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Incall/Outcall [Deal-breaker?]
FoxyNC See my TER Reviews 705 reads
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Just wondering what any fellow's/ladies thoughts were on the subject:

I am local to a smaller town- I am far from getting alot of volume.
I do however get a lot of calls/inquiries.

A lot of issue seems to be made over incall/outcall....

Men, is a lady not having an incall location a deal breaker for you?
Is it the convenience? Is the "staying under the radar" issue?
Is it the ($40-80) spared by not having to pay out for a decent room?
(Yes, they can be gotten that cheaply in my area.)

I am in a smaller area, the economy seems to be different/slower here; therefor I scaled my fee; I charge $150/hr- I have been told by a couple of  fellow's that if I would go to Raleigh I could easily charge $250/$350/hr. (I think I am a very quality girl, sorry I don't have very professional pics done yet.)

I would never want to appear to be a whiner, so I am asking directly, I am tired of the incall issue. It's starting to feel to me like most callers are THAT worried over the price of a room, and fail to book an appointment.
Is my perception wrong?

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clarence37364 reads

Are you asking why you aren't getting as many dates as you would like?
Or are you just venting and looking for validation that guys are too cheap to pay
for a room?

I couldn't answer either question, but I could offer a few insights, you can decide if they have any value:

1) Yes, you do need some professional photos
2) There are legitimate reasons why men don't want to rent that hotel room, not the least of which
is handing over their credit card and putting their real information out int he open.
3) With your low rate, if a guy just doesn't want to plop doe=wn an additional $50 for a room - you don't want him as a client anyway. He's doing you a favor by not booking.
4) Why don't you just get a room and just factor it into the price?
5) You didn't ask for advice about your website, but as long as I am rolling... IMO your 'about me' is too real and too much info. We want to fantasize about you, and then meet you and make the fantasy come true. We don't want to hear aout your family. Just my 2 cents worth...

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FoxyNC451 reads

I am getting dates... It's just the calls, I guess that were the concern-
Wondering why it felt like I was being steered towards, "You should have an incall."

Thankyou for your points, they have a lot of value- (to me!)  
They explain the other side a bit better.
Of course, I am concerned in making it more comfortable &  as convenient  for potential clients, as that is the name of the game, in spirit, if not physical deed.

The questions I had, were marked with question marks on the end.... (or so I thought?)
I was just aiming for some insight, so I could make a decision. I was kind of on the fence about the incall thing.

The info about me actually having a family, I suppose came after so many trying to book last minute (with my life & family) makes last minute (unless it's during school hours and I just happen to be ready)  last minute is next to impossible for me.
I had actually used a bit of it (although it is funny to say now) from a formerly very well respected (or so I thought?) providers ad on another site that I thought looked & sounded professional. I reckon your opinion is different. :)

Posted By: clarence37
Are you asking why you aren't getting as many dates as you would like?  
 Or are you just venting and looking for validation that guys are too cheap to pay  
 for a room?  
   
 I couldn't answer either question, but I could offer a few insights, you can decide if they have any value:  
   
 1) Yes, you do need some professional photos  
 2) There are legitimate reasons why men don't want to rent that hotel room, not the least of which  
 is handing over their credit card and putting their real information out int he open.  
 3) With your low rate, if a guy just doesn't want to plop doe=wn an additional $50 for a room - you don't want him as a client anyway. He's doing you a favor by not booking.  
 4) Why don't you just get a room and just factor it into the price?  
 5) You didn't ask for advice about your website, but as long as I am rolling... IMO your 'about me' is too real and too much info. We want to fantasize about you, and then meet you and make the fantasy come true. We don't want to hear aout your family. Just my 2 cents worth...

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clarence37321 reads

makes it sound like I believe I speak for everbody, which of course I don't. And just FYI, if anything I said sounded like criticism... it wasn't :D

I do think I am right when I say that you will never hear the end of guys saying "you SHOULD do this and you SHOULD do that". Many of us seem to think that we would make much better providers than.. well, providers :-) What you really SHOULD do (!) is talk to as many other providers as you can, study the other women in your area, and find a model that makes money and makes you comfortable.  

