providers who state that they are GFE and say on their profiles that they kiss with tongue but when you meet they either turn their face away or give the old closed mouth kiss. Some will even say that they don't have to DFK to be GFE. That's bullshit - it's my money and I'll decide what is GFE and what is not. DFK is the most basic aspect of a GFE experience.

DFK may not be the single most important aspect of a session but it certainly important enough to keep me from repeating.

That being said I'm wondering what providers you've met who are at the opposite end of the spectrum? Who initiates deep tongue kissing and continues it throughout the session? Who seems to enjoy DFK as much or more than you? Who is particularly good at it?

A couple of locals that I have found are Jodette LeBeau and Vivienne. Another was Honey of VGF when they were around and Aspen formally of Belladonna.

I know this subject comes up occassionally but frankly I'm surprised it doesn't come up more often. I'd like to hear what the ladies think as well!

Great topic, as I like DFK and it is a MUST with me.  I have many favorites who are wonderful with DFK...Erin in Worcester, Deanna Santana up north, RSG has Angelica, Summer, Penny/Gwen and Lana (when around)  Also, Gracie at Royal touch is lovely.
Thanks for posting!

Read the reviews.  
Each reviewer will usually say straight out whether they got DFK or LFK.  

If its an important part of your session with a provider then you should be clear up front when booking that DFK is important.

You'll probably have some providers respond who will explain that poor hygiene, bad teeth and breath can be a deal breaker for them and that's their right.

I wouldn't want to arrive at a session with a provider I have never seen before and when she smiles there are only six teeth and has breath that smells like and ash tray.  I wouldn't kiss her so don't expect a beautiful woman with perfect teeth and smile to let you start probing her mouth and throat with your tongue if you have poor dental hygiene .





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I agree completely. Rather insulting. They'll suck your cock (uncovered) but will not kiss.....not logical....

This is a tough subject.
Kissing is an art and truthfufully a lot of men have no idea how to kiss. I love DFK if the gentleman knows how to kiss but with someone who doesn't quite frankly it can be gross. ( guys who kiss with lizzard tounge, drool or have bad breath)YUCK! I don't know why it is but the guys who want DFK the most are the ones who kiss the worse.

I am in no way saying this applies to you, but I think that is why most girls don't like it.

Just my .02

Jill

They just might ... BUT..... if it looks as though it has been dragged through something (someone?) and smells like Rye beach at low tide in mid-August they just might not - or - they might wrap in 10 layers of saran wrap AND wear nose clips.

Pretty damn difficult to put a condom on a guy's tongue. Hmm, perhaps they could fit him with a female condom and then kiss him!

Crimsonlass, even though I have not reviewed her, is a truly fantastic kisser.

Another lady of note in that department is Karyn. (I reviewed her about a year ago.) I saw her for kissing lessons. She could make the Pope whimper.

I think sexy1jill has a great point in that many men don't know how to kiss. There are actually some really good books on this subject, but outside of that, an A-1 provider can seamlessly turn you into a good kisser! Of course, what constitutes a "good kisser" for every woman is a bit different.

One example of this is dddbabe from NYC. The girl turned me into a great kisser just by knowing how to lead so I would follow; and then follow my return lead. It's like good ballroom dancing where a synergy is created making a whole greater than the sum of its parts.

ImagineUs also has an important point about oral hygiene. Sometimes a woman who usually DFKs won't because of some hygiene issue -- so it is important to make sure your own is exemplary.

I know that this can be a potentially awkward situation for many and I have seen some great posts here. I really am glad to see this here, as a GFE kissing is very important. Poor hygiene, overly aggressive tongue thrusting, too much saliva and lack of communication can make for a really uncomfortable situation for both parties.
Read as much as you can on the topic of kissing and ask for lessons if you want to be a champ at it. Practice makes perfect and anyone can do it if they want to.
I think communication is very important in all aspects of relations. I always enjoy taking my time and getting to know some one through diner, discussion about likes and dislikes and general interests. Effective communication and not rushing can really make a difference. This is a luxury so take your time and savor the experience.
Affectionately yours,
Savanah

some people think mouthwash is a substitute for good oral hygeine. If you are a coffee drinker or smoker you probably have bad breath. A good mouthwash won't even mask it. It's like perfume on a smelly puss. I smoke cigars and drink a ton of coffee- If I expect to kiss anyone, I go 2 days with no coffe and no cigars. Combined with heavy brushing of the tongue, gums, and teeth- mouthwash, chewing gum etc. I take the kissing thing pretty seriously too. I might be wrong but I think most girls would rather have a clean cock in their mouth than a strangers tongue.

I've had discussions on this subject- when GFE staples becomes YMMV pending the condition of the client on several occasions with girlfriends.

Good oral hygiene and health aren't simply a matter of rinsing with mouthwash and chewing a piece of gum prior to meeting a provider.

In the instances that I have refused kissing it wasn't because someone tasted like their lunch, or even a cigar or cigarette.

