Recently considering patronizing some providers in Chi-town. I'm a relative newbie and still exceptionally cautious, and thought I'd do a little research to assess risk of LE repercussions before proceeding. What I learned kinda surprised me.
In 2015, there were over 1300 arrests related to prostitution in the City of Chicago according to CoC's online crime database (see link below). While an overwhelming number appear to be for solicitation in a public way, a hefty portion are for running a "Call Operation".
Several of these call operations occurred in areas frequently listed on TER.
My question is two-fold.
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1. Have any of the users here witnessed such a bust. If so, I'd like to hear more about what actually transpired before, during, and after the activity.
2. What is an accurate assessment of the risk of LE problems in Chicago while patronizing an independent service provider? I know this begs the question, but I was thinking along these lines...
Suppose that Just 10% of hobbyists are TER members. Then suppose that only 2% of these members' visits are posted reviews. If there were 5,000 reviews posted on TER in Chicago last year, we can assume that 5,000 x (1 / 0.002) or 250,000 transactions took place last year.
By that logic, if a quarter of each arrest last year occurred during visits to a provider, then each visit would carry a 0.13% chance of getting an arrest. Does this sound plausible?
Just curious.
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UPDATE
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Apologies... I tested the link I had provided and it doesn't filter by crime as a default. Go to the 'Find in Dataset' textbox in the upper right and enter 'prostitution' then hit search to see the numbers.
-- Modified on 2/19/2016 1:14:20 PM
If you are so worried about these situations and who you are visiting you need to do your homework on your provider as we do on our clients. If your numbers bug still itching at you, I don't think this is the hobby for you. It will make everyone uncomfortable involved.
In 2015, there were over 1300 arrests related to prostitution in the City of Chicago according to CoC's online crime database (see link below). While an overwhelming number appear to be for solicitation in a public way, a hefty portion are for running a "Call Operation".
Several of these call operations occurred in areas frequently listed on TER.
My question is two-fold.
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1. Have any of the users here witnessed such a bust. If so, I'd like to hear more about what actually transpired before, during, and after the activity.
2. What is an accurate assessment of the risk of LE problems in Chicago while patronizing an independent service provider? I know this begs the question, but I was thinking along these lines...
Suppose that Just 10% of hobbyists are TER members. Then suppose that only 2% of these members' visits are posted reviews. If there were 5,000 reviews posted on TER in Chicago last year, we can assume that 5,000 x (1 / 0.002) or 250,000 transactions took place last year.
By that logic, if a quarter of each arrest last year occurred during visits to a provider, then each visit would carry a 0.13% chance of getting an arrest. Does this sound plausible?
Just curious.
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UPDATE
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Apologies... I tested the link I had provided and it doesn't filter by crime as a default. Go to the 'Find in Dataset' textbox in the upper right and enter 'prostitution' then hit search to see the numbers.
-- Modified on 2/19/2016 1:14:20 PM
Follow some simple rules and you should be fine. Always go with a well reviewed provider and use discretion with etiquette. Stay clear away from the Back Page. If your so paranoid that you can't enjoy the experience than maybe it's not for you and you would be alone. I have many friends that can not get past the fear of getting "busted". Everyone has their own comfort level. Good luck.
separate Call Operations (agencies?) and Street activity from the total?
Those are mostly indy providers. What's that percentage?
I imagine your risk drops dramatically.
See well reviewed indy providers and you won't have an issue. Not that it can't happen, it's just so inefficient that the police rarely approach busts from that angle. If they bust one of "those" providers, how many john's will they net? 1 or 2? Not worth the manpower/money and honestly they really aren't interested in adult/adult prostitution. Kids and traffickers is their focus.
In 2015, there were over 1300 arrests related to prostitution in the City of Chicago according to CoC's online crime database (see link below). While an overwhelming number appear to be for solicitation in a public way, a hefty portion are for running a "Call Operation".
Several of these call operations occurred in areas frequently listed on TER.
My question is two-fold.
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1. Have any of the users here witnessed such a bust. If so, I'd like to hear more about what actually transpired before, during, and after the activity.
2. What is an accurate assessment of the risk of LE problems in Chicago while patronizing an independent service provider? I know this begs the question, but I was thinking along these lines...
Suppose that Just 10% of hobbyists are TER members. Then suppose that only 2% of these members' visits are posted reviews. If there were 5,000 reviews posted on TER in Chicago last year, we can assume that 5,000 x (1 / 0.002) or 250,000 transactions took place last year.