Oh, and come to Lynchburg, VA   :D

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designer817487 reads

Hi Foxy,

I think Clarence makes some excellent points. In my experience if I am playing locally I prefer incall but if I am traveling on business I prefer outcall. It relates to not having the hotel charge showing up on my personal card.

If I were you I'd just increase your donation to offset the hotel charge. You are a very pretty girl I don't think an extra $50 would turn a potential client away.

As for your photos you probably would be surprised by what you can do with just a regular digital camera, learn to use the timer, put on something sexy and experiment.  Look at the pics of other providers and try to  recreate the same look.  There are also some great phone photo apps that allow you to put very cool filters and effects on a regular photo thus elevating it to a professional look.

Good Luck!

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FoxyNC362 reads

Thanks for the kind words. I am taking your advise into consideration as well. I appreciate the feedback. :)

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2labman343 reads

I want to leave as few footprints as possible, and renting a hotel room is outside my comfort zone, esp. when I will only be there two hours.  It also adds time required, with getting the room, getting you into the room and settled, then getting out of the room.  Since I play using vacation time from work hours, that's another downside.  I prefer to have the lady already waiting there, so I can just walk in and start the two hours of fun.

Also agree that increasing the donation to cover the cost of the room is not an issue.  At $150, you have lots of room there, it almost makes you look too cheap.  Make it an incall that is clean and in a good neighborhood, however.  Guys want to feel safe before they even knock on your door, so start out well and it will keep them relaxed.

Your web site is good and you're a pretty lady, but the gallery doesn't give much idea about your figure.  That's important to us superficial fools that might want to visit.  I've been to some providers that use old pics or pics that don't accurately reflect a girl's figure, and second trips to ladies who are significantly heavier than originally thought don't usually happen for me.  I don't demand skinny, but want to get what I see.  I would think that you would want some regulars, and having good pics might help you generate enough traffic that you could groom potential regulars from the guys you like.  
My regular doesn't advertise at all anymore, her dance card is filled.  She limits her clients to one per day, four days a week but usually multi-hour appointments.  That meets her financial needs, as she's not looking to stay in the business more than a few years until her RL job gets better.  I'm lucky enough to be in her club.  

Good luck with the marketing and stay safe.  Don't take a risk with screening to increase volume.

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FoxyNC377 reads

Thankyou for your reply also.
Sometimes I suppose, I let the few who question my $150/hr attack my confidence...?
I do not think $150/$200/hr is unreasonable. I suppose I am hearing the whining of clients used to BP girls/prices lol

Thanks for the perspective.

I think I will def have to consider a location.

Posted By: 2labman
I want to leave as few footprints as possible, and renting a hotel room is outside my comfort zone, esp. when I will only be there two hours.  It also adds time required, with getting the room, getting you into the room and settled, then getting out of the room.  Since I play using vacation time from work hours, that's another downside.  I prefer to have the lady already waiting there, so I can just walk in and start the two hours of fun.  
   
 Also agree that increasing the donation to cover the cost of the room is not an issue.  At $150, you have lots of room there, it almost makes you look too cheap.  Make it an incall that is clean and in a good neighborhood, however.  Guys want to feel safe before they even knock on your door, so start out well and it will keep them relaxed.  
   
 Your web site is good and you're a pretty lady, but the gallery doesn't give much idea about your figure.  That's important to us superficial fools that might want to visit.  I've been to some providers that use old pics or pics that don't accurately reflect a girl's figure, and second trips to ladies who are significantly heavier than originally thought don't usually happen for me.  I don't demand skinny, but want to get what I see.  I would think that you would want some regulars, and having good pics might help you generate enough traffic that you could groom potential regulars from the guys you like.    
 My regular doesn't advertise at all anymore, her dance card is filled.  She limits her clients to one per day, four days a week but usually multi-hour appointments.  That meets her financial needs, as she's not looking to stay in the business more than a few years until her RL job gets better.  I'm lucky enough to be in her club.  
   
 Good luck with the marketing and stay safe.  Don't take a risk with screening to increase volume.

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2labman323 reads

Warning:  My opinion only, YMMV

I'm not going to begin to tell you how to price your services, but anyone whining about $200 for FS from an experienced, attractive, established and well-reviewed lady is not someone you want for a client.  I've been burned on BP with bait and switches, no shows, crack whores (I will use that word here) and often felt far from safe.  BP girls are a very mixed lot.  You may find a gem now and again, but you'll have to work through a lot of dirt and mud to find her.

