We are worth it.
XXX-Giselle ParkerI have been around for a couple years now and I'm having a difficult time understanding why anyone pays over the average (in Chicago) $300-$450 per hour rate.
I look at the reviews and many of the ladies that charge the average rates are rated just as high as the ones asking $500+. They offer the same services too. Any ideas why johns pay the really high rates?
For the record I tried a couple when I first started and saw no difference, besides being lighter in the wallet. Are the high priced ones just taking advantage of newbies?
Why do folks buy Bentleys instead of Kias?
Why do folks pay for Wagyu steaks instead of hamburger?
Why do folks pay for 1st class instead of coach?
The rate question is one of the most overdone discussions on TER. People pay higher rates because they can. Does it make it right? That is up to the individual. They determine if the rate paid meets their expectations. If it does, the person/service offering the higher rate will stay in business. Otherwise, they need to adjust to the market in order to stay in business.
For the folks that constantly whine about rates, why not focus your energy on getting a higher paying salary [self improvement]? There is another board where the majority of the guys complain about $200 rates! If $200 is stretching your tight budget, you probably should not be hobbying.
Yeah, I took those factors into account - my question was why pay more for nearly identical 'products' (sorry ladies)? A Bentley is not the same as a Kia. And the status of a Bentley is irrelevant since no one sees you with a high priced escort.
And if you read my post, I can pay more but choose not to do so. As I said, I tried the higher priced providers and saw no benefit. It is like you didn't even bother to read the post. That, or reading comprehension is not a skill you possess.
I understand the economics of this hobby, thank you. My question was directed towards the johns who choose to pay more.
Identical products!?! So an obese provider is the same as an athletic provider? A 21 year old provider is the same as a 60 year old provider? Based on your logic, you are inferring that they should be charging the same rate since they both offer BBBJ, CIM, Greek, etc? Even if the looks and age were equal, there are other factors in play [performance, attitude, personality, etc]. You are also dismissing the self worth of the individual [the provider]. If a provider wants to charge $3000, let her. I won't be calling her for a booking. But, if she can get business at that rate, god bless her. Would you like someone going to your office and telling your boss that your salary should be lower since you do identical work [to someone off shore]?
I choose to pay higher rates to the providers that excel in looks, performance, attitude, etc. Sure I can get laid with any provider. But, not every experience is the same. I've had some sessions with HDH that did not exceed my expectations. But, the majority were beyond stellar. That is why research is a key component in this hobby.
There have been a few ladies that I've seen that have increased their rates quite substantially. I chose not to see them at a higher rate because of the rate/value factor that I have determined for myself.
As I stated earlier, it is up to each INDIVIDUAL to determine the rate/value factor. I'd love it if each 10/10 provider had an extremely low rate. But, that is not realistic in Chicago. Supply and demand, plus individual choice/taste is what determines the paying rate.
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Again, read the post. I said, providers who are the same: same ratings/age/weight/services/etc. Obviously an old obese provider will not charge as much as a young skinny one, all other factors being equal.
After destroying your previous erroneous analogy, you would think you would have learned not to make more nonsensical ones. Again, I was referring to the market here, denoted by the word "Chicago". Obviously then, your offshore reference is bunk, as I never talked about a Bangkok street walker, now did I?
Okay, so your answer is experience. Great, thanks.
Those three variables determine how much a provider can charge. Not in that order, but if a lady has all three she can charge an Elite VIP Premium rate
Yup!
I also hate to point out to Don that the average rate for Chicago is NOT 350-400... those are just the average rates on review boards lol. The 'average' comes out to right around 500 when you take even just the first 20 ads on another site I can't mention, and add in the 250 all the way up to the 1500. The higher the hotel prices, the higher the average rate is for escorts... duh. I am not even all that great at math, and even I can figure that shit out. In Florida during off season, condos on the beach go for less than 150 a night... provider rates are less than 300. In NYC hotels can go for over 400 a night on average, and the escort rates have to adjust or the girl is working from her house.... never a good idea.
Why do some guys pay more? Because they value more than just the sex and realize that for any less a gal can't exactly afford to do the extras they want like renting a suite vs. a one room shack, offering not just a glass but a full bottle of their favorite wine or liquor, cook 5 course meals and not charge any extra for that because it's included in the rate already... need I go on? If all you want is a naked chick with a pulse in a midrange hotel, just give up TER and go look on BP. They are not hard to find.
from cars to hotels to clothes. It's a personal preference.
I personally have a limit to what I will pay and what I can justify indulging myself. A provider is responsible for getting the most profit out of what they are doing just like any small business. They have the freedom to set their rate where ever they want. Just as we as the consumer have the power and freedom to choose what we are willing to spend. There is plenty of good value out ther if your looking to get the best "Bang for your Buck". Nothing to get upset about. If you think a girl is over valued than don't give her your business, your in full control. What we are not in control of is deciding what a provider should set her rate at. I'm sure ther is pier pressure among providers to not "give it away". Happy shopping !
I'm not upset nor would I ever say what any provider should charge.
I want to understand the reasoning behind it. I do not care what people do with their money but would like their insight into why and what value they get from it.
OK, I'll wander into this minefield.
