so there's a pot/kettle issue, lol.

Regarding your comment about trust for the women I see... I have complete trust in a select few AFTER I've gotten to know them very well. Trust is earned, not blindly granted. Giving my private information to a complete stranger doesn't seem to be a very smart thing to do so I don't do it. In my early days, I was rejected by quite a few providers and I understood that was the price I paid to maintain my privacy. You ladies have many ways to determine if a local guy is safe. Having the ability to blackmail or out him doesn't build trust in my opinion, it's merely an easy way to take revenge and let's face it, there are some crazy providers out there who blacklist for stupid reasons. I read the blacklist sites quite frequently and it's laughable what some providers will out a guy for. He was late, OMG! LOL...

You and every other provider are free to reject me and I don't hold it against anyone who refuses to see me. I fully understand your concerns about safety, all I'm saying is that there are other and possibly better ways to research how safe a client is. It might require more work on the provider's (or agency's) part but then, I spend a lot of time researching the ladies I see.

FYI, I once gave my private info to a provider in a stupid moment of lust and we didn't get along very well. I still worry to this day about the damage she could have done to me but even though we didn't hit it off, I trust that she'll never reveal me just because we weren't a good match. But I learned my lesson and I'll never do it again

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Sage of Chicago334 reads

Let me address a few things here

Posted By: Polish_Pirate
Where we differ is in regards to private information which I don't believe helps protect a provider from someone who intends to harm her. How many guys have been blacklisted by providers after multiple rip-off reports and yet those guys still are able to see providers? Men who do these things don't care if they're outed on blacklists. Demanding my private information means you don't trust me either so there's a pot/kettle issue, lol.

This ia actually 2 things but they are addressed together so, so shall I.  The I don't believe comment, you have no idea what will or will not keep us safe.  A gent who has provided his real info is a whole lot less likely to damage a provider because they know they can be brought up on charges.  Real info does protect us in that way even though you do not believe it does.  As well with the black lists and continued visits, that is the downfall on the providers behalf.  There are many sites out there where you plug in a name or # and if there are uses the info pops right up, some are private others are not.  It is the providers responsibility to check that, to make sure to do everything to make sure each guest is ok beyond her own thoughts.  If their were a course it would help alot but many new girls just don't know better, established sometimes get careless or comfortable and cut corners.  SCREENING SUCKS, it is what makes this profession work.  I would love nothing more then to spend my time on my knees then to have to do that but it is needed.  

To address the 2nd thing, you know from demeanor and reviews what we are about.  Through research you can and do have the means to be picky and see only providers you know are safe to play with.  This is easy!  You have the ability to build a re-pore with a provider and know you will hit it off.  What we do not have the luxury of in ANY way.  Reading your reviews tells us next to nothing except what services you like, and since you are writing it we have no way of knowing if that is even how it really went down or if the review is true since many will not dispute a good review even if it never happened.  What I am trying to say is though you have the ability to know about us, we have NO idea about you without checking you out.  That is why I can honestly say I have never been hurt, damaged, or busted in all of my years because I am crazy about verification.  
   

Posted By: Polish_Pirate
Regarding your comment about trust for the women I see... I have complete trust in a select few AFTER I've gotten to know them very well. Trust is earned, not blindly granted. Giving my private information to a complete stranger doesn't seem to be a very smart thing to do so I don't do it. In my early days, I was rejected by quite a few providers and I understood that was the price I paid to maintain my privacy. You ladies have many ways to determine if a local guy is safe. Having the ability to blackmail or out him doesn't build trust in my opinion, it's merely an easy way to take revenge and let's face it, there are some crazy providers out there who blacklist for stupid reasons. I read the blacklist sites quite frequently and it's laughable what some providers will out a guy for. He was late, OMG! LOL...

OMG, do you just think we all practice crap ETHICS, do your research and you do not have to worry about someone outing you.  Those of us with steller reps are not going to compromise that by causing a guest grief.  We have morals, and ethics though our views on sex tends to be way more liberal then either the government or bible.  You as for us to provide you with the most personal of services, for us to open our bodies, minds and imaginations to you yet you are so worried about your name.  Personally that sounds like a complete lack of respect.  This is not a mechanical service lightly entered into, but a very personal one...  There is no way I will let someone I don't even know their name enter between my legs, and that is very moral and a great ethic.
Posted By: Polish_Pirate

  You and every other provider are free to reject me and I don't hold it against anyone who refuses to see me. I fully understand your concerns about safety, all I'm saying is that there are other and possibly better ways to research how safe a client is. It might require more work on the provider's (or agency's) part but then, I spend a lot of time researching the ladies I see.

Please BC me because in all of my years I have not found a better way of screening then I use.  Blindly trusting someone else for your screening is a mistake, there are other things besides references that are checked for and I know I do.  I never ever just take others word that a guest is fine because that is NOT a solid way to screen, other measures are used.  But please, PM me so I can be filled in on these better business practices, I would love to know so that I can figure out a better way.  Aren't we all looking for better ways to keep our selves and our guests safe?  And no hun, I don't think either of us are on the others to do list and that is fine.
   
Posted By: Polish_Pirate
FYI, I once gave my private info to a provider in a stupid moment of lust and we didn't get along very well. I still worry to this day about the damage she could have done to me but even though we didn't hit it off, I trust that she'll never reveal me just because we weren't a good match. But I learned my lesson and I'll never do it again.  
 
FYI no one is going to out you or cause you issue because you didn't hit it off.  LOL.  Now if you beat her, damaged her, stole from her or the like then you could expect to be black listed as well reported to police which should happen in most of those instances.  But without real info, that would of course go unpunished and I am sure you could look in that case to have your name slammed if it were to have gone down in a nasty way.  Not hitting it off is no big and happens to everyone.

I am going to end now.  I knew I should not have read your post that it would only incite the beast in me to be loosed...  You as guys have so little to loose if you check out providers correctly.............  We have everything to loose including our lives like as in DEATH, freedom, liberties and the inability to really know what a guest is like till he walks in the door...  

No sir, without your real name there is no way you are going to enter into the most private and personal of services with me, no way.

We will have to agree to disagree...  Take care and I am not reading more from you, it will just make me think even less of you PP

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Pumbu247 reads

....yes...sorry, forgot what I wanted to say ...

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