It's worth it to me to check TER reviews and move up a notch from there.  I'm too old to put up with her being 30 minutes late for the appointment, then saying "You'd better hurry, I've got a 2:30 coming soon."  

I refuse to apologize for being an optimist and expecting professionalism, punctuality, good hygiene, some personal interaction with the woman I'm with.  I don't want to be #17 in today's semen donation line.  If I just needed a warm hole, I'd buy a sheep.  If you're offering a better service than the average BP girl, your price can reflect that.

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FoxyNC282 reads

You know.... you took the words out of my mouth with the first line....
I read somewhere once, that this is a hobby for men who can afford it. Like a fine wine,
one would not expect it to be CHEAP.  

I was trained in other jobs for customer service & technical troubleshooting. I do my absolute best to cater to my clients, even above the point of "minimum expectancy." I try to keep em happy ;)

I am very grateful for what I have in life; I'm in a position that hobbying gives me a cushion-
I will have a roof over my head with or without this. I don't see a lot of guys also given my living in Bumfuct, but I have a few good ones. :) Our time almost always goes way, way over, as I am not in a rush. I try to book while my kiddie is in school. Otherwise, maybe once or twice a week (on a good week lol) I have an appointment.

Considering who & how I am, minus the drama, touch of girl-net-door-turned-milf, punctually fresh & moist,& ready to play... haha, seriously...  
Thanks, maybe I needed a reminder of how many "Providers Gone Wrong/Wild" threads I have read....
;) Maybe I should raise mine to $200.... That would relieve the incall issue difference.

Foxy

Posted By: 2labman
Warning:  My opinion only, YMMV  
   
 I'm not going to begin to tell you how to price your services, but anyone whining about $200 for FS from an experienced, attractive, established and well-reviewed lady is not someone you want for a client.  I've been burned on BP with bait and switches, no shows, crack whores (I will use that word here) and often felt far from safe.  BP girls are a very mixed lot.  You may find a gem now and again, but you'll have to work through a lot of dirt and mud to find her.  
   
 It's worth it to me to check TER reviews and move up a notch from there.  I'm too old to put up with her being 30 minutes late for the appointment, then saying "You'd better hurry, I've got a 2:30 coming soon."  
   
 I refuse to apologize for being an optimist and expecting professionalism, punctuality, good hygiene, some personal interaction with the woman I'm with.  I don't want to be #17 in today's semen donation line.  If I just needed a warm hole, I'd buy a sheep.  If you're offering a better service than the average BP girl, your price can reflect that.

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msomethingnc239 reads

I know this is a few days behind, but I'll add in my opinion in hopes it helps.  The lack of incall is definitely a deal breaker for me for reasons similar to those mentions by other gents already - the explanation to other half.  If you need to increase the rate for quality to cover the expense, I think respectable people understand that, and if they don't, you certainly can find better, more reasonable people to spend quality time with.  I know for a fact you were on my radar for your rate but the lack of incall kept me from calling.  If that changes, please send me a PM so we can meet! You seem like a very nice individual that I would like to meet sometime.  

As for comments about things like hobby being for men who can afford it, I can certainly appreciate the sentiment and attitude afforded with that.  However, remember there are all walks of life on this earth and even the best of us experience the same troubled economies that the rest of country does.  I'm certainly not advocating anyone being a charity case, please don't misunderstand me, but I AM saying that I know I personally appreciate a provider who keeps her rates affordable as I'm not someone who makes a six figure income, even with both incomes combined.  For what it's worth, thanks for opening the dialogue though! Hope to meet you some day.

~M

Posted By: FoxyNC
You know.... you took the words out of my mouth with the first line....  
 I read somewhere once, that this is a hobby for men who can afford it. Like a fine wine,  
 one would not expect it to be CHEAP.  
   
 I was trained in other jobs for customer service & technical troubleshooting. I do my absolute best to cater to my clients, even above the point of "minimum expectancy." I try to keep em happy ;)  
   
 I am very grateful for what I have in life; I'm in a position that hobbying gives me a cushion-  
 I will have a roof over my head with or without this. I don't see a lot of guys also given my living in Bumfuct, but I have a few good ones. :) Our time almost always goes way, way over, as I am not in a rush. I try to book while my kiddie is in school. Otherwise, maybe once or twice a week (on a good week lol) I have an appointment.  
   