For the most part I agree with Don Juan...all of the ladies I've seen in the last 6 months fall in the $300 to $500 range. My experience is that there isn't much difference except that my two $500 sessions were sub par...don't really think the rate was an issue we just didn't "connect"
One factor might be if the lady is low volume...one of my favorites is $400 but is very low volume whereas another is medium volume and is $300. These are business 101 decisions.
I do think that rates are more of an issue when deciding if to repeat at least for me...I see my two favorite $300 ladies more often.
That's my 2 cent
I'm not talking about you Giselle (or any other specific providers in this thread). You are right in that...
Some are worth it but others aren't, no matter what they say or advertise or do.
XXX-Giselle Parker
I could have set the over under a good two months longer and still won all my bets. Congratulations on lasting MUCH longer than ANYONE would have predicted.
So does this mean that we should expect to see CosmicSuckUp back among us soon?
Oh well, I guess you have to take the good with the bad. AAR welcome back, and thanks once again for lasting as long as you did.
Tee-hee! You're so funny!
XXX-Giselle
Why do some men pay more? Because they CAN! Why do some women get to charge more? Because they CAN! You're welcome. Christ.
While you may have one set of criteria and be entirely consistent in how you evaluate them, every other person will either have different criteria or evaluate them somewhat differently. Your criteria and valuation may be internally unique and consistent, but can never be externally uniform and consistent - this is absolutely impossible.
For example, you mention that "status" is something you consider, but value little as you don't go out in public. Others DO go out in public, and may value "status"(?) more highly.
I am personally consistently inconsistent. I may value certain things one way for a 2 hr afternoon tryst yet have very different things in mind for a clock-free dinner date. Others may value variety in height, weight, race, etc... over consistency in these factors.
I value a 10 performance over a 10 appearance any day. Others would say the opposite. We'd never agree on the difference between a 9 or 10 in either category in any case - one man's 10 is another man's 7.
The idea that "all things are equal" is an entirely individual and internal construct.
That being said, I do look for what I believe to be the best "value" given what my desires are for a given "date". Most often, that is easily found within the "normal" range of donations. While others might choose differently, I wouldn't say they were "wrong" in their choices - unless they were trying to make a choice for me
If you don't want to pay or can't afford providers in the 300 to 400 dollar range, there are providers that will be just as good in the 200 dollar range. The provider I'm currently seeing gives me great discounts on her regular rates. I'm not going to complain.
I think that is more the ladies not realizing their value or wanting to make sure the get visitors during the one week a month they work.
For me:
ATF: $200 Hr.
Hottest body and best sex- $200 hr
Hottest greek- $250 hr
Best P- $200 hr
Hottest lady- $300 hr
Best GFE- $400 hr
Best open menu with great GFE- $500
In addition to attitude, looks and performance, I think that the higher rate is indicative of professionalism, screening and safety. I'd rather pay more to meet at a higher-end hotel in a nice area of the city. I'd rather deal with an assistant that isn't flaky and I'd rather see a lady that has a good head on her shoulders and is into providing an experience.
I'd rather not deal with flakes, that stay at some sketchy location where I feel like my safety is compromised, could be arrested, robbed etc.
Make no mistake about it - a higher rate is not a guarantee of anything, but I feel more comfortable paying more than looking for a bargain.
The reason is that it is so difficult to throw away money. It's against the law to just throw money in the trash. For paper money, I have to burn it. That's illegal too, but it's harder to get caught. Still, if you think people stare at you when you try to light a cigarette, they are just positively rude if you burn money in front of them. And don't get me started on coins. Best thing with coins is to melt them. That's not as easy as it sounds, either. All coins have different melting points, and to make matters worse the various alloys they use change from year to year. Quarters and pennies are the worst. So, you see, it's very hard to get rid of money. I solved the problem by spending more on the girls I see.
Hope that helps.
Now, that's some funny shit lol.
Strangely, pussy has never been one of them.
If you're concerned with what other people do with their money I suggest you get your own.
for my Clockfree, or 125/hr for my Day Date...or longer. If you've known me for a little while and qualify a "Friend" (have seen me for more than 5 dates-I value and reward those seeking sincere connections), then using my rates, and a little hourly math you can see I'm available for as low as as 101/hr.
It's not complicated. For those women who have a high barrier to entry, and flatten (heavily mark down) their rates for longer dates, they aren't looking for the guy who wants the song and a dance for an hour or two. They are looking for the gentlemen who puts a genuine emotional and mental connection as a priority in these experiences, and deeply enjoys and pursues the well rounded experience of all companionship with the right woman (right for them, not right in absolutest terms 
) has to potentially offer in both public and private settings.
My rate structure is my calling card. It lets a gentleman know I am serious about wanting both the longer date and the longer term relationship by straight up putting my money where my mouth is. Discounting my rates so much for longer dates let's the gentleman who is seeking such an experience know he has found a woman with the same value system in this little subculture you call the "hobby." Conversely, keeping my initial rate high and having a 2 hour minimum requires the gentleman on that end to strongly consider whether I'm truly the right lady for him. If he feels I am, great!...but if he feels I'm not, if he's the sort of person who just wants to see "someone" rather than specifically me, then he's probably right that we aren't a great fit.
On both ends, my rates and rate structure is designed to guide gentlemen toward making the right match, and for many years, it's worked brilliantly.