I am a little curious as to why southsideirish's review of Ashley Marie was pulled down. He essentially said she was cute but not super hot. What is wrong with that? If reviews are pulled down cause someone thinks a girl is a 7 and others think she is a 10, then what is the point of reviews as everyone has different taste. It also leads me to believe that reviews are BS and only inflated reviews are posted. Its not like southsideirish said she is ugly, he simply said she is not as hot as everyone says she is. I actually appreciate the honesty. I think its pathetic that his review was taken down for him giving his opinion/assessment. Is a provider's ego so fragile that she can't be taken being called a . Let's face it there are almost no 10s. A 10 is Gisselle Bundchen and I don't any providers are Giselle Bundchen.
Very disappointed in TER.
I agree with you stating that the review should not have been taken down, that is unless Southside requested it. Most of his "issues" with Ashley seemed to be personal preference and that's why I also think it should have remained up. However, judging from the reviews of everyone else, she is just as gorgeous as in the pictures. If she resembles anything from the pictures, I'd give her a solid 10 in my book...And if she performs anything like the reviews, even better.
His review alone would not deter me from seeing Ashley Marie, considering the other 20+ sparkling reviews. I just need to find the time to actually schedule to see her...
The board moderators nor anyone on the boards is not going to know why the review was removed. If you're that curious send a PM to admin and ask. I doubt they will tell you. The other option would be to PM southside irish and ask him. Under his "Account Manager-My Board Posts" it should state a reason.
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Seeker 717, there was no comment?
There can be a myriad of reasons for the review coming down. But ultimately you would need to ask the reviewer or provider why indeed the review has been removed.
So how about it SSI, care to fill us in on why this came down? Feel free to PM me ![]()
ChicagoCPA, thanks for the comment and much appreciated, but to me this smells of the provider's ego was hurt and felt such a rating was bad for business and so hell was raised and it was taken down. A review unless it is a lie or has inappropriate comments should never be removed, otherwise there is no integrity in the process. A 9 to me could be a 5 to you and a 5 to you could be a 9 to me. Its all in the eye of the beholder and to be honest my guess is SSI's review was probably the most honest review and hence its removal. Its just sad that people cannot post honest reviews. I have seen this exact scenario happen to many times on TER.
Full disclosure - I have seen Ashley Marie a number of times. The woman is very hot and is model material. A number of well respected hobbyists have seen her as well and did not complain one bit about her appearance.
I read the review and I knew it had to be a revenge review. I'll explain a revenge review in a bit. If I remember correctly, the reviewer complained about her face, scar marks [boobs], and lack of tan. First of, she has a very pretty face. If you were to see her in person, you'd probably feel the same way. She does have some scarring, but it is not that serious. Now, a lack of tan...are you fucking serious? Talk about being petty. What's next, her toe nails were colored orange and it distracted me?
Now the reviewer gave her a 6 for looks. Once I saw that, revenge review popped up in my mind. Guys write a revenge review when the following happens:
1) Hobbyist falls in love with a provider and she turns down his romantic advances. This scenario happens quite a bit.
2) The hobbyist tries BBFS or a service not on the provider's menu [Greek, CIM]. This is the most common reason for a revenge review. The guy may also try rough stuff and the provider tells him to chill out. The guy feels bitter and tries to cause problems for her business.
tatmoney15 - some honest reviews do get taken down unfortunately [from experienced hobbyists]. There are indeed some inflated reviews on TER. But, it is up to you to research and a get a feel of which reviewers are honest and which ones are full of shit. If you think a review from a first time reviewer is more legitimate than from established reviewers, so be it.
that he will post here to openly (or send me a PM to explain) discuss why the review was taken down.
I haven's seen AM but the plethora of highly rated reviews seem to corroborate CTP's analysis of the review in question.