 Considering who & how I am, minus the drama, touch of girl-net-door-turned-milf, punctually fresh & moist,& ready to play... haha, seriously...  
 Thanks, maybe I needed a reminder of how many "Providers Gone Wrong/Wild" threads I have read....  
 ;) Maybe I should raise mine to $200.... That would relieve the incall issue difference.  
   
 Foxy  
   
Posted By: 2labman
Warning:  My opinion only, YMMV  
     
  I'm not going to begin to tell you how to price your services, but anyone whining about $200 for FS from an experienced, attractive, established and well-reviewed lady is not someone you want for a client.  I've been burned on BP with bait and switches, no shows, crack whores (I will use that word here) and often felt far from safe.  BP girls are a very mixed lot.  You may find a gem now and again, but you'll have to work through a lot of dirt and mud to find her.  
     
  It's worth it to me to check TER reviews and move up a notch from there.  I'm too old to put up with her being 30 minutes late for the appointment, then saying "You'd better hurry, I've got a 2:30 coming soon."    
     
  I refuse to apologize for being an optimist and expecting professionalism, punctuality, good hygiene, some personal interaction with the woman I'm with.  I don't want to be #17 in today's semen donation line.  If I just needed a warm hole, I'd buy a sheep.  If you're offering a better service than the average BP girl, your price can reflect that.

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FoxyNC302 reads

Thankyou for your feedback.

I am kind of shocked by how much feedback (in a good way!) I have gotten.
I am in a position now (a bit of cushion-) to be able to offer it- I just didn't realize it WAS such a deal breaker.  

And yes, I am fully aware most people don't have "hobby money" to blow- which is why, along with still having civvie respect for a dollar- that I didn't try and jump into the $350/hour range as a noob-  
It seemed like poor marketing, demanding, and an all out good way to cut my own throat (I mean business) from jump street.

I edited my page/rates. So we will see.

I will post a link below & see who offers an opinion!

Posted By: msomethingnc
I know this is a few days behind, but I'll add in my opinion in hopes it helps.  The lack of incall is definitely a deal breaker for me for reasons similar to those mentions by other gents already - the explanation to other half.  If you need to increase the rate for quality to cover the expense, I think respectable people understand that, and if they don't, you certainly can find better, more reasonable people to spend quality time with.  I know for a fact you were on my radar for your rate but the lack of incall kept me from calling.  If that changes, please send me a PM so we can meet! You seem like a very nice individual that I would like to meet sometime.    
   
 As for comments about things like hobby being for men who can afford it, I can certainly appreciate the sentiment and attitude afforded with that.  However, remember there are all walks of life on this earth and even the best of us experience the same troubled economies that the rest of country does.  I'm certainly not advocating anyone being a charity case, please don't misunderstand me, but I AM saying that I know I personally appreciate a provider who keeps her rates affordable as I'm not someone who makes a six figure income, even with both incomes combined.  For what it's worth, thanks for opening the dialogue though! Hope to meet you some day.  
   
 ~M  
   
Posted By: FoxyNC
You know.... you took the words out of my mouth with the first line....  
  I read somewhere once, that this is a hobby for men who can afford it. Like a fine wine,  
  one would not expect it to be CHEAP.    
     
  I was trained in other jobs for customer service & technical troubleshooting. I do my absolute best to cater to my clients, even above the point of "minimum expectancy." I try to keep em happy ;)  
     
  I am very grateful for what I have in life; I'm in a position that hobbying gives me a cushion-  
  I will have a roof over my head with or without this. I don't see a lot of guys also given my living in Bumfuct, but I have a few good ones. :) Our time almost always goes way, way over, as I am not in a rush. I try to book while my kiddie is in school. Otherwise, maybe once or twice a week (on a good week lol) I have an appointment.  
     
  Considering who & how I am, minus the drama, touch of girl-net-door-turned-milf, punctually fresh & moist,& ready to play... haha, seriously...    
  Thanks, maybe I needed a reminder of how many "Providers Gone Wrong/Wild" threads I have read....  
  ;) Maybe I should raise mine to $200.... That would relieve the incall issue difference.  
     
