I noticed this on another board where a lady posted a guy's info on her site.  In your opinion, was this a wise move?

Personally, I think she is committing career suicide.  Posting someone's info is a bad move.  If she posted this on a private board/site, that's fine.  But, putting this info for people to see is not a good idea.  You think guys are going to book with her after this!

Ripping off a lady, NSNC, stalking, etc. is not cool at all.  However, they are private websites and boards where this info can be posted at.  

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I saw what you are referring to.  I think this is a terrible move.  I liked the looks of this provider until I read her blacklist.  What would she do if I had an accident on the way to see her, who can take that chance?

We need more information. What did she post and why did she do it? Did the client try to hurt her physically? Was it just a case of not paying her? Did he just not show up? Was her intent to warn others that this was a bad client?

Also, what info did she post? His name, telephone number and address? Or was it just his TER handle?

I agree that whatever her reason was to make the posting, clients are going to think long and hard about seeing her at all.  

I once had a provider send a group E-mail (listing about 200 E-mails at the top) to her clients saying that she would not be available for the next two weeks (vacation). Boy, did the shit hit the proverbial fan. Clients blasted her for giving out their E-mail account to others as they were now associated with an escort. She created an absolute mess and I am sure lost a lot of clients.  

The post in question can be found on a board associated with canines.  It is in the Chicago section.

Why all the beating around the bush?  Here's the link.  Her "Bad Client List" is at the bottom of the page.

http://www.marilynannwaters.com/aboutme.html


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The guy may very well be a timewaster and ripoff, but to post his name on your own website is not good.  There are other ways to communicate this more discretely (Ladies' board with all these details, these boards but only giving the TER or wow-wow handle, private emails or PMs, etc.).  This makes me at least reluctant to give all that sensitive information to this woman, and I imagine any hobbyist would think twice about sending her that kind of information.  So yes, I think this move will hurt her.  Just my 2 cents before taxes...

Catlover on the wow wow board

You just double outed the guy, that's why we are beating around the bush!!

Overreaction on her part.

She's kind of crazy for doing it IMO. But apparently guys don't care if she is still around. I have seen her website before when it was mentioned on the boards...can't remember if it was this one or another.

If a guy just NCNS or didn't pay (at all or just shorted her), post it on the ladies board not on your website for everyone to see. If a guy was violent, raped her, and left her for dead...well that is another story IMO and he deserves everything that comes back to him. This petty stuff that she lists guys for unfortunately happens in the adult entertainment biz and doesn't need to be made public on her website. It is in very poor taste.

Bella

Something like this may escalate  into an ugly mess. Not a good move on her part. She was wronged but playing dirty all you do is raise more dirt.

"HES SHOWS UP TALKS TO U THEN LEAVES WITHOUT PAYING.... " - Her caps...

     Assuming that this guy availed himself of 2 hours of her time - clearly he should pay.  but all we know is that he showed up and "talked". Not how long he stayed, nor if he found her appearance different than her pics, or any other legitimate reason to refuse payment.

  Then she exhorts the "guys" to have fun with his phone number...

  Strikes me as extortion.

  Further she warns that no shows will have their contact information posted as well:

   "IF U MAKE A APPOINTMENT AND DONT SHOW UP OR U LEAVE WITH OUT PAYING I WILL POST YOUR INFO IN MY BAD CLIENT LIST" - once again her caps.

   Imagine that you had car trouble in a bad cell area. No indication how long she waits after a no-show to drop this particular bomb. No indication that she'll bother to attempt to find out why someone missed their appointment.

  NCNS is of course bad etiquette to be avoided when ever possible. But posting personal info on a public website in that particular circumstance is simply over kill.

 If he stiffed her then I don't have much sympathy, but on my next trip to Chicago, I think I'll pass.
Heh
-J

Totally uncalled for but more than that, totally unprofessional!

While what he did was wrong, her response was overkill.  The crime did not fit the punishment based on the details she's shared.  She even seemed to be amused by her post.  Had he mistreated her or endangered her in any way then it's open season on him.  What he did seems 1 step removed from a NSNC.  How would she feel if he posted all of HER civilian info & bio for the public & her family & her employer to find on a google search if the tables were turned?  This shoulda been relegated to the back channels & ladies boards or posted differently on the general board with directions to pm for details.  This poor judgement on her part would be sufficient grounds to put her on my DNS list.  My $.02.

Yes, the client was guilty of bad behavior!  But, to post his information on a "public forum" is in very bad taste.  This hobby requires trust.  Unfortunately, that trust does not always go both ways.  Just as it is not appropriate for a provider to post a gent's information, it is not appropriate for gentlemen to do the same with a provider's personal information.

There are many "private ladies forums" out there where this information can be posted.  By doing this, she can share her experiences with other providers and, hopefully, prevent this from happening to another lady.  She can also send him an e-mail asking him to make explain a "no show," or a "shortage," etc.  Or even leave a voicemail on his phone.  What she should never do is break the confidence he has shown her in providing his personal information as it makes all of "us" look bad and causes clients to distrust ladies and not want to cooperate with prescreening which is critical for our safety.

If she does and she works out of an apartment maybe someone will get the idea to send her neighbors a postcard with her name, contact information and a brief description of what goes on in her apartment.  Maybe they'll send the same postcard to the town's LE and elected officials.

That would be a shame.

If this individual is harmed by the outing, he knows of her location and her information.  She could have put herself in danger as well.

certainly if I am physically attacked.. nonconsensually of course LOL.. I no longer feel a commitment to discretion.  I do also believe that if somebody uses me under the agreement of the green and then does not honor that at ALL... that to me is basically rape.  I once again do not feel that the commitment to discretion follows if the parameters of the agreement have so blatantly been dishonored. I am not sure I would go so far as she has.. but if he did complete the "act" and did not honor his part of the agreement at ALL.. I think she is absolutely right in doing what she did.