My only comment on appearance scores is that so many are unrealistic (IMHO) and that has been debated numerous times here. A 6 on TER indicates "nice", and in all reality so many reviews are so inflated that a 6 would be a decent score (if you are comparing the ladies to the total population as a whole). But since the scores are based using TER methodology, once a gal gets a "score" it is inherent that similar experiences need to follow suit (or so it seems). And when a reviewer doesn't follow suit, then we, as the readers need to discern why the reviewer didn't indeed follow suit. And as CTP suggested, there can and are reasons why this happens.
ChiTownPimp: Thanks for the comment but you are making a lot of assumptions. It is also possible that maybe he thought she was not as hot as everyone else. it is a possibility. Also everyone needs to start at some point so the fact he had 1 review is not necessarily a sign of anything. Remember you started at some point too ChitownPimp!
Also I hunk he had 4 reviews too. I am just saying unless a review is totally false it is he said she said. Mayhe his honest assessment was just his honest assessment.
What? Somebody gave somebody a subjective 6 on looks...you didnt agree with it...so its a revenge review? That's your evidence? Sounds like you are trying to curry favor with the provider.... Revenge is found in the words written not the numbers assigned...the later are clearly subjective....the former convey feelings, thoughts and emotions...its only in that context one can assess intent...again numbers are clearly subjective...and nothing should be inferred from them alone....jmho
I read the review and I knew it had to be a revenge review. I'll explain a revenge review in a bit. If I remember correctly, the reviewer complained about her face, scar marks [boobs], and lack of tan. First of, she has a very pretty face. If you were to see her in person, you'd probably feel the same way. She does have some scarring, but it is not that serious. Now, a lack of tan...are you fucking serious? Talk about being petty. What's next, her toe nails were colored orange and it distracted me?
Now the reviewer gave her a 6 for looks. Once I saw that, revenge review popped up in my mind. Guys write a revenge review when the following happens:
1) Hobbyist falls in love with a provider and she turns down his romantic advances. This scenario happens quite a bit.
2) The hobbyist tries BBFS or a service not on the provider's menu [Greek, CIM]. This is the most common reason for a revenge review. The guy may also try rough stuff and the provider tells him to chill out. The guy feels bitter and tries to cause problems for her business.
tatmoney15 - some honest reviews do get taken down unfortunately [from experienced hobbyists]. There are indeed some inflated reviews on TER. But, it is up to you to research and a get a feel of which reviewers are honest and which ones are full of shit. If you think a review from a first time reviewer is more legitimate than from established reviewers, so be it.
Amen Longshot Louie! I think reviews are inflated and then a rating fell out of line and the provider through a hissy fit. My point is just cause the provider is not happy why should TER take her word that it was a revenge or inaccurate review as opposed to believing SSI. Its not like he gave her a 2! It was a 6 which means nice.
As I stated there are no 10s unless Adrianna Lima, Giselle, or Marissa Miller are providers! So can anyone say any provider looks like any of the aforementioned girls! If anything I question the reviewed who give out 10s so freely.
I've been around the block many times (don't let my few reviews under this handle fool you). You need to see Dodda Venett--she is the hottest natural beauty I ever saw in person. She is a better looking Heidi Klum, if you can believe it, and absolutely a 10. She's the only provider I ever gave a 10 for appearance. And I have had the nasty PMs from providers for low appearance scores (in their opinion) to prove I didn't inflate scores. I double dog dare you to see her and not give her a 10 for appearance. LOL
El Diablo always an exception to every rule!
I have heard about the legend that is Dodda and she is on my must see list. Also you hit the nail on the head its the only 10 you ever gave. A lot of guys give 10s left and right. I myself have never met a 10. The highest ever is an 8.5. Thanks for confirming my desire to see Dodda! ![]()
and looking at the gals you have reviewed (5 as of this post) all but one are rated as a 9 in appearance. Obviously that is a very very high rating for so few gals that you did review (and I understand that you have seen "many" more...but didn't review under this handle) so qualifying that you are a "tough grader" and don't "inflate scores" is diminished in value the way I see it.
