In recent history I've had GFE kind of "redefined" for me, so I'm curious as to what it means to others. Before I defined it exclusively in terms of sex(kissing, BBJ, etc) but I'm seeing it a bit differently now. Conversation, attitude, humor, making you genuinely forget it's a service...all that are a part of it to me now. How about the rest of you? When you see a provider labeled "GFE" what do you think/expect? Providers- what do you think is expected of you?

I think the enthusiasm and interest are where a lot fall down.

All kidding aside. She makes me forget it's a service and I can't wait to see her again. I know GFE is not the fake porn-star chatter, but there is something about a provider who matches your rhythm and "feels" like she's coming without telling you "how hard" she just came. I know it's not real, but over-the-top banter just reminds me that it's P4P. A good GFE provider make me forget I'm paying for it. A great GFE provider makes me not care.

GFE to me is of course few checks in the box.  BBBJ, FK, CFS etc.  But for me its also the lady acting like she wants to be with you.  To make you the center of her attention.  I love Julias scenario also.  I dont want a box of hammers yammering away at me.  Intelligence.  I brought a provider a rose today and she started telling me how she studied flowers and wants to be a Botanist and started talking about it.  She started to stop and I said "no, keep going Im interested"  And I was.  Wow, what a turn on.  To me a GFE is just like having a girlfriend at the stage where you guys are banging every chance you get hehe.  There has to be that connection even if she's faking it.  I do hope the connection becomes real for her at some point so you both get to experience a great time, but as long as I believe it, the lady has succeeded.  

You understand.

and unfortunately a lot of ladies don't get it.  It's the whole experience.  All of the things said above.  Unless the are purposely trying to get someone to not come back and visit.

I keep my GFE checklist on my iPhone And my laptop makes all the typos ... it's not me.

What makes a GREAT GFE? All of the things listed before plus something special. What that something special is, I can't say until it happens. She will surprise me with something personal or exotic. I love a lady with a great sense of eroticism and I love to be surprised that she can make me so excited with the little things. Just a regular GFE is check the boxes and lets get the job done.

I've actually been with ladies who didn't kiss and did everything covered that were chatty and friendly and more genuinely enjoyable than ladies that did DFK, BBJ, and all the other "GFE services". Now the BEST I've seen did check all those boxes...but as I've said she redefined the term for me...

That you think she is a girlfriend, or in other words acts like she was your girlfriend?  If you forget yourself and that it is a biz, you could almost swear she was into you. lol

Amen...    

I guess the only way you can understand why guys prefer bbj over cbj is to use a dam or female condom the next time you get daty. I won't see a provider who does cbj because it does not even come close to the feeling of bbj. I've asked "GFE" providers to "leave" when they tell me they don't kiss. I even have that fact in my 411 profile. A provider who advertises herself as "GFE", but then starts to list her rules i.e. No kissing, No bbj, No daty is not GFE in my opinion. She is just a provider who is trying to get paid via misrepresentation IMO

I dont like the check the boxes and get on with it, but I do like those boxes to be 'checked' so to speak.  Not everyone is a rocket scientist but come on, have some wits about you.

Happened to me once.  Check my reviews.  Was very disappointed.  Site says full GFE.  No FK no BBJ no DATY...........thats about all of it.  Like I said those things dont fully make a GFE but for someone advertising as such it was a big let-down.  Then OTOH met a great lady that didnt advertise as GFE and did all of those things and was a blast to be with........go figure.  I think its been said several times and Ill say it again, when you forget you're being serviced and you leave feeling like a dopey 17 year old I think the lady did her job very well.  

Ya know sometimes its hard to believe when providers say they want a connection and all of that then you go to the Gen. discussion and 90% of the provider answers to a question about back-to-back Johns say basically "Its all about money, business" etc.  Normally I say "yea ok" but Im pulled back to discussions like this and I actually get a bit puffed up and aggravated.  Like WTF?  Which is it?  Its that kind of discussion that makes men not want to treat providers with any sort of respect whatsoever.  What response should we have to a statement thats akin to "Yep its all about money and we forgot about you 5 mins after the door closed"  Not saying you have to have wild fantasies about us for days, but dang not even a lingering thought?  Then you wonder why some guys are cold dicks.  Look no further than Gen Discussion............

I see this lil lady now every chance I get, who just runs to hug me(and I mean tight) as soon as she sees me~~~ Some hugs and kissy kissy faces are so fake, but hers is the real deal and keeps me coming back to experience something real in, of all places, fantasy land--LOL

I understand your position and after so many no's i would be turned off too! But usually those things are specified before meeting..

Every provider is different. For some it is all about the money, and you can usually tell those providers from those of us who actually enjoy the craft. They usually are the girls guys post about waiting a whole 30 to an hour for, because she likely double booked and will be rushing both sessions out of the door. There's probably a less talk more action, "get comfortable" routine as well.  

