This is not meant as a poke at you. You are doing your job, and the statement that I replied to IS open for interpretation.
The outing of a hobbyist or provider is a subject that just brings out my dark side.
I received a very disturbing phone call last night. A local provider in Chicago outed a well-known hobbyist not only to his wife, but to his teenage daughter.
If you would like the identity of this provider please PM or email me.
I WILL NOT disclose the identity of the hobbyist as he has enough on his plate right now.
Kelly
Kelly, Thanks for providing this info and keeping our hobby as safe as possible. Because you have such a good reputation, I'm sure this info can be taken to the bank!
Well,that is wrong on all levels...
She needs to be tarred, feathered and ran out of Chicago!
WTF was she thinking involving a teenaged girl???
Bad enough informing the wife. Very sad story.
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AMEN!!!!!!
She was on my "To Do" list. Not now!
karma will come back to her, though it is currently looking like it already is on it's way to biting her in the ass!
She really needs to be outed and her name posted, otherwise we hobbyists will be hesitant in booking with any local provider in the future.
It's against the rules to post her name. If you would kindly PM me, I will give you her name privately.
Kelly
The double standards with the interpretation of the rules are retarded here.
Post that a gal NCNS you and you're hung for not posting her name. Yet in this case, you fan the flames and say it can only be disclosed in a PM.
Kelly
Contrary to recent posts regarding censorship on this board, I had absolutely nothing to do with this provider not being named. I did have to remove a post by someone who posted under an alias and named her, but that was because they had already posted under their real handle. I have asked Admin if there is any such rule after getting a couple PMs about such a rule. I'll let you all know as soon as I hear back from Admin.
**I just heard back from Admin, and I was told that this needs to be handled exactly how Kelly Shannon handled it. This is such a serious charge, and is best handled by the use of private communication. A NCNS is NOT a career-ending offense, but this incident very well could be. Legal ramifications prevent TER from choosing sides. The word is out, and the ability to gain more information is there for anyone who desires it. I hope this helps answer the question some have posed regarding this situation.**
Sojourner
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**I just heard back from Admin, and I was told that this needs to be handled exactly how Kelly Shannon handled it. This is such a serious charge, and is best handled by the use of private communication. A NCNS is NOT a career-ending offense, but this incident very well could be. Legal ramifications prevent TER from choosing sides. The word is out, and the ability to gain more information is there for anyone who desires it. I hope this helps answer the question some have posed regarding this situation.**
Sojourner
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Double standard.
If you PM her, you will get the info. Too many of you guys are amazingly cheap asses.
Legal ramifications? There are none. That's silly.
This is not meant as a poke at you. You are doing your job, and the statement that I replied to IS open for interpretation.
The outing of a hobbyist or provider is a subject that just brings out my dark side.
Crusher ~ please feel free to email me at:
[email protected]
I did, in my original post state that gents and ladies could either PM or email me.
I am getting to the PM's and emails as fast as I can, but it IS the weekend and I'm trying to spend some time with my FAMILY, so please be patient.
Kisses,
Kelly
Drugs! Drugs! This Provider is a TIME BOMB!!
Seriously,
If you're going to out here providing you better
be ready and strong enough to handle what comes with this territory.
Somebody needs to out her so she can't do anymore damage.
xoxoxo
Avery
A snitch? OH NO!
That is a peril that everyone here has to consider.
I am a member of RS2K and have used that for verification purposes. It's a great service.
However unless your name is "John Smith" in "Chicago" it could be quite possible for someone to figure out who you were.
Now the overwhelming majority of escorts wouldn't do that, but you never know who the bad one is. I have seen providers get really upset if there is a bad review. I know I would be really hesitant to write a bad review to someone that I previously gave RS2K information towards. I wouldn't want it traced back to me and deal with that. Now my TER id isn't traceable to my RS2K information but I am still cautious.
Here is my question. There is a provider out there that outed a Hobbyist, I got that part. TER does not want to give out the info because it could end the bad Provider's carrer, OK I guess. The only way you can find out who the bad Provider is (cause she could be almost anyone) is by back channeling Kelly. Then why is it we joined TER and paid our monthly dues.
TER is not outing the alleged providor as TER does not have first hand knowledge of the incident. In the litigous society that we live in today, one must be cautious with dispensing information that could possibly be fictional.
As to your question of why you joined TER and paid your monthly dues? It's because of providors like Kelly that stand up and are not afraid to out a bitch like this alleged woman. Go to another board and look at the participants, you will not find the caliber of people that exist on this site. We are fortunate to have some of the best people in the industry on TER. Long standing customers, both men and women who are willing to help out an experienced hobbyist as well as the newbies. They also have helped this Moderator on several occassions.
Do you have the ability to find out this providors name? Yes. If you wish to know it, send along a quick PM to Kelly and maybe a thank you too.
Thanks Kelly for standing up and being counted. As I said months ago, this board is getting back to its roots more and more every week. People helping people, vigorous debates exchanged with each other and always, always in the end we stand united.
Now, if we could only get those Sox fans to understand the wrongs of their ways, life would be so much better.
What first-hand knowledge of the incident does TER need specifically? Does TER need to be in the room and witness the provider outing the hobbyist for it to be first-hand knowledge? Is TER implying that Kelly Shannon is dispensing information that could possibly be fictional?
The word is out and just about everyone knows who she is and what she did. TER is doing nothing to protect us from her. Her profile is still available and I hope some poor schuck doesn't book with her because he didn't read this particular board and this particular thread. I doubt TER will be hearing from the outed hobbyist so if that's the proof TER needs, we're all in big trouble.
so why is she still listed? TER has banished providers for black-listing hobbyists but this one ruined a guy's life and she's still here? Look at her reviews and you'll clearly see the signs of drug abuse. And if you still don't know who she is, PM one of us and we'll be more than happy to tell you. Do NOT see this provider and TER, please get your ass in gear and get rid of her before she does even more damage.
TER is not responsible for the behavior of hobbyists or providers outside of the borders of this site. Nobody has been censored, and only one post was removed due to a broken posting rule. Kelly has offered up the personal info, to be delivered in a private way.
The affected parties in this saga, are the only ones who can talk with Admin about this in the 1st person. Not you, and not anyone else. The rules at TER apply to TER. If the provider causes a problem ON this site, then thats a different story. TER is not the "policeman" for the entire hobby community.
The flames will now cease and this thread will become a reference guide as opposed to a never ending story. The last available course of action is for the affected parties who were victimized, to report the TER activities involved. Their TER chat, TER PMs, or other TER related forums that are associated with the provider in question, and that relate to the problem. They can forward that information directly to Admin via the contact us button.
Thank you Kelly for helping.
Sojourner