I have said several times over the past few months now, that if I could go back and adjust all of my TER reviews, the typical appearance score would be reduced by an average of at least 2 points (more on some than others). And my grading moving forward would be based on how you are "comparing" Dodda to Heidi Klum. My basis for scoring a gal would be based on the gals I see everyday in real life. Would a Dodda cause me to "crane my neck" and "follow her around" just to look at her? I don't know as I have never seen her. And perhaps I would, but I can tell you I have seen some of the top rated local and National ladies (some reviewed..others not) and truthfully, I haven't seen that gal I would rate a real 10 yet.
But as some have discussed, a 10 should only be given out ONCE. And if we all took this approach, it would be very very interesting (assuming we could and would) to change all scores to reflect the real appearance scores, not the TER valuation of these scores.
But given the system we have, and the way it is presented. I have yet to be disappointed in any gal that I have seen (for appearance). And knowing what I now know, I simply deduct 2 points from a gals average score to give myself the expectation of what she will really look like. And thus far, no disappointments.
An appearance score of 10 should not be a one-time occurrence. There are many women in this world who are 10's and some in this hobby as well. Beyond this, consider how your rating system would work.
If only one provider could have an appearance score of 10, then once you give a provider that rating, no other provider you'll ever meet in the future could be more beautiful. How would you know that to be a fact? What happens when you meet an even more beautiful provider? Do you then give her a 9?
I get what you're saying CPA, there is obviously grade inflation going on here and many providers consider an appearance score less than 8 an insult. I have no idea why this is the case but it was going on long before I got here. I do think you're wrong that one and only one provider you'll meet the entire time you're in the hobby will be a 10.
Tatmoney has not submitted an acceptable review.
If only one provider could have an appearance score of 10, then once you give a provider that rating, no other provider you'll ever meet in the future could be more beautiful. How would you know that to be a fact? What happens when you meet an even more beautiful provider? Do you then give her a 9?
I get what you're saying CPA, there is obviously grade inflation going on here and many providers consider an appearance score less than 8 an insult. I have no idea why this is the case but it was going on long before I got here. I do think you're wrong that one and only one provider you'll meet the entire time you're in the hobby will be a 10.
the reviews would allow us to modify the scores after we have been away for a while. Too often the guys write the reviews still on their endorphine highs and the endorphins are screaming the scores. The problem is NOT with the scoring system, but in fact (IMHO) the reviewers themselves.
Many guys are willing to give an 8 or higher to any gal that breathes and smiles at him. As you said, this has been going on before you or I have been here, and will apparently continue well after we are gone.
But if we were to only be allowed one 10 for our career, we would need to modify existing reviews to accomodate that type of rating. Could it work..sure. But then the guys who hand them out like candy would only be able to give out 9's.
For the time being however, I will continue to adjust my "expectations" by reducing a gals average TER score by those same two points, and thus my ability to not "be disappointed".
I reviewed as Stimulus-Package and tonylakers too. I did not give all 9s for appearance, I just got better at picking really good looking ladies as time went on.
. I didn't review when I started out cuz I didn't go to really hot ladies at first. Had to get my bearings before I moved up to the big leagues. LMAO.
After seeing so many different gals in the biz, it does become much clearer which ones are "real" 8+ gals. I suspect if you could go back and reassess your prior reviews you may agree that many of those "old" scores were inflated by a point or two (or three). You also "learned" to understand and speak TERese fluently, which allowed you to determine (using whatever method you incorporated) which gals were really "all that and then some".
I don't necessarily agree that taking down a review for a lady that wasn't consistent with her other scores is in the best interest of "us guys". As one poster discussed, we might dismiss it as a revenge review, or some other type of "incorrect" assessment. However, I had read the review in question, and frankly, it seemed to be fairly straightforward with no apparent agenda. But as I said in my earlier post, the only ones who could really answer would be the reviewer himself (and I thought he did based on the review), and the lady reviewed. They were the only ones there, and we weren't. But when a guy posts an appearance rating, and backs it up with specifics, that seems to lend some credibility to the review. And for us to argue that "it can't be right" would require you/I to see the gal and make our own determination.
