I'm not calling anyone out, or naming names so this post actually makes it to the boards.


But, I have about 20+ gents that I did not accept as clients because I could not verify who they were. It was not a question about not being able to find information on them, they gave me false names, or nicknames and would not give any real information.

The problem is, they gave references from well established providers and agencies in the area and thought that was enough. The story was always the same, "I was screened and verified using the same information I gave you from the other providers and agencies".

Here is the problem. The first provider or agency that screened them - didn't actually screen them. Took a chance, that meeting went well and started providing references for the client that is using false information.

The main problem is, providers are meeting a client that now has made it into the community with false information.

Here is a safe screening practice all should practice, because if a client were to get snipped, then flipped, everyone is in jeopardy. Run a check on his arrest record before meeting. If he was picked up recently as a john, it's probably not a good idea to see him.

If we are allowing clients to use false information and allowing them to pass screening based on reference checks alone - you cannot run checks on current clients since you do not know his real information.

Stop using reference checks as your only means to screen.

Be safe

Why don't you just ask for their SS# & Driver's License #, and then their home address & phone number.  Seriously, get real.  Oh, and your link doesn't work, and it doesn't appear you have been in business long looking at the few girls you have & the number of reviews posted, so why would I take a chance on you ?  

There is a better chance that you will flip if you get caught, and give up all the goods on your clients.  

So not thanks

9 years puppy.

Every client that has seen any provider - Mikala, Arielle, Brandi Moore, Angelina, Krystin, Mallory, Rachel,  Etc while working for us has given us enough information to verify true identity and then provided government issued ID before the appointment, or they left.

I spent a good deal of funds on secured overseas databases to ensure no one will ever be able to get ahold of our clients information. So get real.


The link doesn't work because I've recently closed the agency and have delisted most of the providers from the agency - and now for fun, I'm talking about all the crap I wouldn't of talked about while in business.

Screening is very important, and I always require something more than just other provider references... because as you put it... everyone I'm talking with could have been 'snipped and flipped'... if a gentleman wants to see me enough he we take part in my screening before our first date, and if not, there is another lovely lady out there for him to see.

It all comes down to wanting to date for many years to come, and I am taking no risks with my safety. If a man is RESPECTFUL and COURTEOUS and understanding PROTOCOL for the UPSCALE HOBBYIST when it comes to screening etiquette, then the date is relaxed and fun from the beginning.

I've lost many potential friends who did not want to screen, but if they don't want to go through screening with me they aren't the kind of man I want to see not only once, but longterm.... since friends who are 'snipped and then flip' are the number one way careful, established and respected companions get snipped...I want to know my friends well enough and trust them enough that 'flipping' on me would never happen.  I've come to learn from stories I've heard... a companion reference is not enough. Just my thoughts...

Then only use services that go to great lengths to protect you and themselves.


A good question I was asked over and over is, how do you protect my information.

Every client was pleased to hear my response.

Re: I admire your testicles, ncelites

Thank you

Don't do things that could destroy your life. Funny thing is, these types of clients are far few and inbetween for a provider to increase her risk of going to jail, public humiliation, or death.


Again, don't takes risks your not willing to suffer the consequences for.

Nothing on ANY database, WHICH SHOULD SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF ANYONE USING YOUR SERVICES, is safe.  

NOTHING.

So you GET REAL !

I'll put my laptop in front of you and give you the url, username, and password to my database. If you can actually log in, I'll hand you 10k.

Deal?

Sorry. Yes I would. I am a client with a few agencies in a few states.

Correct about the site. They provide an amazing service. No need to spend 1-2k on a site with them around.


Regarding the client database, completely different. Not a service. Developed by a friend and hosted by a secure ded box.


Password doesn't change.

It is in the interests of all providers and bona fide hobbyists to stay  safe.  Rigorous screening by a provider makes ME feel a LOT safer about meeting her for the first time.  I *want* to see this before making a first date.  But I am also sensitive to my privacy, so my approach is that I will provide whatever reasonable information the lady needs to feel safe -- but only over the phone.  Not by email and definitely not in the little boxes that ask you to give your life history.  Amazing too, talking to a real person over the phone can actually give you a good sense that she is really someone you want to meet, and give her reassurance that you are safe and sane.  Email has its uses, but it is not always the best medium of communication.

Thanks to ncelites for a good and provocative post!

Sorry, but I've seen your posts on here, and even without "naming names", it's disgusting that you're STILL trying to imply such things about agencies much more reputable than your own. You may have been "smart" enough to avoid naming a specific agency in this post, but those of us who saw the others know exactly who you're trying to throw under the bus, and the fact of the matter is that you're just trying to spread lies in order to make up for your own shortcomings.

Work on your business so it will stand on it's own, rather than trying to slander others on a fuck board in a ridiculous attempt to scare up clients.