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My experience in the Carolinas is that GFE includes BBJ, and kissing. There are girls who say they are GFE, but have a list of "don'ts", which is usually brought up after they have the envelope in their bag. Other girls say they are GFE, but want to charge (upsell) for extras such as kissing, etc. GFE (IMO) means the "extras" are included in the price. You are correct that there are many opinions about what GFE means, but most clients in the Carolinas think GFE includes bbj and kissing at a minimum. Girls who upsell or try to act unethically with clients are usually the main subject of client's "back channeling" on TER. Given the expense of the hobby, I appreciate being warned by other hobbyists and sometimes, by providers (without an agenda) about the bad providers out there as reviews only tell part of the story.

The brain is our biggest sex organ.  If the mind can't connect in some shape or form, then there will be no GFE.

I am an independent.
I love it.
When finding my "niche" I discovered GFE.
My first client told me, "You are absolutely perfect for GFE. That is what you should be. You will make a lot more money than the average backpage girl."
Which, indeed is true.
I had to figure out, what EXACTLY is GFE... So I could define it, learn it, and hopefully, someday, master it.
Yes, there are a certain amount of check marked boxes that are anticipated; MSOG, FS, CIM, BBBJ, LFK, DFK, no clock watching...
Sorry to the other provider that doth' protest the bbbj, but the overwhelming majority of men I have questioned, PRESUME GFE to include BBBJ- and that any provider not providing, is false-marketing. I figured that out in my research very quickly.  
False marketing is BAD.
Just like PSE are expected to provide Greek. It's just the way it is.

Yes I understand that of course.  Just venting a bit.  I just dont like those same ladies coming back wondering why some men are acting like jerkoffs?  I have met several ladies that seem to actually like what they do and like meeting people.  Plan on meeting some more

GFE, when used in an advertisement, conveys a reasonable expectation of  a certain set of minimal requirements. Meeting the minimum requirements is a good thing, but who wants, or wants to be thought of meeting, only the minimum requirements? That's where the art of the courtesan comes into play, including the art of making the planned and rehearsed come off as spontaneous  and the making the routine for one special for the other....an experience that a man can only wish was something experienced with a real-life girlfriend.  

Totally wish I could applaud by emoticon...

Thankyou... glad you liked my response well enough to *want* to comment with applause...
But....  
Seriously...  
Come on Mr Smarty Pants, don't tell me I knew something you didn't know?  
GIF's?
God, that makes me so giddy... LMAO

Have you r tried to downloaded and then upload a GIF on an Android? Pure-T nightmare....

To me, GFE is kind of complicated to describe. The Best way I can try to define it for me is spending time w/ a lovely woman who cares more about giving you their attention and affection rather than watching the clock and only caring about getting paid as if it were a full time job. Even though the reality is that you are paying to spend time with a girl who will pretend to be your GF or SO, she makes you forget that it's a service and takes you away from reality. That's one thing I look for in reviews. In regards to what goes down, I look for girls who are passionate lovers. A true GFE is more towards being a passionate lover than a girl who makes you feel like you're living out a porno fantasy. I'm okay with the dirty talk, but it just chips away from the passionate part. In regards to whether she provides CBJ or BBBJ, doesn't matter. Kissing is something I'm big on. It adds more to the experience for me. Locking lips with a beautiful woman as you make love to her is truly intoxicating and passionate. Outside of sex, I like women who are open-minded and can talk about anything. Humor is also a big plus. It helps break the ice for the first couple of minutes when getting acquainted with your provider. A good attitude is a must have. A girl who doesn't have a good attitude doesn't need to be providing. I have had my share of good providers and not so good providers. In the end, it's different for everybody. I don't necessarily look for everything I've mentioned when looking at providers, I use it as a measuring stick. In the end, A woman who is passionate when making love, and easy talk to after wards is gold in my book when referring to GFE.

To me this brings back memories of an awesome visit and a true GFE!! First of all the chemistry is very important!! I set up the visit with a long time friend to let himself in!! We so loved our visits!! We joked about the next visit and I agreed the next visit not to shave and to start bitching at him as soon as he walked in the door!!! Now THAT my friends is a REAL g/f experience!!!  Oh the fun times I have had they the years!!

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Is it weird that I like a more natural look?  A little un-shaven, no problem, a little bit of sag, sexy.  Real is so sexy to me.  Plastic and paint doesnt do it for me.  

Agreed, on your statement. "All kidding aside. She makes me forget it's a service and I can't wait to see her again. I know GFE is not the fake porn-star chatter, but there is something about a provider who matches your rhythm and "feels" like she's coming without telling you "how hard" she just came. I know it's not real, but over-the-top banter just reminds me that it's P4P. A good GFE provider make me forget I'm paying for it. A great GFE provider makes me not care.  

Extremely well said. Love, especially in this subculture, is a drug. I've actually walked Waveland and grew up on WGN (world's greatest network). The very best GFE providers don't just have you loving them, they have the incredibly rare, powerful, and potentially dangerous ability to make you believe they love you.  That is the drug. I