What I have also determined (for myself) is that I have a particular type of gal that I gravitate towards. Ironically Ashley is not the "type" that I enjoy the most, and perhaps that I also might only have given her a 6 or 7. But having read her other reviews, I would also be remiss as I know she is NOT my type. And I think a lot of guys go into a session with a very different expectation then the results give. And occassionally, as perhaps in this case, the scores directly reflect that.
in looking back yesterday (which I hadn't done in well over a year), I think my appearance scores remain true and consistent. I don't have VIP (I'm really out of this game), so can't see your reviews. Have we seen any of the same ladies? Are our appearance scores inconsistent? That being said, I think I would lower some performance scores from the past as I got much nastier as I went along. ![]()
I don't necessarily agree that taking down a review for a lady that wasn't consistent with her other scores is in the best interest of "us guys". As one poster discussed, we might dismiss it as a revenge review, or some other type of "incorrect" assessment. However, I had read the review in question, and frankly, it seemed to be fairly straightforward with no apparent agenda. But as I said in my earlier post, the only ones who could really answer would be the reviewer himself (and I thought he did based on the review), and the lady reviewed. They were the only ones there, and we weren't. But when a guy posts an appearance rating, and backs it up with specifics, that seems to lend some credibility to the review. And for us to argue that "it can't be right" would require you/I to see the gal and make our own determination.
What I have also determined (for myself) is that I have a particular type of gal that I gravitate towards. Ironically Ashley is not the "type" that I enjoy the most, and perhaps that I also might only have given her a 6 or 7. But having read her other reviews, I would also be remiss as I know she is NOT my type. And I think a lot of guys go into a session with a very different expectation then the results give. And occassionally, as perhaps in this case, the scores directly reflect that.
is Heather. And what a coincidence, we both gave her 9/9. I don't recall the gals you had seen previously, but it may very well be that we have others in common as well.
But just using Heather as an example. If I could redo all of my existing appearance scores using the criteria I outlined earlier, I would have Heather at a 7 (attractive). But remember that I would be rating all of the others as well, and my new 7 would be a very good rating for this purpose. Because a 9 (model material) would be for a gal that I rarely see (anywhere). And obviously (as I have discussed elsewhere) a 10 would be reserved for that "once in a lifetime" gal.
Years ago my Father had a "best" friend who was a very good looking single guy who had an affinity in dating Playboy bunnies and models. I was pretty young at the time, but clearly remember some of these gals he brought over. Some were really hot (8), but most were closer to just attractive (7). And using this as an example, you can see that I thought Heather was pretty hot! But also realized that some of the gals I have seen, as I reflected on this, were closer to average to just above overall.
But we could dwell on these scores forever, and no two guys will see a gal the same way. As many have said, your 10 might be my 7...and vice versa.
Overall the system works well as long as one understands the system. It is where a guy really thinks that if a gal is all 8's and 9's she will be "that incredible". And many times she is probably a nice looking gal, just, as the original reviewer in question, felt she was not "all that hot". Just his opinion, but one that should have been left alone for a potential customer to determine it's merit.
Eve Alexander
And your review of her was one of the reasons I went to see her!
And you gave her an 8/8 while I gave her a 10/9.
But perhaps what I saw differently (and later on in her career) was that petite redhead that really hits my buttons. But I waited till my second time with her to write my review on her, and the overall experiences with her were outstanding.
And perhaps you aren't all that into the petite redhead type gal vs the taller blond (Dodda) type gal (as both Eve and Dodda are ranked in the top 5).