By that logic, if a quarter of each arrest last year occurred during visits to a provider, then each visit would carry a 0.13% chance of getting an arrest. Does this sound plausible?
Just curious.
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UPDATE
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Apologies... I tested the link I had provided and it doesn't filter by crime as a default. Go to the 'Find in Dataset' textbox in the upper right and enter 'prostitution' then hit search to see the numbers.
-- Modified on 2/19/2016 1:14:20 PM
Before you decide to see a lady who screens or doesn't screen, you need to do your research to make sure she is legit. Then you make sure you like her personality. Then you go through her screening form, which is a sign LE isn't in and out of her door, and also a sign that she understands the need to be careful and well informed.
But you gotta' calm down, the police aren't standing on top of buildings watching your every move, unless you're the president. Don't think you're that important. Sure, it's all trackable, but so is everything everyone ever does. That's a lot of people, and a lot of things being done. Just be quiet, polite, do your thing, don't harass the staff, be sure you know where you're going and what you're doing, and just slide right on in and slide right on out.
It's the people who run through life careless and not so smart who need to be scared. But they're not, so they'll continue to get caught. But if you're too scared, you may not get arrested, but seeing the ladies is not going to be fun either.
-- Modified on 2/20/2016 6:02:48 AM
Law enforcement has two goals. The obvious one is punish offenders. The second is to cause people, like you, to weigh the risks of involvement in illegal activities.
LE puts the vast majority of their efforts on the street girls. There are a number of reasons for it. No need to go into them. The next target is Backpage ads that offer incall at any series of cheap motels.
These are both areas where the Johns coming looking for the hookers. It makes for easier and more busts. While I'm sure it has happened they rarely would run a sting out of some independents apartment. They want the low hanging fruit.
Some academic studies say that at any given time there are 16,000 or so active prostitutes in the Chicago area. Your arrest data is just for the city, but do the math. The odds of an arrest are low, avoid the street walkers and the cheap motel trade and the odds approach 0%.
If you are concerned about risks I would say being a victim of assault, extortion, robbery, STDs or being shot in Chicago are bigger worries in seeing a prostitute.
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Your one review is of a girl in NY who doesn't appear to do much, if any, screening. That is a where the risk comes from - from girls who don't screen. To be honest, with your one review, your TER history isn't going to get you into any of the reputable ladies here in Chicago. You'd have to either be a member of P411 with multiple OK's (if you are new, that's not likely) , or be prepared to hand over all of your personal information directly to the lady or through RS2K. Good luck and be careful.
Just do your research & find providers that are well reviewed...
Providers too will be cautious, make sure you can be verified too.....
Likely most of those busts are in worlds far different from what we know here. What can be charged as "prositution" has a wide range, most of which you may never come close to experiencing considering you're here now.
My opinion on the whole LE and arrest thing, has been that they catch the low hanging fruit. I am not saying this to say that I don't feel that screening, discretion and caution aren't absolutely necessary- especially because our very own Sheriff, Tom Dart, seems to have a hard on (haha) for providers. But, if you are patronizing a well reviewed, high end girl who screens, you should be just about fine.
I also, from watching MSNBC, gather that they mostly go after the young girls and the ones that appear to be trafficked. Also, the ones who advertise on low end ad malls (like bp).
I think if you go into this with such a fear about being arrested, that it may not be for you. You are going to end up paranoid and if you are already a nervous person, you may not be able to enjoy yourself.
This is just how I look at it, of course there is always that threat and we should all be cautious, but as long as you aren't trolling the streets or trying to pay a super low rate you should be alright.
Another thing I'd like to add. LE generally looks for cars. Because this is America, and by golly, everyone wants the freedom of the open road. In their very own space on the I-290 parking lot. So my M.O. is to take public transportation whenever I can. Chicago has plenty of it. With so many people on buses and trains, each going somewhere, not to mention all the pedestrians downtown, what you end up doing is hiding in plain sight. I've walked right past LE on foot patrol once, on the way to a provider's hotel, and barely even noticed them, save for a quick glance at their uniforms. I'd have a harder time relaxing when driving to a suburban hotel, where LE looks for cars to pull over (less crime = ticket-seeking behavior).
After all, cars are used to commit street solicitation. So it's not a big stretch of imagination for LE to seek out cars used to commit BP solicitation. Not to mention your car will get impounded if you get caught. (Although that won't be your main worry at that point.) But it'll be pretty funny to see LE try to impound a CTA train.