This is the reason I hate giving out personal info for screening. The vast majority of providers are very nice women and I know they wouldn't pull a stunt like this. But what she did was completely uncalled for. There are other ways to pressure him to pay up and I bet she could have accomplished it without exposing him. My fear is that giving confidential information to someone you've never met is very risky. Yes, I know providers engage in a risky life style as well. Trust and discretion are very important on both sides and she went overboard with her reaction.

Thanks to the guy who posted her site link. I'll never even consider seeing her and I'm glad I now know who to avoid like the plague. I'd never do anything like this to a provider but she's a huge risk if you piss her off. Not good...

Bella, you're right about everything you've said here. I don't want to give you the impresssion that I disagree with you in any way. Rather, I'm reinforcing the comments you made.

Sin, you've summed it up quite well. That's exactly what she has done by her over-reaction. Like I said in the previous post, there are other ways to pressure him to do the right thing but she chose to skip those methods. She's a bad apple and one to be avoided.

Based on your response, you would be one to avoid at all costs too. rape if somebody doesn't pay you? what the hell are you talking about. What about if you don't honor your appointment with the client? Did you rape him, and would it be ok if he put out all possible information about you in public? If he happened to send your address to LE is that ok too?
I hope YOU lose clients because of this.

The guy is a deadbeat/thief and if he cared about having his information posted, he wouldn't act likea criminal

So if my post kept YOU away from me.. let me just heave a BIG sigh of relief.  

I am confuzzled here though. LOL I did not imply that a no call no show was rape or that outing somebody for that was in any way justifiable. No call no shows suck but no real "harm" done. Sooooo.. please help me see how.. by YOUR definition.. that I would somehow be "raping" somebody?  If I agreed to leave an envelope.. then I would leave the envelope. I am also not talking about forgetting.. I am talking about when it is premeditated and intentional.  

I also want to comment that it is disturbing to me how many of you are defending this guy's behavior.  It isnt like he just stole a can of corn. He obviously is NOT a hobbiest if he does this kind of thing.. he is a predator.

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I don't know if Ms Walters old reviews are still up, or if you can find old threads regarding her here or on TBD, but from what I can remember she was noted for providing a pretty lame service, using old pics, and having a very bad attitude.  That was something like 5 years or more ago.  She has either been out of the hobby, or way under the radar for a long time.  I find it remarkable that she looks exactly the same as she did over 5 years ago, and that she is the same age now as then.  IIRC those pics were noted as being old and not entirely accurate way back when.   If some showed up,  and the  pics and her age were years out of date he had every right to bale with his wallet intact.  This girl has no credibility whatsoever, she is commiting fraud by using old pics and lying about her age.  Take everying she ways with a huge grain of salt.  Ill bet she looks like an old hag, he bailed, she felt jilted, and that is her revenge.

agreed, what a nutcase she is- remind me never to see either of those gals

sin is right- we have all been ripped off at some point on both sides- there are certain things you do, and certain things you dont

these gals have no business doing this- then should be shunned

agreed, what a nutcase she is- remind me never to see either of those gals

sin is right- we have all been ripped off at some point on both sides- there are certain things you do, and certain things you dont

these gals have no business doing this- then should be shunned

There was a posting elsewhere on the net alledgely by Ms Waters that indicated the following:

"MY POSTING WAS TO LET U GIRLS KNOW NOT TO WASTE YOUR TIME WITH THAT FOOL: THAT THIS GUY SHOWS UP TALKS TO U FOR LESS THEN 5-10 MINUTES... THEN MAKES SOME EXCUSE TO GO TO HIS CAR AND DOESNT COME BACK" ..."JUST A ASSHOLE WASTING GIRLS TIME..."

Maybe he did not like what he saw, or her attitude, and and decided to leave. Maybe her photos are old, or she smelled. Maybe we would have done the same.

She said he talked to her for 5-10 minutes and then left.  He didn’t “dine and dash”.   If that's what happened, then maybe he didn't like what he saw and decided to leave.  That's not so hard to believe if Axxel is correct about her using old photos.  There are many women who meet clients in a public place to be sure the client is an ok guy (or good enough to spend time with a cynic would say).  Maybe the man didn't like her personality or behavior and decided to leave, again not so hard to believe judging by her actions in this case and her reputation of being difficult. Would anyone complain if a provider called off an appointment if she wasn't comfortable with the client for ANY reason?  I doubt it.

If any of these theories were true then maybe the client could have been honest and told her that he wasn't comfortable staying for the appointment, thanked her for her time and left.  Then again, if he were honest would she have acted any differently or would she been just as petty and spiteful.

One last thing, whose definition of "the parameters of agreement" should be followed?  Let’s say through reputation and advertising we know that Jane Doe’s parameters include CIM, but for some reason she chooses not to engage in this act with a particular client.  Does he have the right to post her real name, incall address and any other information about her that he knows?  When Jane Doe accepts the envelope isn’t there a tacit agreement that all of her services are available? She’s not charging less because CIM isn’t available so why shouldn’t the client expose her personal details?  To me the answer is no, he doesn’t have the right to go that far.  

There are ways to communicate a problem with a client or provider without posting deeply personal information that could cause grievous harm.  If a man felt “dishonored” by you does he have the right to post information that could have a profoundly negative effect of your family life?  Again, the answer is no, neither clients nor providers deserve those repercussions.  She wasn’t raped, he didn’t beat her and he didn’t steal from her.  At worst he wasted her time, a small transgression compared to what could have happened.

but I thought he stayed and played for 2 hours. That situation is what I was responding to.