That's what makes this all so subjective. But damn...it is fun ![]()
You aren't the only one who saw her because of my review. I'm pretty sure I was her first real review. She'd tell you otherwise, I'm sure, but I played a significant part in her eventual success, and I'm damn proud of it. I sent a lot of guys her way, gave her advice and kinda watched over her. Saw her several times and watched her mature into a confident, top notch provider. Her potential was patently obvious from the first conversation I had with her. And that HAIR!! Of all the ladies I've seen and all the great features they have, the most memorable and stunning feature of all is Eve's soft, flowing Auburn hair. That stuff was like pure silk on my chest and tummy when...aw, you know. She's sharp as a tack and learned fast, even though she can be abrasive, know-it-allish, and cocky. I like her very much, but I don't think the feeling is mutual these days. Haven't seen her since she started traveling, which is eons ago. She was my gift to the community. Your welcome. ![]()
And your review of her was one of the reasons I went to see her!
And you gave her an 8/8 while I gave her a 10/9.
But perhaps what I saw differently (and later on in her career) was that petite redhead that really hits my buttons. But I waited till my second time with her to write my review on her, and the overall experiences with her were outstanding.
And perhaps you aren't all that into the petite redhead type gal vs the taller blond (Dodda) type gal (as both Eve and Dodda are ranked in the top 5).
That's what makes this all so subjective. But damn...it is fun
Let me try to sum up what I said so that it will be approved: the Eve you saw is not the same Eve I saw. HBS1, how's this? This board has become a joke!
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That is the entire gist of this entire thread! We see gals that we find attractive and report the results. But as you discussed, you might have seen a lady early in her career, while others may have seen her later (and this can go both ways including provider burnout).
But the appearance scores will, IMHO always be so subjective. If someone is looking for that "Amy Adams" look, Eve is the logical choice. But if a guy doesn't do his homework, thinks she will be a taller, heavier, punk look, etc... Then he will see someone other than the gal you/I have seen. And in all probability give her a lower score due to his "disappointment". And probably ask "what were those other guys thinking?".
But we will not change the system, we can only learn to play within its rules.
I think you missed my point. The numbers aren't inconsistent when providers change over time. You started seeing Eve well over a year after she started, giving her a year to hone her look and get more comfortable in performance. Plus, with the appearance number, I tried to be objective for the community, not subjective to my tastes. I prefer redheads to blondes (I married a redhead) and for my taste, Eve is better looking to me subjectively than an 8. The reviews are for others to use, not your personal Penthouse forum story. Every red blooded American male knows the cultural standard of objective feminine beauty. That's what I think hobbyists are looking for in appearance ratings and that's what I always gave them. Eve is but one example; you just happened to bring her up.
Wow, I better knock off all this posting lately or I'll become one of these pathetic trolls. BTW, thanks Fugly for reconsidering your position on my post and allowing it (although the two posts together now look weird). Back to your regularly scheduled programming, sans el-Diablo, who's going to keep his mouth shut for awhile.
Namaste
It was a revenge review dipshit.
I would like someone to tell us all where we "provoked" anyone
He had nothing to do with you starting an argument with CTP while hiding under an alias. That kind of thing has always been handled within the thread by the parties involved, and the moderators don't need to be given instructions on how to do their jobs by the participants. Good God I had my fill of that, and then some. Listening to whining on the boards and behind the scenes was the worst part of that job and, come to think of it...there was no best part!
I have no opinion on your thoughts, just how you chose to deliver them. If you want to attack someone, step out into the light of day. Or, don't get pissed off when you get the inevitable attacking response, because 9 times out of 10, you'll get one.
Fugly does a nice job, leave him alone
I've trashed numerous post of yours that never seen the light of day. You can hide in the bushes and snipe with aliases at those you don't like for whatever reason but you better be able to handle the retaliation. I'm not about to let you take shots at people and then step in when you don't like the responses.
The Board NEVER used to allow personal attacks like this.
You obviously know each other, and the double standard / appearance of impropriety is glaring.
Some of the guys here have excellent points. Ratings are subjective. No one gave this girl a 2!
People speak their minds, and all of a sudden you call it taking shots. No one called anyone a name, swore, or made any personal attacks - UNTIL this bs post about being an F'ng troll. ...and you allow it, AND encourage it. and you wonder why well known guys here use aliases?? because of crap like THIS.
Lets have some full disclosure here. Why the double standards?? Removing posts you disagree with, but allowing posts from your friends?