  Foxy  
     
Posted By: 2labman
Warning:  My opinion only, YMMV    
       
   I'm not going to begin to tell you how to price your services, but anyone whining about $200 for FS from an experienced, attractive, established and well-reviewed lady is not someone you want for a client.  I've been burned on BP with bait and switches, no shows, crack whores (I will use that word here) and often felt far from safe.  BP girls are a very mixed lot.  You may find a gem now and again, but you'll have to work through a lot of dirt and mud to find her.    
       
   It's worth it to me to check TER reviews and move up a notch from there.  I'm too old to put up with her being 30 minutes late for the appointment, then saying "You'd better hurry, I've got a 2:30 coming soon."    
       
   I refuse to apologize for being an optimist and expecting professionalism, punctuality, good hygiene, some personal interaction with the woman I'm with.  I don't want to be #17 in today's semen donation line.  If I just needed a warm hole, I'd buy a sheep.  If you're offering a better service than the average BP girl, your price can reflect that.
Related Link: http://foxync.gfefiles.com/rates

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MatureGFE336 reads

You don't live in an area that gets a lot of travelling businessmen and you can't/won't entertain at your place (me either). For a lot of the local guys in the Raleigh area, this is a deal breaker as well.

What I do is offer limited incall and until I changed my rate structure  just a tad, (and stayed Stephanie, lol) I only did incall with a minimum booking of 1.5 hours and that was to recoup some of the $$ for the hotel.  Now my incall when I'm here in the Triangle area is 2 hrs. Do some take a pass, yes.

My free advice is to have a minimum time booked that is more than your hourly rate. That way, even if they are paying more they are getting more time.

Hope this makes sense! ;-)

xoxo,

Steph

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FoxyNC323 reads

Steph,
Thanks for your candor. It is very much appreciated.
I do understand what you are explaining.  
More time for a higher minimum.
I do see how some will pass, I also know that a lot of serious hobbiest enjoy more time for parlaying.
The ones who are wham-bam are not my type either...
That would be a good way to kill two birds with one stone.  
Since I don't do "quick visits" *snicker* ;)

xoxo Foxy

Posted By: MatureGFE
You don't live in an area that gets a lot of travelling businessmen and you can't/won't entertain at your place (me either). For a lot of the local guys in the Raleigh either this is a deal breaker as well.

What I do is offer limited incall and until I changed my rate structure  just a tad, (and stayed Stephanie, lol) I only did incall with a minimum booking of 1.5 hours and that was to recoup some of the $$ for the hotel.  Now my incall when I'm here in the Triangle area is 2 hrs. Do some take a pass, yes.

My free advice is to have a minimum time booked that is more than your hourly rate. That way, even if they are paying more they are getting more time.

Hope this makes sense! ;-)

xoxo,

Steph

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MatureGFE306 reads

If not shoot me an email!

[email protected]

Steph ;-)

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soobvious346 reads

a decent hotel is at least 100 and what if one of them flakes on you? tell them you offer incall for 100 more but if you don't get it upfront, they can still fuck you by not showing up. you would be better tourng a few tmes a month and having a hotel ready than trying to do it per guy at that rate. sorry but thats nothing. blow and go girls can make that.

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FoxyNC399 reads

Due to my family obligations, touring is not really an option.  
That is why I was debating an incall.
Thx for the input :)

Posted By: soobvious
a decent hotel is at least 100 and what if one of them flakes on you? tell them you offer incall for 100 more but if you don't get it upfront, they can still fuck you by not showing up. you would be better tourng a few tmes a month and having a hotel ready than trying to do it per guy at that rate. sorry but thats nothing. blow and go girls can make that.

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rocky17582307 reads

Since you asked...

A provider not having an incall location is a deal breaker for me. I'm not on the road staying in hotels, and I'm not in a position to put hotel rooms on my credit card because I don't want to have to explain the charges to my wife. It's not the price of the room that concerns me, since I'd be paying for it one way or the other.

There are enough girls who do have an incall location so that it's not worth it to me to take on the extra uncertainty and aggravation of trying to make more complicated arrangements.

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