Yup. "Nine years in the business", but this is what his "agency" looks like.

Super duper safe and reputable, y'all.

Posted By: shouldaknownbetter

Why don't you just ask for their SS# & Driver's License #, and then their home address & phone number.  Seriously, get real.  Oh, and your link doesn't work, and it doesn't appear you have been in business long looking at the few girls you have & the number of reviews posted, so why would I take a chance on you ?  

There is a better chance that you will flip if you get caught, and give up all the goods on your clients.  

So not thanks

Re: I admire your testicles, ncelites

Wasn't NCelites busted back in like May/June?

Re: I admire your testicles, ncelites

Anyone wanna guess why?

There is a website that has spreadsheet compilations of all of the state prostitution arrests between 1991 and 2011. I had a quick look at the Raleigh data. There is a lot of variation from year to year. Some years fewer than 30, others well over a hundred. It's been high in recent years: 115 in 2007, 64 in 2008, 184 in 2009, 229 in 2010, 97 in 2011. Most of the arrests are for streetwalkers and their clients. More providers are arrested than clients. The trend is toward arresting more clients. It was about  about 6 to 1 in 2010 and 4 to 1 in 2011. In 2011, there were 22 arrests in hotels/residences. 12 providers and ten clients. All of the clients were arrested in a single sting on 2/26/11. All of the provider arrests were in the first 6 months of the year (wonder why?).

Underage prostitute arrests are uncommon: 12 in the last 20 years and none under 16 (It could be that under 16 arrests happen, but are handled in the juvenile justice system and don't show up here.). Two of those arrests were in apartments or homes, 1 in a motel, and the rest on the street.

In the forum I am reading concern about clients and providers being snipped and flipped. I understand this is done a lot with drug arrests. Are local departments doing that for prostitution? If they do, are those arrests kept off the record and/or expunged in exchange for cooperation (meaning they would not show up in these records.)?

Some of you know a lot more about the LE landscape locally. Is there really much of a risk of running across an established provider, agency or client with references who has been flipped? It seems that LE can generate as many arrests as they care to without going to that much trouble.

Re: I admire your testicles, ncelites

Um. No.

I think things stood up find on their own - everyone defines success by a dollar amount, and everyone involved made out Nothing was meant for clients - more for providers. The clients complaining are probably some that have issues giving real info - notice a few have posted they would rather be screened then not? Hmm....

If anyone would like emails from clients admitting to giving false info for screening purposes with other agencies - I'll be glad to show them - minus identifying who they are - unlike others have done to myself, I will not give a real name to anyone.

You see - hobbyist that think you know anything other then booking with a provider is one of the exact reason I shut things down - they annoy the hell out of me.


If your going to call someone out - do it like a man.

Now that was a fantastic post. Thanks. Do you know how to tell where the various stings took place from that data?

Thanks. Yes, follow the link. The files have the address of every bust. The February 2011 sting was at 2601 APPLIANCE CT, which would be the Homestead Studio Suites. There was one August 2010 at 3800 BRENTWOOD RD, which would be the Brentwood East Apartments. But, I wouldn't count on it to predict the next location.

Cool. thanks again. Have you looked at the data enough to make any predictions draw any conclusions you haven't mentioned yet?

It seems to me law enforcement has been active in the state the past couple months...Found out here on ter.. there is a few links...Greenville and Cary...I am a new agency here in nc and I really hope this does not effect business for me...le is crazy and you have to be careful in Atlanta...Hoping not to step in a shaky situation here in nc...

Yes, since you asked. This may be pretty obvious, but the stings look like one day operations. So, providers that have been advertising for several days may pose less of a risk. Also, I sometimes see ads that claim to be exposing a provider as being part of a sting. I don't see patterns of arrests that support those ads. So, maybe they really are efforts to hurt the providers business as some have said (I don't think I'll test that idea, though).

HUSH HUSH agency in Charlotte a few years back was followed by LE for 10 years before they moved on it!
That is one reason they call it "The Long Arm of the Law!"

Good point. You might think you are getting away with it until the hammer drops.

I like some of the comments you made here an I thank you for your post... Providers should check all info thats needed to keep themselves and also to be a 'sisterly'  provider.. We would never want anyone to get hurt or anything so its the utmost importance,is our safety..

Now I dont know anything about your agency or LE or anything here!! I have NO COMMENT as far as that goes.. I just think that you said alot of points, being from a peanut gallery or not, you are a part of the community....  Thanks I dunno why everyone is shitting  on you but you did just say words of wisdom.. So for one I appreciate it (BTW I do thorough checks of EVERYONE I invite in my door also)...


So anyways ya'll stop fighting, this is a SEX forum dam it!!!!!

winkwink

LB