Lets have an honest and civil discussion here for once
That's your response? name calling? Swearing? and a big exclamation point too - wow!
Why? because someone actually has a different opinion? Or because no one DARE give your girlfriend a review of a 6 or 7???
If she doesn;t get a 10, its "revenge"?
Your credibility on judging women is down to about a 2
Did you even bother to PM Ashley about what happened with the session? Where is SouthSideIrish and his version? I guess you advocate fake reviews remaining on a provider's profile? If so, you are a fucking idiot.
As for credibility, you have none. Where are your reviews? Then again, you are posting under an alias to protect your sorry ass from being exposed.
He gave her a 6, according to you.
-He didn't think her face was great, per his standards.
-He complained about her tan - you do not dispute this but call it petty
-He said she has scars - again agree with it, but say (subjectively) they are not that bad.
I haven't heard anything showing me its revenge. For what she charges, which is sky high prices, perhaps the guy felt there was false advertising here. He gave her a 6. If it was vindictive, he would have given her a 3.
All I see here, is a provider who complains when she doesn't get a 9 or 10, a provider who charges a lot of money and promises a great deal, and a guy who sticks up for her but has seen her multiple times and obviously knows her. Instead of a discussion, you resort to swearing and name calling.
Then we have a moderator who obviously knows you... so he allows cursing and name calling on the board - something that has NEVER been allowed on this board!!
There are numerous people who agree with me. You don't like aliases, but you and your friends personally attack anyone who disagrees with you, or is critical of one of your regulars.
First of all, established and credible hobbyists gave her excellent scores. Once I saw that she was reviewed by established gents, I knew she was the real deal. So when I read the review by Southside Irish, I took it as a bogus review. I think TER did the right thing in this case.
The reviews are fun, can't take them seriously or use them to compare providers. Most of the reviews are exaggerated to the point that they loose value. There are some providers, definitely know few in Montreal, who routinely ask hobbyists to give them a 9 or 10 if they want a referral or ever want to see them again. You can notice such providers routinely list only those hobbyists on white referrals, who gave 9 or more to them. As a hobbyist it is easier to get away by giving a high rating, get a good referral and avoid any nasty argument with the provider. Having said so there are several providers who deserve the best ratings, such as Kylie, Alexa to name a few in Montreal. Salut to them.
Rather than suffer all that drama, I've chosen not to write any reviews. I can but apologize to anyone who was subsequently disappointed by a highly-rated provider whom I could have helped you avoid ...
I have recently been very disappointed in several providers who were rated 9 or 10 only to find them to be 7s. Not that they were ugly, it's just the honesty and expectation thing. If I have a sense a provider is going to be that big of a bitch about a score lower than what she expected, I think I will jus avoid making that appointment. Get over yourself.
I 100% agree. I saw Ashley Marie last year and was extremely disappointed with the service provided and her face. She definitely did not look like the photos advertised and not worth the cash spent. Her personality was nice and definitely a great body, but the face was not up to par. I did not write a review giving her a 7/8, just to not deal with the drama from some of the bullies on this board.
The statements by sanghrjk confirm that the review process is a joke. A provider simply has to complain and a review will be taken down. This also confirms that SSI's review was TOTALLY legit. He did not think Ashley Marie was worth the totally inflated reviews. TWO PEOPLE HAVE NOW STATED NOT WORTH THE 9S AND 10S. A review should never be taken down cause its essentially he said/she said. If a review is truly out of wack, it will be corrected with the overwhelming positive reviews.
Also its pathetic that people feel that they can't post honest reviews which are negative as they will be attacked by other hobbyists and the provider.
Could you imagine if YELP allowed restaurants to take down negative reviews as easily as TER allows providers to do so. If that were the case every restaurant on YELP would be 5 stars.
This board is for honest/critical assessment and not A PR machine for providers who get to dictate which reviews get posted. Truly disappointed that TER would allow providers to transform TER into a hype machine as opposed to honest critical evaluation.