It was because there is a very distinct taste/smell when someone has poor oral hygiene, a gum or dental infection or some other systemic issue.  Just as I wouldn't proceed in my usual manner with a suspect member I won't intentionally kiss someone that has the smell of bacteria eminiating from their nose or mouth.

If someone has Halitosis and doesn't realize it, they may find that providers are unwilling to kiss them despite touting themselves as GFE and appearing "YMMV" by refusing to do so in session.  Being a GFE doesn't mean kissing someone who has a bacterial infection in their mouth that they're unaware of or ignoring.

I don't mean to insinuate that the original poster has an  issue but I would say as a piece of general advice that if any client finds that providers who are routinely reviewed as providing DFK refuse them regularly that they consider their oral hygiene.  Mouthwash doesn't mask poor health and I've encountered more clients than I care to admit who were seemingly unaware that they had a problem.  

Personally, I very much enjoy kissing with nearly everyone; unless someone is behaving outrageously or getting saliva all over my face like an animal I don't really critique the kissing technique of clients.  If there is something that I want and a client is concerned with my need or enjoyment I ask or guide them to my pleasure.  For the most part though I'm fully capable of enjoying various movements and techniques of each person as an individual and don't need clients to approach DFK in a specific way for it to be good.

As providers we've all met the guy that didn't brush and came to see us after eating an Italian Sub with the works.  Even at our suggestion some guys won't take the hint to at least use some mouthwash.

Then there are the smokers, and worse than that are the gents who do not visit the dentist on a regular basis.  I have my teeth professionally cleaned a minimum of 3 times per year (yes, that is why I have a beautiful smile)and I expect good oral hygiene practiced by my dates.

Once in a great while someone will have a health condition such as diabetes that causes their breath to smell bad.

Sometimes we can be reluctant to tell the truth because we don't want to hurt a gentleman's feelings.

I'm not saying you fall into these categories.

As Jill pointed out the lizard tongue and licking or slopping wet kisses cause some ladies to turn the other cheek.

If these ladies are advertising as GFE and you don't have a cold sore or one of the above issues you should review them appropriately.  But before you do just be sure you have not done something to cause them to react in such a way.

Best wishes,

Kate

To hell with the breath, is that you CJ?

I totally agree that DFK is essential when a provider advertises as GFE.  Two favorite DFK providers that I've seen were Anna Annis and Flora Faun.  I know they both enjoyed it as much as I did.

I only pass on kissing if a person has a very unhealthy mouth, I will also say no to daty if someone has an unhealthy mouth!

I can put up with garlic breath masked by gum. I can not overlook severe gum disease with long term neglect, which easily harbors infection and bacteria!
Luckily I have only encountered this once. Most gents have the fore thought of good brushing.

Yes I would rather suck a nice sparkling clean cock then allow a bacteria laden tongue to probe any orifice!

Ciao!
Love, Penny XXXOOO

While I totally agree that good dental hygiene and a clean mouth should precede any DFK, there are extenuating circumstances:

The number of times I have fed my lady friend or been fed various items such as: fruit, ice cream, cannolis, tiramisu, etc and then kissed the hell out of each other far exceeds the times we have kissed with clean mouths.

Anybody care to share their experiences in this regard?

I don't mean to sound argumentative here but I find it kind of funny that many of the responses kind of assume the issue is mine. I'm new to posting but not to the hobby. I understand exactly what all of you said and agree with most of it. I've given you the names of well known providers who are oustanding in this regard and I could if I were inclined to cause trouble give the names of some well known local providers whose profiles are at least slightly misleading in this regard. If someone has health or hygeine issues of course the interferes with performance as it certainly should.

Once again I was looking to give kudos to those who do not embellish their profile in this manner and get some helpful information at the same time. Sometimes a tip of this type can be more helpful than evan a revue.

I was living in Boston and dating a girl from Philly. We'd see each other every couple of weeks.

One time she comes up, starts the kissing thing and -- oh my gosh, she tastes horrible and literally smells like a dead mouse. It is SO bad I tell her that no way am I kissing her and that something is horribly horribly wrong.

She goes to see her doctor and -- shazam -- turns out she has some sort of weird fungal infection hiding behind her tonsils that could have killed her. The only solution is to get her tonsils out because there is no systemic med that will kill the fungus.

She got lucky.

GFE does include DFK although if the person is drooling on top of you into your mouth, kissing aggressively, constantly kissing (i.e. you wouldnt expect to do one particular thing the entire session its good to give it a break and come back to it) or is quite frankly a terrible kisser the menu maybe compromised.
I am not sure who you saw or what happened; maybe this is what the advertise and not come through on with everyone but the ones who do offer this and come through on the promise are generally consistent unless the man poses a concern.
My thoughts.
Good topic!

...have enjoyed several great enhanced DFK-a-thons when food fights over mouth-shared juicy strawberries or plump succulent grapes broke out.

lucky for you it doesn't seem to have been contagious....